Fangio: "Drew Lock is a hard-throwing pitcher who doesn't know how to pitch yet."
 

I mean, he's not wrong. I kind of like how brutally honest he is.

Just a friendly reminder for draft media pundits to stop with the notion that any of these Drew Lock/Josh Allen/Chad Kelly hard-throwing morons are Patrick Mahomes. A: Patrick Mahomes STILL has a superior arm over all of them, and B: You need way more than just a hard-throwing arm in order to be Patrick Mahomes. Waaaaaaay more.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...uarterback-yet

Everyone said the same about Pat. Media sucks with their shit opinions.

Inaccurate college QBs don't suddenly get accurate in the NFL.

This is his HC, not the media.

I don’t blame Denver for trying with him. Of course you can’t compare Lock to Mahomes because a talent like Pat comes around on average ever 10-12 years with Rodgers being the last one before Pat.

Pat has shown me what I want in a QB in the post-Pat Chiefs era (assuming I don’t kill myself in the sadness of living in a post-Pat era), and Lock is as close to what you would normally find...Very strong arm, mobility and a willingness to be coached.

Accuracy will surely be Lock’s downfall. He just doesn’t have good touch at all on his downfield throws. Time will tell if coaching and fundamentals can help rectify that. There is however no doubt that this guy also gets nervous under duress. That’s what makes him so different than Pat, because Pat was making touch throws downfield on the run or fading away like it wasn’t a problem. I’ve also never seen a QB so confident and even tempered like Pat in high pressure situations.

Basically what I’m saying is I don’t want limited QB’s anymore in my life watching this team. The day will come when we need to replace Pat, and when we do it better be a QB with high potential and upside instead of an average retread or game manager.

There’s a reason the Packers were sniffing around him and almost took the kid.

There's no shining a muTT turd. They're just born to suck ass. Poor coaching and all too...

Can't wait to watch him fail.

Sure. Teams should definitely take those chances. But what I don't like (and what you touched on just now and also in a thread months ago) is that now every strong-armed asshole entering the draft "could be the next Patrick Mahomes!!!"

Mahomes isn't great because he's got a rocket arm. He's great because he's got a rocket arm AND HE KNOWS HOW TO USE IT CREATIVELY. That's a key ****ing component missing to all of these guys, and it's a big reason why it's an insult to Rodgers and Mahomes to say Allen and Lock are even on the same planet.

Mahomes minus his coachability, leadership, and mobility is Jay Cutler.

Mahomes minus his fearlessness in the pocket is Matt Stafford.

Mahomes minus a notch in arm strength and a few dozen IQ points is Sam Darnold.

Mahomes minus a set of testicles is Jared Goff.

And look, half of those guys I'd say are good QBs, and for sure they're better QBs than anything we've had comparatively in our history between Dawson and Mahomes. But see what happens when you take a guy and go, "He's got a live arm! He's just like Mahomes.... but he needs to work on ________"

It can still be good. You're right. Teams like Denver should definitely roll the dice on those guys. But even if you hit on them, you're not gonna get a Mahomes.

WILD THING

So basically he's Jay Cutler

Yeah, but with less talent.

If Lock really works hard- he could be the next Tyler Bray. That is his ceiling.

Will look great wearing shorts during camp, throwing long bombs, but will never be a top QB.

Flacco is nervous

1) Lock is inaccurate. That normally is not fixable

2) Flacco was benched for a rookie that doesn't throw much in Lamar Jackson.

3) Elway

4) ROFL

The Broncos suck and all their players and fans should be beaten to death with hammers!!!!

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MU QBs suck in the NFL

Looks like a mix of Josh Allen and Derek Carr.

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Wow.

There are, just, no words for that . . . . . .

This is exactly how I wanted Fangio to see Lock, because this is how I saw Lock. I wasn't wowed by his college play. He's got talent but he doesn't have everything going for him. If he did he would have been taken at the top of the draft. He doesn't and he wasn't. They took him in the 2nd round at #42 overall. That's a good pick. I had my eye on other guys but that's good value. He's in a good spot right now. He's competing for the #2QB job. The media is reporting that he has worked extensively on his footwork, playcalling, and general knowledge of the playbook. His agent was holding things up contract wise, and he told the agent that he was going to report to Training Camp on time, so the agent had better wrap things up, and it got done. A couple things have come up in the media that could have started drama and he deflated the issues and blew off the hype. So, he's doing what he needs to do.

