Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League
 

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

great post....i trust mr veach

We need to keep Jones.

I don't know if we can swing highest paid in the league though...

CBA or no new CBA, he’s not worth that.

And I love Jones.

Then can we expect to draft an entire new set of CBs between now and the start of the 2021 season?

Because we ain't re-signing Breeland or Fuller, and Ward's deal is up after this season-- we ain't extending him, either.

If Veach decides to do it, I’d trust him.

I wouldn’t but Justin Houston ruined that for me.

I think once you find your QB- you don’t want to fall in love with any other player and over pay.

Can you get a draft pick or two plus free up some money to shore up LB, CB, IOL by trading Jones? If yes then you trade Jones if he’s not willing to take a Dynasty deal

I hope we can make it work! Chris Jones is a rare player, not too many inside lineman can do what he can do. Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins are the only two other players that I can think of.

But Veach is the best GM and he'll make the right call.

At the same time, we won the Superbowl with those guys, after an off-season where everyone was in panic more over who our corners were going to be. You remember, we definitely weren't going to.win a title because our secondary sucked. So I think I might be okay with a similar approach in 2020, just pull guys off the heap wherever you can and make it work.

Correct me if I am wrong but did the Patriots ever come even somewhat close to making a player highest paid defender in the league during their run?

The only way you screw Mahomes over is by signing an absolutely horrid long-term deal or two. Jones is an unreal player but if he is demanding that kind of money I'd prefer to take the draft capital and extra cap space and move on. It's a risky move as Mahomes is getting ready to enter his prime. He isnt Khalil Mack.

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He's more important than Khalil Mack. Edge rushers are pretty damn easy to find, but what Jones does is close to impossible to replicate. Inside pressure is so important and helps the edge rushers immensely as it keeps the QB from stepping up.

Im pretty sure the Chiefs are partially to blame for his knee being ****ed up worse than what it should have been. That always gets ignored.

This is what happened after the last CBA. Teams had more money to spend, so they paid more for top talent. Contracts get bigger and bigger.

I think that as far as Justin Houston goes, he was bummed out and frustrated with having to play in broke-dick old-assed Sutton's scheme and knew that as long as Sutton was here, he was wasting his time. I think that Houston still has a bit left in the tank, and the move to Indy will spark a little life back into him.

Don’t preach the Patriot Way bullshit.

Weak division.
Proven cheaters.
Owner makes the tv contracts happen.

They’ve had their run, with asterisks I might add.

Time for the KC-Mahomes era.

In hindsight, I am glad we never got to pull the trigger on Ramsey. While I think that he is a good player, if we would have gotten him, then I don't think that there is any way we would have been able to sign Jones.

CJ is not worth Khalil Mack money. In fact, he should not make more than Tyreek. 18 million is the ceiling for him. Do a 5 year deal with $50 million guaranteed. If CJ objects, trade his ass.

What? He is worth Mack money and is better than Mack. We just won't be able to pay him what he wants.

In a league designed for parity, there is something to be learned from a two decade dynasty in terms of how to manage the cap. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah - pay your qb under the table.

God damn you are a stupid mother ****er. Post less kill yourself

Is the **** above going to get an infraction for that post?

Run along, sport.

CJ's position is one of the hardest to replace...the top 10-15 picks are littered with teams trying to find the next "Jones".

It's not a glamour position...so fans undervalue it.

It should be a top priority to keep him...should have been SB MVP. He took over when it mattered most...that's what you want to see from your high money players.

If they were to move him...they will be trying to replace him with whatever compensation they get. That has to factor into the cost...draft capital, the new player's salary...and the risk that he might suck.

Keep him and draft DB/LB...he's a proven commodity.

We've had a run on DL they haven't all panned out like we expected them too so just for that Chis Jones is worth keeping however Veach can make it work. I hope we can get a deal done and I wouldn't want play against him if we let him walk no way.

Sign him and possibly restructure his deal later if we have too but he needs remain a Chief.

Lmao, probably need to find a cold place soon. Fragile snowflakes dont do well in the heat.

