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Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 01:29 AM

The most underrated and forgotten....
 
.....running back.


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A 25-10 long jumper*** while at Long Beach State, his son Eric an NCAA Champion 27-8 the best ever by an NFLer to be.

Three time pro bowler.

Speaking of Eric....

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The guy returned 10 punts to score, wow!

Father/son RB's....

The Barbers
The Sanders

Brothers

Walter/Eddie Payton
Art/Benny Malone
Gale/Ron Sayers
Jewerl /Ken Thomas....a Chief

Another forgotten but great RB

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Duane Thomas his blocking back while at West Texas State, a school that has given the pro rasslin' biz about a dozen Buffalo footballers turn rasslers.

Only Jim Brown and Bobby Mitchell (Big10 sprint/hurdles champ) on a par with the thunder & lightnin' we saw with Larry Csonka & Mercury Morris.

When Jim Brown walked away from pro football for Hollywood the Browns had a punt returner named Leroy Kelly......

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***about what baseball legend Jackie Robinson jumped while at Pasadena City, his older bro Mack a 1936 Olympic 200m silver medalist.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 03:12 AM

Imagine Jim Brown at FB and this guy his RB...

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He played along side Brown for four season averaging 5.4 a carry.

He would return 3 punts and 3 kickoffs to score in his Browns days. He ran back 2 more kickoffs as a Redskins WR, a Hall of Famer.

Trivia

What RB did Paul Brown mention trading Jim Brown for?

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 05:28 AM

This guy just might be the most forgotten/lost in obscurity GREAT RB there is.


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Bob Hayes was recruited to Florida A&M by Galimore.

eDave 03-13-2020 05:37 AM

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Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 14839117)

Well considering this is you....

Suntanned my butthole this weekend. AMA.
I now understand Algebra.

.....I get how all that info must confuse ya.

You seem to have problems.

I Think I'm A Prick

Over the course of this week I've been reflecting on my behaviors and overall general attitude and emotional well being over the last few months. It's clearly declining, certainly here, and I don't like it. Not to sound like a faerie, but this site was a great find for me and has been a big part of my life for quite some time. I've made IRL friends here, I made online friends and, like it or not, you guys (and Ladies) are a part of my life. I've taken that for granted.

So this thread is not to make David feel better or anything. Rather it is to let everyone know that I recognize this and am changing course toward the David that used to be and the David I want to be.

But not before I offer apologies to anyone I may have crossed. I know there's a few.