Yep, I agree. He doesn't really suck right now .It'll take two years of Donkey coaching to ruin his attitude and get him to suck.

We'll see. The Broncos got the QB coach (Scangarello) from the 9ers to be the new OC. He did good work with the 9er QB's. The new QB coach is some dipshit named T.C. McCartney that worked under Scangarello as an 'offensive assistant/quality control' guy. Could be good, could just be the guy that gave Scang blow jobs in the office. Who knows?

I almost forgot. He said this about our first round pick TE Noah Fant:


"He’s got tools, but you know I can go into Home Depot and walk out with a bunch of nice tools and I’m not a carpenter. We have to teach him how to be a tight end in the NFL, and he’s working great at it."

I think this is exactly what Lock needs, tbh. Now the question becomes how willing is Flacco going to be to show the kid the ropes of the NFL?

Not at all. It's not his job, Lock will have to pay attention and learn by watching him.

Chase Daniel's bank account says hello.

Fangio is "Parcelling" Lock.

"Hey kid, you don't know **it about being an NFL QB regardless of your cannon. You come from a spread offense where you don't think and read defenses and the WRs are already open, therefore you are still stupid to the NFL game. So please become a student of the game. Besides, I didn't want to take you even at the 42nd spot because we have other bigger needs since we already have "Joe Sasquatch". But I'm not calling the personnel shots here like I thought so now I am stuck with your ass and you better develop."

It’s really hard to argue with this. Very well written prose as well.

Yeah. That's who Fangio reminds me of: Parcells. I like it. The 'Mile High Mafia' under my user name is a nod to Fangio.

How long will Fangio put up with Elway is what will be interesting IMHO.

Very little IMHO.

Think about it from Flacco's perspective. He was replaced by a rookie QB whose only talent is running, who can't throw, who can't read defenses, and will soon be obsolete in a few years either to injury(runs too much) or just another QB body in the massive casualty pile of physically talented QBs who refused to be a student of the game because either lack of passion or intelligence or both that DCs have eaten up over the years.

Flacco signs with the donks before the draft only to watch this happen again with a high round QB pick. And based on a lot his interviews out here that I have seen from Flacco I don't think he is going to be wanting to do much mentoring or having an apprentice at his side like the Smith/Mahomes situation. He does not want to lose his job AGAIN. But who knows?:shrug:

Drew Lock threw such a terrible pass that the Donkey’s kicker standing on the sideline caught it and returned it for a pick 6.

Garett Bolles sacking his own QB and Lock getting pick 6’d by the kicker. You can’t make this shit up ROFL

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ROFL

"There it is...there it is!" then proceeds to throw the ball 20 feet over the guy's head.

Were you one of the no-football-knowing assholes saying he'd never play on Sundays? :hmmm:

:popcorn:

ROFL

Not in my wildest dreams could I have ever made this up.

Oh yeah. And **** Donk Forever.

Somebody needs to troll the mange with this thread

If Lock is on the field this year, it’s going to be a disaster

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Good. I won't have to listen to friends weighing in on an imagined quarterback controversy when Flacco Flaccos it up out there.

As a chiefs fan I'm very excited at what the Broncos are doing at QB.

I mean... Elway is TRYING to fix the QB position. I can give him credit for that. I guess.

:D

Reid never said that about Mahomes, like bundle of sticksio is here.

:clap: ROFL

There's a reason that tiger trash did the Geno Smith shuffle right out of the first round. Such a relief that we don't have to worry about competent qb play anytime soon.

It’s almost as if Horseface’s penchant for tall, big armed, inaccurate QBs is ill advised.....

Scouting report was so accurate on this guy

Weaknesses
-Frustrating inconsistencies with accuracy and touch

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-Leaves ball behind his targets on crossers and slants

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LMAO Drew Lockweiler

He can't throw accurately, BUT he may be able to huddle the team up well - so there's that!

What in the Hell? ROFL

So uhm, is it ok to laugh?

I have no words.

DJ's Left Nut told us Lock would be a good NFL prospect lolol

My side actually hurts from laughing so hard. Who thought this was a good idea?

x1000

Lock's footwork looks awful. It is a good thing he gets a year behind the Amazing Flacco, who will take him under his wing.

I agree

I'm a Mizzou fan and hate that Lock went to Denver, so now I have to hate him. But let's not label him a bust due to the words of an idiot Donkey coach that was a D coordinator before he got hired. I also don't think using his first preseason game as evidence he is a bust is the best thing to do, remember some idiots last year saying it was a mistake to trade away Alex because Mahomes threw some picks in practice? If Luck gets good coaching he can be pretty good. He's definitely the type of guy that's very coachable and will work really hard.