You have to be borderline reeruned because you're post does break one of the big rules. Filter evasion is a big no no. Tool bag

Die in Aids Fire ****

No. Telling somebody to kill himself is totally cool here, unless you have a thread about being deeply depressed. Then it could be cause for a ban.

But putting a period between a bad word is always against the rules.

Mods are going to skull **** you for filter evasion.


Get ready for the pain junior.

I've come to the conclusion he's replaceable. Veach has shown he can identify talent in the draft. Pennel made more of a difference than Jones last year. If we can trade him for a 2nd and third or a 2nd in both 2020 and 21 to a team drafting top 10 I say do it.

How about detroit. Patricia would love having Jones.

So calling another forum member in a completely unprovoked manner "a stupid mother****er" and "kill yourself" is cool? Some of you here sure do have some strange logic. There was nothing cool or funny about what he wrote. And he doesn't have testicles big enough to say shit like that to me in person because he would not like the outcome.

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Is he worth that? No. Can we afford to lose him? NO! Sign him and continue to hit home runs in the draft.

Welcome to Chiefs Planet.

How old do you think the world is?

Just spell it out. We have filters on here for those that don't want to see that kind of language.

And no, no infraction. It's kind of a ChiefsPlanet thing for better or worse.

Oh yeah this place is different than any other on the internet. Cursing and slamming one another is a badge of honor or a show of affection. The worse the debauchery of words the better.

You post a dumb opinion and wants to NOT kill yourself? How will we weed out the bad opinions?

People on here go way overboard with hateful words. Die of aids and kill yourself should banable offenses. Mods should punish. I got suspened for less.

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Aww we have a snowflake here

If you’re talking about run defense than yes Pennel was better but overall no one comes close to Jones. We don’t win the super bowl without him. He had 4 batted balls in the most crucial spots. He is on the same level as Donald

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Mack pulled two firsts and a third. Jones is a helluva player but there's no chance he pulls that compensation.
How the Bears GM still has a job is beyond me. Raiders bent them over with that trade.

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Not everybody can be the highest paid at their position. Hill, Clark, and Mathieu account for $56.5 million of next years cap. If you give Mahomes his extension, we're in the low to mid 90's. How competent do you want the remaining 48 players? IMO... Trade Jones and use the draft picks to add talent on rookie contracts.

A Frank Clark GIF.(or is it meme) "I smell blood in the water" might fit here

Exactly. We can't give him what he wants and field another SB team in the next few years, it's that simple. Get some high picks is the best we can do.

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This is filter evasion. It’s bannable. This is your warning

Oh snap! Gett'em!

Dude im totally not the gay one! He is the one that's gonna be getting his dick sucked by a guy. ****ing bundle of sticks.

Mahomes will not count for 40 mil against the cap next year. I swear these CP capologists crack me up at times

I would say that to you in person because I could kick your ass!!!!!

You're reeruned. 5/50 million would be an insult.

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This.

I hope we keep Jones, and I know we'd have to pay him north of 18 million/year to have a chance at it, but he's worth it. Just look at how many teams over the last ten years gave away their pass-rushing DT thinking "we'll just replace his production through the draft," and see how that turned out for them. One of the more recent examples I can think of is ARI trading Calais Campbell four years ago. They still haven't replaced him. And the league is literally littered with teams that had the same idea of replacing their goo-to-great pass-rushing DT through the draft, and it's almost never worked out.

And people always seem to forget that part of the equation is recognition. The entire league knows who Chris Jones is. And every OC is scared of him. They design their game plans around him. None of the other DTs we have are remotely as effective when it comes to altering opposing offensive plans. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Chris Jones single-handedly is the most dangerous defender on the team in the minds of all of our opponents' OCs.

That right there makes him worth his weight in gold.

I think you need to check your comprehension. That was just the years and guaranteed. Not the total $$$ of the contract.

Ah, so it seems. What was the total then? I can't seem to find it.

And what was Clark guaranteed?

He said $18m max and 5 years, So I am guessing $90m.

Frank got $105.5m and $63.5m guaranteed. I am guessing an offer less than what Clark got would be a no go, even though they play different positions.

my opinion, which isn't going to be popular, but I think we should actively try and trade the guy.

