Has Reid fixed what wasn’t broken?
 

Great win today. But the offense and situational manage to continues to not be good.

What’s most troubling to me is the dynamics of the offense have been pretty much reduced to a more normal level. Mahomes has really reduced his willingness lately to throw down field, especially on third down. Without breaking everything down I can’t give numbers but I think we all see Mahomes being too willing to check it down and not throw beyond the sticks on third downs given the chance. The third down check down late to Hill comes to mind. He had two options wide open right in his field of vision but didn’t go there. Sometimes he has good pockets and sometimes not, but that was the case all last season too. We haven’t protected him well with any consistent so I don’t view that as the main culprit.

So what’s the issue? Reid encouraging him to “take what the defense gives you” too much? Reid calling plays that encourage short plays too much? Mahomes not reading the field correctly? Mahomes bailing from clean pockets too often?

We just beat the Patriots.

In their house.

In December.

Has Reid fixed what wasn’t broken?
 

Well if his hand was more hurt than they let on then that certainly is a factor because I was expecting us to unleash the offense this week thinking we had been perhaps holding back lately.

Two wins in NE in three years.

Reid is special.

I'm going to hope the offense is ugly because Mahomes isn't 100% but then I remember what happened in the playoffs vs the Colts and Titans. Reid is just a soft bitch when he gets a lead.

When the Patriots were running up the score on everyone when they went 16-0 Belichick's response was "stop us." Reid needs more of that attitude but its been 20 years, it's not coming.

He's getting X-rays on his hand, he couldn't grip the ball, per Reid.

The good news could be....he has matured and when a really really good Patriots defense didn't allow people to get open he didn't bite off more than he could chew.

Devil's advocate...he's questioning himself ever since the knee injury and he's becoming a little gunshy.

We won.

Yes, it's frustrating. A schematic offensive genius. A clock management and tactical buffoon, at least at times.

That doesn't change how ugly the offense was in the 2nd half with a 2 score lead and the ball to start the half.

Mahomes has not been good lately. I think he’ll bounce back but the longer he struggles the more I’m afraid Andy might be ruining him.

Uh no Reid is still part of what is broken.

We don’t have a run game and our pass blocking is mostly atrocious

Can’t be fixed this season

Reid told Kelce to run backwards and fumble?

Reid hasn't fixed the shooting ourselves in the foot syndrome.

The big issue as of now is he’s got happy feet, no trust to stand in the pocket.

But he’s actually making things worse on him by running backwards and getting the tackles beat bad. He needs to start sliding through the B gaps if he wants to escape.

what kind of dumb **** would down vote that?

Has Reid fixed what wasn’t broken?
 

The other play that stood out live was missing Hill wide open in the end zone. That was a play where he backed out of the pocket, which didn’t look like he needed to, and threw an incompletion elsewhere that had no chance. I know it’s picky but it’s definitely something they are probably looking at as well. We just aren’t used to seeing this from the offense so I have to wonder the causes.

Just took a quick look as I suspect this might be a lot about Reid and last season his first half and second half y/a were 8.7 and 8.9 respectively. This season his second half y/a is down from basically all other situations at 7.6 with his first half being a healthy 9 y/a. So that definitely points to a trend that we’ve seen in the second half not involving nearly as much aggressive passing.

again - what kind of dumb **** would down vote that?

No. Kelce was a total dipshit on that play

papi - whoever that is :shrug:

A lot of it is Mahomes fault. I don't know whether it's the injuries or what but he's missing open players(either by making a bad throw or by not even throwing to them) a lot more than he did last year.

Pretty much. Not sure how that's on Big Andy...

the defense gave him wide open guys.

The offensive line is a problem.. they got their shit pushed in every other play... But... **** the pats.. we won..

That last third down Kelce and Watkins were open.

Mahomes needs some film study.

I don’t think this is all Reid, mahomes has happy feet, interior of the line has been awful. You seen him running backwards instead of stepping up in the pocket at times. He has 3 games to figure it out before the playoffs but confident he will.

Exactly, we won! Why be so critical and try to point out areas that need improvement? So what if your eyes are telling you that we won’t make it far into the playoffs the way we’re playing; we won. No need for Reid to fix a darn thing. He should take the week off. We won. Hell, just the euphoria of the win will guide them into the playoffs and a SB win!

When Reid wins this game in January he’s special, bottom line. Reid has always been a great regular season coach, nobody can take that from him. But these games in January are the only stains on his record and he’s failed multiple times to get over the hump. This was a big win no doubt, but until he does it in the playoffs I’ll be skeptical.

Pat's not right. Too many injuries and the OL is sub par.

Defense gets an A-
Offense gets a C-
Andy Reid's 2nd half play calling gets and F

Because of.