Peace out.

~~~~~~~~~~

I just talk football, don't get all wrapped up with posters until they get funky.

RN47 03-13-2020 06:05 AM

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I think you're all overlooking Stump Mitchell, RB for the St. Louis Cardinals. Great balance, vision, and durability. Now the RB coach for the Cleveland Browns.

Put some respeck on his name.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 06:07 AM

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was out of The Citadel, he belongs in this thread! Cool first name...Lyvonia.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 06:20 AM

Staying with birds.....


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....he was out of Ball State, another forgotten stud Timmy Brown.

He was a good looking guy, had some work in Hollywood after football.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 07:25 AM

He gets forgotten....


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Same story here....


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Spott 03-13-2020 07:39 AM

I would kick your behind in the 100m dash.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 14839253)
I would kick your behind in the 100m dash.

Do you understand a 100m? This ain't the 40, here speed endurance is the key, do you get any of this?

What seperated Usain Bolt from everyone else? He spent less time decellerating, why..........come on why?

Being this thread is about running back, give me the fastest RB to ever play in the NFL (won't count Bob Hayes, he was a WR in the pros) And won't count Trindon Holliday, he was just a kick returner in the pros, which was a big mistake.

Hint

While in college he was the only NFL RB (to be) who was ever world ranked at 100m.

Ram RB Ollie Matson was world ranked at 400m, an Olympic medal will do that.

Spott 03-13-2020 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14839258)
Do you understand a 100m? This ain't the 40, here speed endurance is the key, do you get any of this?

What seperated Usain Bolt from everyone else? He spent less time decellerating, why..........come on why?

Being this thread is about running back, give me the fastest RB to ever play in the NFL (won't count Bob Hayes, he was a WR in the pros) And won't count Trindon Holliday, he was just a kick returner in the pros, which was a big mistake.

Hint

While in college he was the only NFL RB (to be) who was ever world ranked at 100m.

Ram RB Ollie Matson was world ranked at 400m, an Olympic medal will do that.

I’m unfamiliar with 100 meters. I’m new to the metric system, as well any system used for weights and measures. Is the 100m dash the event where you throw the discus with the pole fault?

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 14839330)
I’m unfamiliar with 100 meters. I’m new to the metric system, as well any system used for weights and measures. Is the 100m dash the even where you throw the discus with the pole fault?

You got it amigo:thumb:


Texas A&M's Curtis Dickey is the fastest NFL RB ever, he has ran a 10.10.

BUT...the fastest RB ever was a HS kid named Houston McTear out of Baker HS in Florida. As a junior he ran a 9.0 for yards to tie the WR. Averaged over 13 yards a carry, and here he is.


https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Tn2S7NIo6...tonQuarrie.jpg

Here he's beating the great Jamaican sprinter Don Quarrie.

Rain Man 03-13-2020 09:27 AM

I still bang the drum for James Brooks. I think he's hugely underrated in NFL history.

Among non-Chiefs, James Brooks and Kenny Easley were two guys that I thought didn't get the credit they deserved. I was delighted to see Easley go into the Hall of Fame. He was the best strong safety the NFL has ever seen.

Rasputin 03-13-2020 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14839483)
I still bang the drum for James Brooks. I think he's hugely underrated in NFL history.

Among non-Chiefs, James Brooks and Kenny Easley were two guys that I thought didn't get the credit they deserved. I was delighted to see Easley go into the Hall of Fame. He was the best strong safety the NFL has ever seen.



Kenny was Easley nominated to go into the HOF.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14839483)
I still bang the drum for James Brooks. I think he's hugely underrated in NFL history.

Among non-Chiefs, James Brooks and Kenny Easley were two guys that I thought didn't get the credit they deserved. I was delighted to see Easley go into the Hall of Fame. He was the best strong safety the NFL has ever seen.

I can't find a good video for Brooks, sucks!

I totally agree he was a stud especially for his size. Far stronger than he should have been at that size.

Kenny Easley UCLA's Ronnie Lott, the guy was a ultra stud, I need a video.

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ChiTown 03-13-2020 09:40 AM

Can't wait for the Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch thread...........

old_geezer 03-13-2020 09:41 AM

Maybe not underrated but most certainly forgotten by today's fans: Hugh McElhenny. I can remember watching this man in action for the 49ers back in the day; simply one of the best.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 14839526)
Can't wait for the Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch thread...........

It would sure beat....

The Dow is fun to watch
if you like roller coasters...........with steep dives.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old_geezer (Post 14839530)
Maybe not underrated but most certainly forgotten by today's fans: Hugh McElhenny. I can remember watching this man in action for the 49ers back in the day; simply one of the best.

Hugh "The King" McElhenny, a Cali State hurdles champion.

He is and always has been the greatest white running back, and if not for sharing carries with the great Joe Perry his numbers would have been a lot better. The guy had it all.


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Then there was "Jaguar" Jon Arnett a 24 foot long jumper at USC.

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Rausch 03-13-2020 09:51 AM

I think guys like Natrone Means, Rickey Watters, and Deuce McAlister are criminally underrated...

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PunkinDrublic 03-13-2020 09:56 AM

Jesse mutha****in Haynes! Don’t argue with me, you’re wrong!

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 14839550)
I think guys like Natrone Means, Rickey Watters, and Deuce McAlister are criminally underrated...

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I agree with Watters and McAllister but,....Means only average 3.7 a carry for his career, and only had one season where he averaged 4,0.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 14839565)
Jesse mutha****in Haynes! Don’t argue with me, you’re wrong!

Who?

PunkinDrublic 03-13-2020 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14839569)
Who?

Training camp legend from Northern Iowa that was all hype in Chiefs training camp back in the day.

Anyway I hate to give credit to a donk but Sammy Winder. The name alone makes you think of a guy with a bunch of spin moves.