I don't think it's the best idea to day your future starting QB isn't really a QB and say you expected him to suck. Especially when your veteran starting QB is Joe ****ing Flacco. I'd take ASS11 and his broken leg over Joe Flacco.

I think it might be time to face facts. No, the story is not fully written on Drew Lock, and he may come around and end up being some great QB. But here's what he's got working against him:

1. He's NOT going to get the good coaching you claim he needs. He doesn't have Alex Smith inviting him to film sessions and sitting with him on the bench when the defense is on the field. The only hope he has is this Salmonella dude at OC, whose resume boils down to, "He was Garappolo's QB coach for one season-- that was pretty good, right?" And that's one guy-- a guy who has a whole lot of other irons in the fire as OC. He's not going to get shit from his head coach.

2. You reach a certain point in your development and the brain just doesn't build the new pathways you want it to. Inaccuracy is inaccuracy. Yes, it's possible to improve something like that, but Lock has a LOT to improve. The success stories of rebuilding one's setup and turning from a largely inaccurate thrower to an accurate thrower aren't all that common. You only really see guys tweak stuff here and there. If Lock currently doesn't have his short-intermediate stuff under control by this point, I think he's kind of doomed.

3. Coachability isn't all about working hard. Hard work is great as long as you're doing things the right way. For what Lock needs to improve, he needs to do a lot of un-learning, and that's not something that hard work can always fix. It takes dedicated coaching/teaching/tutoring and DISCIPLINE to accomplish those goals. Again, I don't think Lock has the resources he needs in Denver to to help him sufficiently. Remember... Tebow was a really hard worker. Why couldn't he make shit work? He had the right attitude, the right work ethic, and the right genes. It should have been a slam dunk. What happened there?

If Lock winds up being a great starting QB, I really can't think of any other case quite like it in NFL history where a guy went from inaccurate short thrower to really good starting QB who overcame said accuracy issues. You can't even use everybody's favorite outlier Brett Favre. Favre was an idiot who came into the NFL not even knowing what nickel coverage was, but there was nothing wrong with his throwing arm.

The odds against Drew Lock are not looking all that pretty right now.

Denvers second round "steal". Lol

You can't coach the failure out of a muTT. They're born into it. It's all they know.

If Lock busts out that pretty much seals Elways fate as GM right?

Over a 2nd round QB? No. There will be a lot of other reasons his fate will be sealed.

Lock really didn't get grest coaching while at Columbia becsuse it says a lot when his best tutor was Derek ****ing Dooley.

He could turn out good with patience and a good Offensive staff. Only issues are there isn't enough natural talent to put in all that effort if I am in the Broncos spot, and that Offensive staff is well....offensive.

I was probably the most critical ones in the MU threads because I just don't think I really ever saw anything truly special, but just can't dismiss the horrible situation he came into.

To be fair since Manning how many QBs has he failed on? With that said props to him trying to find a QB where as Pioli used Cassel as his hill to die on. It will be an unpopular opinion on here but I was impressed with Denver's defense I think it will be very good and Risner did a hell of a job.

The river keeps flowing.

That's a really stupid way of looking at things. He's bungled practically every QB decision he could possibly make in his time as GM or whatever stupid ****ing Mayor McCheese title he gave himself that's not just "general manager"

1. Drafted Lynch. Nuff said on that one.

2. Took what was a good move at the time in turning a 7th round pick into a pretty good backup QB in Semen... but then farted that away when he started depending on him as a weekly starter. And when that ended up not being good enough, he threw the baby out with the bathwater and traded the best QB to play for him post-Manning, when that guy was a very valuable backup QB with lots of starting experience

3. When he decided THAT backup QB wasn't good enough he paid out the ass for another team's backup QB-- Case Keenum. Boy, the huddles never looked so good!

4. Let's go back to Lynch. In doing so, he put too much faith in that loser such that he stood pat in the following years of QBs. For what reason? I don't really know. He never gave that guy a chance to start a game, so I don't know why he couldn't see it coming much earlier. If he actually knew shit about QBs, he would have been more aggressive in drafting other guys in 2017 and 2018. But hey... Swag Kelly in the 7th round!