The defense.

This. We should've curbstomped those ****s.

Scho, you are a good dude - but you are wrong here.
Andy dialed up some awesome plays in the 2nd half:
-A wide open Tyreek in the middle of the end zone, Pat passed it up.
-He had Robinson on a post wide open MOF that he hung onto too long and threw it away.
-Had Kelce down the sideline with leverage late needing 10, but threw it short of the sticks
- Next series he checked down to Hill needing more yards but had both Watkins and Kelce crossing at levels that would have easily converted a first down.

Patrick was ultra conservative with his decision making late in the game, and he is not trusting that Oline. That is to be sure. Reiter seems to be the biggest issue right now. Schwartz was off today too....

Umm. That Pat D is like... the best in the game. Why are we acting like they're inept like the Raiders?

Because they’ve shown very little against winning teams and aren’t that good. They’ve feasted on shitty teams and lost to good ones.

I don't really blame Reid's playcalling at all. Mahomes missed wide open guys a couple times and more importantly, we were rolling down the field and were going to score and take a big lead when Kelce fumbled and flipped the game. It wasn't a 2nd half masterpiece but there were some major execution mistakes out there by the players too.

Tell us precisely how you would have changed the play-calling.

Punt block plus Kelce fumble were huge plays. Would have been a much easier win if not for those mistakes.

That 3rd down play where Hill didn't go to the sticks, for starters...

I loved that Spags was dialing up Blitzes, we also stopped NE on a couple key 3rd and 4th downs.

Watkins and Kelce were both wide open on that play. That was on Mahomes not Reid.

When King Pussy is defending Reid, he good.

All i know is Pat was around what 230 yards in the first half with a 20-7 lead.

Second half he finishes with 283 yards and scored 3 points.

The mindset ****ing changed somewhere. 50 yards passing in the second half.

Last year Pat was a ****ing gunslinger. These past 3 weeks, He's been Alex Smith.

On the deep balls, their secondary is really ****ing good.

Patriotards

**** off.

Seriously go sit on a pineapple.

So sick and tired of idiots thinking they know more than one of the best coaches in the history of the NFL

Pat threw one pass in the second half over 25 yards in the second half (IIRC), after that he threw underneath. And that ball was underthrown. Pretty sure that was because of his hand. Also, I think Reid called a lot more running plays in the second half. And he'd just gashed a Pats for 17 points in the 2nd quarter. I'm hoping whatever is wrong with Mahomes' hand is minor and that he'll be fine in a few days.

1. Not one jet sweep or using Tyreek or Hardman coming around end. Waste

2. Every run was the same up the gut

3. I can't remember one screen, either direct or misdirection in the second half.

4. Only one deep throw attempt to Tyreek in 2nd half and he was double covered. (Not Reid's fault)

I did like some of the late Mahomes passes for 5-6 yards towards the sidelines that chewed up clock and moved the chains.

Unfortunately Reid has earned a lot of the questions about his coaching that come his way. Asking the questions and discussing them doesn’t mean thinking knowing more than him. Logic failure here from you.

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Exactly!

I have noticed Reiter getting pushed back a lot lately. Perhaps it has been there all along and I didn't notice but the last two games he has been getting dominated at the LOS. :mad:

I like Reid but I thought your comments were legitimate questions. Hopefully, Reid and staff recognize this. And Reid is known as a QB whisperer so he should be able to get Mahomes playing better hopefully by the time the playoffs roll around.

Chiefs were running this motion all night. They didn't hand the ball because NE is disciplined. It was effective.

This is wrong. Watch the game.

YOU AND EVERY OTHER SECOND-GUESSING A-HOLE DOESN'T WANT ANDY TO EVER THROW SCREENS. Make up your mind. There was TONS of misdirections. Watch the game.

GUYS, IT'S THE OFFENSIVE LINE.

I keep trying to tell you.

They're not very good inside, which limits the stuff we like to do. We can't do all the pulling and trapping like we did last year, because they're getting their ass kicked. That's the stuff that opened holes for the running backs. Injuries in those spots is part of the problem, but even the starters inside aren't very good. They still do SOME, but not like before, and not nearly as effectively as when it was Morse in there.

It's also why Patrick's getting happy feet and bailing too early. Because most of the time, one of those three inside gets whipped at the snap.

Reid would be insane if he didn't change the play calling. He's doing what he has to do.

I don't know why you guys can't see it. Try this next game: just watch the line. Watch them on every play. Don't watch Patrick (hard to do I know) but watch what happens up front.

This is accurate. So accurate. The Oline ****s itself with an AIDSstick covered in antifreeze. Daily.

This is also accurate.

Is it the Alexification of Mahomes by Reid?