Look, and I may be wrong, heck I hope I am wrong, but I think he has a great personality and when he wants to turn it on he can. But sometimes he just disappears for games or makes a play here and there, and other times he can really stand out.

Issue I have is that I'm not sure he is the type of guy who is effected by money in this regard. Will he put forth the same effort, will he be as dominate or more so in the coming years compared to what he was before, and last do we miss out on a couple of decent players that we will miss having him under such a big contract.

All of these things make me want to trade him. This is for the right price, but I would be happy with a 1st and 2nd and call it a day. I have faith in Brett and feel good about having two 1's, two 2's a 3,4 and 5 that we can get some very nice players in here along with signing a few more players we already have or above average FA and have a very solid, if not better team.

Again, I am 100% in the camp of trading for all those reasons but if I'm wrong, they keep him and he becomes even better, and we win another SB? Well then I'll be glad I'm wrong.

pay jones whatever he wants. he's the 2nd best player on the team.

I seem to remember us breaking the bank for Houston. Got **** all in return for that money.

I remember when we couldn't just let Berry leave and *gasp* do something like sign with the Faid or Donks and gave that stupid ****ing contract because he was so important, and again, got DICK in return. We are STILL eating that weak willed ****s dead money.

Frank Clark already has a stupid contract. Now people want to tie up 200 million on the d line.

Why can we pay Jones **** you money? We can. We just shouldn't.

Outside of Patrick Mahomes, who is the one player who can most directly affect the outcome of any given game, huge contracts are ****ing stupid.

You limit your roster depth quality, and you basically are ****ed if another Berry situation happens. I dont know about everyone else, but I LOVE giving up cap space to a guy who isnt even on an nfl roster.

The Chiefs will be fine without Chris Jones, should that outcome end up as the final result.

No one player, outside of Patrick Mahomes, the best player on the God damn planet, is worth limiting roster depth quality with a massive contract. Especially when an iffy deal has already been given to Frank Clark on that d line.

Unless those guys can bat down every ****ing ball at the line, we need players to cover, and tackle.

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I say cash in on a lot of high draft picks for the future to your point about creating a quality depth roster as well as a solid starting roster. You are correct we will be fine without Chris. How many DL in the past who "got their $$" ever returned that same value in play? I can only think of one and that was Reggie White. You rarely ever get back what you paid and more often than not that motor starts to sputter big time after they get paid.

If anyone is willing to give a top 20 pick this year and a third I’m all ears. I love the guy but we need corners, IOL, LBers and much more.

What is so god damn hard for some of you people to understand that in a couple of years the cap is going to go up a shit ton and you are able to structure these deals so that the cap hits stay below $15 mil for 2 seasons and then have his cap hits raise as soon as the cap jumps up because of the new tv deals. Just because an average salary is $23 mil does not mean that's what your cap hit is. Why is this constantly ignored?

Frank Clark ended the season with 13 total sacks, 5 in the playoffs, ended every playoff game with a sack, 5 TFLs in the playoffs, 7 QB hits, and I don't know how many QB pressures, culminating in a Super Bowl win for the Chiefs. Pretty sure any reasonable person would conclude that Frank's contract was money well-spent.

And when considering that he was hurt for most of the first half of the season and only started 11 games, but still notched 8 regular season sacks, it's pretty obvious that Clark was worth his "stupid contract."

And as for DLs/DEs that got paid and lived up to their contract, Aaron Donald says hi. Since getting paid, he's only notched 33 sacks and 45 TFLs in two seasons.

Calais Campbell left ARI to get paid, and in his first two years of his new contract he actually posted more sacks than in his last 4 years with ARI combined, along with higher TFL numbers and total tackles.

Veach won't kill our money paying Jones. He knows that just won't work for the team itself.

I'm certainly not desperate to trade Jones, but there is also a flaw to the reasoning: "Why do people want to trade Jones for draft picks? So you could one day pick Chris Jones? That's what we have right now!"

Not quite. What we have right now is Chris Jones on his rookie 2nd round contract. That's about to go away. We now have to pay out a contract that prevents us from being flexible in addressing other areas of the team. Yes, we have absolutely zero reason to believe that's not a good investment, but there's still the dreaded risk of injury.