5. To further elaborate on #4, when he needs to draft, he trades/signs a veteran. When he needs to let things simmer, he aggressively cycles in and out of QBs worse than the noman's land years of the Cleveland Browns. And when opportunities to take ACTUALLY good QBs come his way, he all of a sudden turns into a cheapass, almost like he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And yet he'll spend $18 million per year on Case ****ing Keenum.

6. Oh, by the way... in 2017 given the choices of Semen, Lynch, Swag, and Kyle Sloter, he let Sloter walk, who has since become the primary backup in Minnesota. Swag is a 3rd stringer for the Lions, Semen is... don't know where he is, and LYNCH IS OUT OF THE LEAGUE. He let the wrong guy walk and the two guys who were his "future" ended up being worse than that guy.

I can go on, dude. There's more to elaborate on. I haven't even gotten to Flacco and Lock yet. I haven't covered Assweiler yet.

John Elway doesn't know ****ing QBs at all. He's not just 0-1 in drafting franchise guys. He hasn't made one good goddamn decision when it comes to scouting QBs in his ENTIRE STINT as Mayor McCheese of Denver. No, Manning doesn't count--- ****ing Herm could have said that would be a good idea to pursue him.

Old horse face should be giving Manning blowjob's every single day that he remains GM. If Manning would have chosen any other team, then Elway would have been fired already. He would have been ran out of time, but he absolutely lucked into a few great years from Broke Neck.

Doesn’t he also get credit for choosing Brock Osweiler to be Peyton Manning’s replacement upon retirement?

I can feel the hatred my son.

Osweiler wasn't a good draft pick either. I guess Elway had at least the good sense not to give him the contract Houston did.

Dungver - “this will be the qb that makes up for all of Elways bad decisions”

Faders - “this will be the year we finish with a record above .500”

Sharters - “this will be the season we don’t get hit with tons of injuries and Phyllis doesn’t choke”

Chiefs - “this will be the year we draft a first round qb, check. This will be the year we win a home playoff game, check. This will be the year we win the Super Bowl...”

I may be in the minority but I’d rather rely on a steady veteran QB to hold down the fort until drafting a QB that fits into the offense. Elway is flailing away with Denver’s QB choices. Every time you bring in a QB who can’t hack it you have to start all over again, coaches lose jobs, and players may or may not fit into a new scheme.

Lol, no.

Horseface was offering a big contact but Houston outbid them.

Billay is probably trolling, but whatever. Denver has FINALLY become objectively a giant dumpster fire, and it was done at the hands of Horseface himself. And what does billay do? He doesn't grave dance. He doesn't ignore them. He makes some dumbshit devil's advocate remark that frames Elway's failures in a more positive light through shitty logic.

**** that and **** his smug ass thinking he's being a smart non-homer by perpetuating that shit.

I love that Denver's golden pony is absolutely running that team into the dirt. **** those cheating bastards. Hopefully Elway gets a few more years to nosedive that franchise straight to the core of the earth.

I know we recovered very quickly from what Pioli did to us, but not many coaches can do what Andy Reid did in the amount of time he did it. Hopefully the Donks get thrown into a Raiders type of spiral and they never recover.

Isn’t this what they did by bringing in Flacco?

They have no intentions of starting Lock this year.

The guy who said Lockweiler was right on.

Fast forward to this past off season - Elway should have traded a #2 for Rosen instead of wasting it on Lockweiler.

You predicted the name of the cereal.

Nice

Rosen isn’t MAGA enough for Horseface.

I do give them credit for trying. Lynch, Osweiler and soon to be Lock suck, but at least they are actually trying to get the guy.

I hate it that this franchise went over 30 goddamn years without being serious about the position.

Thank Christ that’s over

I will also never understand how Elway can believe in drafting and developing all these QBs without ever hiring a QB-friendly head coach! Not once has he attempted to do that! Kubiak for one year. That's what he gave his QBs. That's it. He seriously thought some dipshit Dolphins DC and now the modern day NFL coaching equivalent of General Scheisskopf was good enough for any young QB who needs lots of work like Lynch and now Lock do.

He keeps hiring defensive minded guys. Yes, defensive coaches can often have good relationships with and work with young QB talent, but you're just not ever going to find that to be the case with first year head coaches. Marty got Rivers off the ground, Parcells with Bledsoe, Coughlin and Eli, Carroll with Wilson... and I'm probably missing a couple more. like, we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

About the only counterexample in the past many years where a first year defensive head coach developed with a young QB is Tomlin with Roethlisberger, and even then Roethlisberger had Cowher for a single season (though I'm not sure how much that really helped him)