ChiTown 03-13-2020 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 14839565)
Jesse mutha****in Haynes! Don’t argue with me, you’re wrong!

Brian Shay would like a word............

Kman34 03-13-2020 10:07 AM

Bobby Sippio

Coyote 03-13-2020 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 14839565)
Jesse mutha****in Haynes! Don’t argue with me, you’re wrong!


Bearcats (whatever that is) no.2 all time single season rusher. I always thought his signing was some kind of local marketing.

https://bearcatsports.com/sports/201...rds.aspx?id=10

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 14839577)
Training camp legend from Northern Iowa that was all hype in Chiefs training camp back in the day.

Anyway I hate to give credit to a donk but Sammy Winder. The name alone makes you think of a guy with a bunch of spin moves.

Winder never had one season where he averaged over 3.9. But, he was tuff!

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14839586)
Bobby Sippio

This is hard to believe.

Sippio 's history

Peoria Pirates (2002)
Greensboro Prowlers (2004)
Dallas Desperados (2004)
Miami Dolphins (2004)
Dallas Desperados (2005)
Tampa Bay Storm (2006)
Chicago Rush (2006–2007)
Kansas City Chiefs (2007)
Chicago Slaughter (2009)
Detroit Lions (2009)*
California Redwoods (2009)*
Florida Tuskers (2009)
Orlando Predators (2010–2012)

Rain Man 03-13-2020 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14839521)
I can't find a good video for Brooks, sucks!

I totally agree he was a stud especially for his size. Far stronger than he should have been at that size.

Kenny Easley UCLA's Ronnie Lott, the guy was a ultra stud, I need a video.

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That highlight reel shows his interceptions, but I don't think that was his real strength. He destroyed receivers. I think he prevented a lot of receptions due to the intimidation factor of knowing he was going to blow you up.

Rain Man 03-13-2020 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14839616)
This is hard to believe.

Sippio 's history

Peoria Pirates (2002)
Greensboro Prowlers (2004)
Dallas Desperados (2004)
Miami Dolphins (2004)
Dallas Desperados (2005)
Tampa Bay Storm (2006)
Chicago Rush (2006–2007)
Kansas City Chiefs (2007)
Chicago Slaughter (2009)
Detroit Lions (2009)*
California Redwoods (2009)*
Florida Tuskers (2009)
Orlando Predators (2010–2012)

If not for the attempted murder charges, he might still be playing.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14839618)
That highlight reel shows his interceptions, but I don't think that was his real strength. He destroyed receivers. I think he prevented a lot of receptions due to the intimidation factor of knowing he was going to blow you up.

This fits him better....


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Coyote 03-13-2020 10:32 AM

Marion Butts.
Plus the chargers guys just had great names (Natrone Means, Marion Butts) in the AFCW era of big backs. I used to go to their games and always hated what they did to us. Then have to listen to “Hacksaw” all week on sports radio 610.

JohnnyHammersticks 03-13-2020 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 14839330)
I’m unfamiliar with 100 meters. I’m new to the metric system, as well any system used for weights and measures. Is the 100m dash the even where you throw the discus with the pole fault?

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This is one of my favorite posts in CP history!! Well done, sir! :bravo:

JohnnyHammersticks 03-13-2020 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14839586)
Bobby Sippio

You're my new spirit animal.

cripple creek 03-13-2020 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell (Post 14839521)
I can't find a good video for Brooks, sucks!

I totally agree he was a stud especially for his size. Far stronger than he should have been at that size.

Kenny Easley UCLA's Ronnie Lott, the guy was a ultra stud, I need a video.

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Ronnie lott's a football life is on youtube

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 14839626)
Marion Butts.
Plus the chargers guys just had great names (Natrone Means, Marion Butts) in the AFCW era of big backs. I used to go to their games and always hated what they did to us. Then have to listen to “Hacksaw” all week on sports radio 610.

6-1 248 pounds? Butts wasn't that big or was he?

Gotta love...BUTTS~~~ GRRRRR!!!!

A legit banger.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 05:08 PM

Trivia what AFL fullback

scored

rushing
receiving
passing
punt ret
KO ret
xtra point
FG

?

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cripple creek (Post 14840434)
Ronnie lott's a football life is on youtube

Seen it but thanks:thumb:

Just think the Niners have had Hall of Famers

Ronnie Lott
Rod Woodson
Deion Sanders
Jim Johnson

....in their D backfield, wow!

srvy 03-13-2020 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 14839626)
Marion Butts.
Plus the chargers guys just had great names (Natrone Means, Marion Butts) in the AFCW era of big backs. I used to go to their games and always hated what they did to us. Then have to listen to “Hacksaw” all week on sports radio 610.

They would brutalize with big backs then Finnish you with Big Rod Bernstine.

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 14840804)
They would brutalize with big backs then Finnish you with Big Rod Bernstine.

Converted TE,

srvy 03-13-2020 06:34 PM

Yep

srvy 03-13-2020 06:52 PM

MacArthur "Truck" Lane loved that guy he personified Marty Schottenheimer type back. Truck started as a linebacker switched to running back and played with the mentality of a linebacker. He would take you straight up and on usually dealing the Pain. Probably the toughest RB the chiefs ever had. He ran for 144 yards at age 36 for chiefs in a 1978 playoff loss to the Bills. Still a record in NFL for oldest player running for most years in a playoff game.

Jewish Rabbi 03-13-2020 06:53 PM

Billy White Shoes Johnson

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 14840837)
MacArthur "Truck" Lane loved that guy he personified Marty Schottenheimer type back. Truck started as a linebacker switched to running back and played with the mentality of a linebacker. He would take you straight up and on usually dealing the Pain. Probably the toughest RB the chiefs ever had. He ran for 144 yards at age 36 for chiefs in a 1978 playoff loss to the Bills. Still a record in NFL for oldest player running for most years in a playoff game.

He had his best season as a St.Louis Card, then a few decent seasons as a Packer before.....


https://www.footballcardgallery.com/...rthur_Lane.jpg

Ubeja Vontell 03-13-2020 07:49 PM

Then there was.....


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Tommy Mason


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carcosa 03-13-2020 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 14839586)
Bobby Sippio

THIS!!!!!!


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