It's assuming that none of our draft picks will be as good as Chris Jones, but it's also protecting against getting caught with our pants down. Which... when you have a player like Mahomes, is kind of the name of the game. In any given season where you didn't suffer catastrophic once-a-decade injury bad luck (think last year's Eagles) you're poised to tear ass through the playoffs and be in the hunt to win a Super Bowl.

Note: This is assuming we got a Kahlil Mack-like haul (hell, I'd even accept a Jared Allen-like haul) in the trade. And even then, if that were the reported offer, I wouldn't be too quick to pull the trigger, and I certainly wouldn't fault Veach for keeping Jones. Trading Jones just to not pay him is definitely a stupid idea.

Anxiety needs a roost. Should we trade Kelce now before he gets old

He's 30 now; obviously past his prime. We need to get rid of him before he needs a new contract and tanks afterwards.

For that matter Tyreek just got paid; shouldn't we be worried that he'll mail in the rest of his contract?

And Pat Mahomes . . . well obviously according to the likes of Wallsucker, we should trade him before we have to sign him to a big contract, because he'll suck afterwards. Plus, he's 25 now, and obviously athletically he can only go down from here.

Yeah, screw the others. Jones can win titles all by himself. Are you crazy?

Part of me wants to keep Jones considering how hard it is to find game changing interior D-lineman. Think of all the high draft picks we've wasted on busts like Ryan Sims, Glen Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Junior Siavii, etc.

The other part of me does knows that we could get some high draft picks for him, and not be stuck in shitty salary cap situation.

Hopefully he takes a discount. If not, he'll probably get traded to an NFC team.

Frank Clark’s deal is the line. That would make him the highest paid DT not named Aaron Donald and by a hefty amount. 2nd highest paid DT is Fletcher Cox at $17 million, about $4 million less than Frank Clark’s deal.

If Chris Jones and his agent come charging at Veach asking to be the highest paid defensive player in football, then yeah I’d start considering a trade. He isn’t either of those players.

Not saying that he’s doing that, but this is based off the OP. He absolutely should not be the highest paid defensive player.

Take Frank Clark’s deal and be happy.

Comparing Jones to Houston is stupid for the simple fact if you compare post season productivity it's not even close. The Houston deal wasn't even a bad one til he had his leg snapped in half, people forget how good that 2015 became.

The only reason you trade Jones is if you can't make the math work. A defensive front of Clark, Nnadi, Jones and perhaps you get a talented defensive end at the end of round 1 you have a defense that's just as good as the 49ers and we're not even mentioning that you have the best offense in the league, with the best QB in the league and a hall of fame coach.

I'm personally obsessed with surrounding Mahomes with weapons EARLY in his career and watching that core wreck the league but that's just me. That 2000-2010 Colts squad had HOFers in QB (Manning), RB (James), WRs (Harrison, possibly Wayne) a great TE (Clark) and one of the best centers of his era (Saturday). I was at the no punt game front and center that offense was fricken unreal.

Trade Jones for a 1st and a 2nd who knows maybe we draft Mahomes' Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne in Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III and his Edgerrin James in Swift, Dobbins, Taylor.

Jones of course may very well go on to have a HOF career and the draft picks we got for him may very well be busts. Just my opinion but you pair first round skill players with Mahomes they're not gonna be busts. James, Harrison, Wayne, Clark all first round picks for Manning.

Do you want to diversify your risk or does Veach think Jones is an all pro caliber player for the next 5-6 years? Time will tell. Good situation to be in.

You don’t trade guys like Reggie White, Michael Stephan and Chris Jones. Especially when the player wants to play his whole career in KC and has consistently said as much.

The guy is a unicorn.

It's a tough decision. On one hand the guy is a great player and you don't want to lose someone like him. You also would like to reward players who were drafted by the Chiefs and earned their big contract.

On the other hand Chiefs better do their homework because some guys lose their fire after they get paid. How competitive is Chris Jones? Plus, Chiefs have to make sure they create a good dline not a dline w Chris Jones, Frank Clark and a bunch of bums. Chiefs dline has good depth they need to keep it that way.

Hopefully Veach makes the right decision.

CJ would probably get 4/100 in FA.