Even the first drive it looked like he settled for forcing a couple of underneath routes when it appeared he had some routes breaking open behind them but wouldn't take the extra beat to go after them.

Mahomes looked pretty rough yesterday. The hand was obviously a factor as he was throwing balls without the customary zip. But the decision-making was different. He's feeling a lot of pressure that isn't there.

The good news is that it's not that sort of "Derek Carr Panic" where he feels phantom pressure and quits on a play. Even when he gets jittery, he's trying to move around and find a play to make. So I don't think he's 'broken' - he's just gotten into the habit of feeling like he HAS to make something happen and can't just run the offense.

Because this idea that Reid has neutered Mahomes is asinine. There are still downfield routes that are breaking open and guys for Mahomes to attack with downfield if he'll do it. He just isn't showing as much interest in it. That's not really on Andy - it's just that Mahomes isn't feelin' it right now. Here's hoping more reps (ideally more where he isn't taking blitzing LBers into his spleen) will get him a little more confident and have him back where he started the season.

I think that's because the Pats have (had) the #1 defense in league and took away the deep stuff, so we moved the ball in the most efficient way possible against the league's #1 ranked defense.

That drive to open the 3rd chewed so much clock and wore the defense down. Despite the penalties and Kelce's miscue, we played pretty much the perfect game to beat the Pats. In their house.

No QB under the age of 25 has ever done that before. Ever.

When the interior of your OL is just getting demolished, man, I don't know what else you can do. Brady, Manning, Brees have all looked extremely mortal when their guards and centers are getting destroyed.

You've just gotta fix that.

Now, the issue with the thing yesterday, was that once you got to 23-7 against that current Pats setup, you just go into dink and dunk mode (especially with your QB hurting) and try to make the Pats go long fields to score. You can't have a blocked punt and a fumble.

That's the issues yesterday. Kelce needs to figure out that running backwards to the sideline shit isn't gonna work, catch it and get north and south and get on the ground. Go max protect and don't get a ****ing punt blocked.

The Chiefs offense and special teams did everything they could to give that one up.

Kelce is maybe running into the football mortality problems that McCoy is.

4 year ago Kelce can probably get that ball, get around a defender and drag another one forward for another 4-5 yards. He can do the kind of thing that Kittle did yesterday.

But this Kelce is a technician as much as anything. He's a brilliant route-runner who knows where he needs to be and can use his size to make things happen. He's NOT an explosive athlete at this point, especially not at this point of the season (12 games on his legs and cold weather).

He kinda needs to understand that a little bit more. McCoy gets into trouble because he tries to do things he used to be able to do and his body betrays him. Well that Kelce play was a lot like that - Trav, buddy, you're not gonna be able to do what you were trying to do there anymore man. Get your first down, hammer the guy in front of you and see if you can't push forward for another yard or two.

My dad calls it Tyreekitis. They see him do it, it works so they think "shit, I can do that".

Nah, you can't. Just make the catch, get north and south and get what you can. I think it's time to invest in a real back up TE and sadly, I think they kinda miss Harris.

I've even more so come to the realization that you are always going to have needs and holes on a team, you just have to keep drafting the best player you can and don't worry about position stuff. YOu just don't know when or where you're gonna need stuff year to year.

The reasons for the struggles on offense (in no specific order):

1) Mahomes hasn't been 100% healthy for most of the season.
2) The offense as an entire unit has rarely been 100% healthy for most of this season.
3) The offensive line has been bad. Even Fisher/Schwartz were having issues yesterday.
4) The running game has been unreliable.
5) Pass catching options not named Tyreek or Kelce have been unreliable.
6) Too many self-inflicted errors (penalties, fumbles, etc.)
7) The Chiefs have faced some really good opposing defenses this year (Faketriots #1 ranked defense, Chargers #4 ranked defense, Ravens #6 ranked defense, Denver #11 ranked defense, etc.)

while i don't disagree with your list, what are the root causes? Let's see

1) because Offensive line
2)especially the offensive line
3)yep. Offensive line
4)because offensive line is shite.
5)true.
6)lots on the offensive line.
7)true.

Just saying.

Trade up for Biadasz.

Make Scherff your free agent splash.

Get a RB or LB in round 2. Profit.

Mahomes has his fair share of missed reads as well. Missed two huge plays last night, one to Tyreek wide open post in the endzone and Kelce on a double move.

I think his hand was bothering his ability to throw with velocity.

Also, I think he's a bit skittish because OFFENSIVE LINE IS SHITE.

I was pondering about the OL during my walk today and came up with this:

We seem to have an abundance of guys on the DL rotation so why not plug one of those guys into the OL? I'm thinking khalen saunders at guard...

Flame away.