Cornerbacks 2019
 

Figure we should have a thread just for this. Who you guys like? Early, mid round, etc.

There’s a big corner from Vanderbilt, Williams I think, that could be a nice target in the 2,3 round I think

Amani from Penn State and Byron Murphy are probably my favorites right now.

The kid from Georgia is intriguing to me as well. A lot of people have pumped him so I looked into it. He’s really good. I don’t know that he has the elite ceiling but I don’t really care about that in the late first.

Yea I like Joejuan Williams. In terms of day 2 guys I also like Rock Ya-Sin from Temple.

I think we go CB in the 1st though and I’d take either one of Baker, Mullen, or Murphy

I'm holding out hope for Nasir Adderley in the 1st and a CB in the 2nd.

I’m not gonna get attached to anyone. I hate when we’re picking late and the ****er I want goes off the board two picks ahead of is

Julian Love from Notre Dame? HERE are some highlights of him and I see a little Marcus Peters in his style tbh.

Baker doesn't have the elite ceiling that a couple of others do. He does however, have the highest floor IMO. There simply aren't any gaps in his game and that's why I like him so much. He's a guy that could come in and not only start, but play well, immediately.

Me too. :thumb:

If you're drafting Love....then you're basically moving Fuller to the outside and putting Love in the slot.

Fuller should stay in the slot, it’s what he’s built to do from a size and skill set perspective.

We need a corner or two with some length.

Blace Brown from Troy. Kid has all the tools, he's just a bit thin-framed. Best pure CB from a skill perspective in the draft though in my opinion. Probably a 2nd rounder due to the size thing, but would pair nicely with Adderley in 1 for those that want that to happen.

I like Clemson's Trayvon Mullen and Temple's Rock Ya-Sin. Both are tall with good speed.

I’ve said it before, but if we don’t go CB I think it’ll be safety. DB either way.

Adderly would be at the top of my list for sure.

Maybe just me but I am kind of tired of small school cornerbacks

Give be the high end big school guys

So I’m wondering how much the metrics change with Spagnuolo running the defense now?

Dorsey/Sutton always targeted 6’0 minimum height, length and a primary skill of being able to play press man. Spagnuolo is more multiple in coverage. Will he and Veach be as stubborn about measurables?

Baker is a good case study here: the dude is 5’10” at best, but he is fluid, smart, and steps up in run defend. This kid has some DAWG to him - I love his game. He lacks physical measurables that would have been non-starters for a Dorsey pick. I’m intetested to see Spagnuolo’s influence in this regard.

Personally, I’d love Deandre Baker or Byron Murphy as the Chiefs 1st round selection - can’t go wrong either route. I also am really intrigued by DE Jaylon Ferguson. I like the safety Adderly, but I’m not entirely sold he will have the impact these others will have.

Baker is listed 5’11” and it looks accurate IMO

Also, aside from Ward, all 3 of our corners last year were under 6’0”

5”10, 5”11

I don’t care about that. If he’s fluid and athletic and has good ball skills sign me up

Adderley isn't a CB so I'm not sure if you're referencing him. He was at Delaware due to academic issues. He would have played at a power 5 school but just screwed around too much.

His NFL profile has him at 5'10", 185.

The NFL Combine 40 times is a big influence of the round where cornerbacks get drafted.

Baker, Mullen, or Murphy would all be good picks for KC.

A CB I did not know about until seeing him in the Senior Bowl is a Topeka kid that played at Washburn University, Corey Ballentine. He won the Cliff Harris Award for best small school defensive player. He is 6-0, 195 and was also a kick returner and has good speed and can mirror wide receivers. If you want to watch him you can watch Senior Bowl practices, Senior Bowl, and there are a lot of Washburn games available to watch. He does make some mistakes but he is a good athlete and can recover from it. I've seen him projected as a 4th round pick which maybe we can get if we end up doing some trades.

Senior Bowl measurements for Ballentine - height 5113, weight 188, hand 9 2/8, arm 31 7/8, wingspan 76 5/8

For some reason I feel like safeties from smaller programs transition easier

I just want a corner that’s ready to go that’s not overwhelmed by the jump in competition

From the sounds of it, Baker and Murphy are quite pro ready.

Excited to see these guys test at the combine. Feels like a lot of the corners are being pushed down draft board because of questions about athleticism, but I’m looking at a lot of these guys and I just see gamers. Guys like Baker, Murphy, Amani, etc., they just look and feel like players to me. Especially in the right system.

I'm all in on Deandre Baker, because he fits Spagnolo's scheme.

I love Murphy and Baker at 29, but I think the forgotten guy is Mullen. I think he has a great combine and gets back in the conversation.

I think getting another tall cb alongside Ward might be the way to go when you consider we face those big wr's from the Chargers twice a year.

I think they'll look at Lonnie Johnson Jr from Kentucky. 29 is high for him, but he has a ton of potential, plus he played for Matt House who will know the inside scoop on him. He also had a great senior bowl and the chiefs love drafting ppl from there.

Amani Oruwariye is also another guy I hope they look at. I think murphy and baker will be long gone by 29

I don't remember where I saw it but some former NFL player did a rating on CB and S. He thought the top 6 ranked safeties would be better than what the Chiefs have and the top 7 ranked CB's would be an improvement as well. That makes me not real picky as to who the Chiefs want and if they want to trade around to get another pick or two I won't be climbing up on the window ledge.

He's a guy I think falls to the end of the 2nd. He's really long (measured 6'2" at the Senior Bowl) and would be good in a press scheme with his arm length.

Isaiah Johnson, Houston. 6'2'' 207 lbs, 33 5/8'' arms. Switched from WR to CB after sophomore year. With good coaching, he has the size, length, speed and hips to be a good fit at press man CB in a cover 3 defense. Currently rated 3-5th round pick on most boards.

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CB's all over the place so far, I've seen Baker as high as 10. I've seen Williams in the 1st and at the bottom of the 2nd, there's no consistency.

i dont see it

he is who i want the most, I think he will be the best cb

Joejuan, Amani, Ya-Sin, Johnson Jr.

One of these guys will be available in the 2nd, and that makes me feel a lot better about possibly going in a different direction at 29. Still hoping CB is BPA though.

My favorites in order:

1. Greedy Williams
2. Byron Murphy
3. Deandre Baker

Absolutely none at all.

You'll see some people with J. Williams in the early 3rd, others with him in the 1st. I've seen Baker go in the top 10 to as low as the late 30s. I think I saw Mullen slip to the 3rd and be like the 7th or 8th CB off the board. Even the consensus 'top' CB in the draft (Greedy Williams) I have seen falling into the late 20s on occasion.

I don't think anyone has a real feel for the first 8-10 CBs in this draft.

Like Staylor, the number of relatively similarly situated CBs in this draft makes me not care all that much if we don't go that route with 29. And man, it sure presents a great opportunity to double dip at the back of the round and get two bites at the apple. If we took a duo like Ya-Sin and Johnson Jr back there, you have to think at least one of them develops into the kind of immediate impact player we need.

I don't see a truly elite CB prospect in this class but I see a lot of guys who can probably help, especially over a long-enough timeline (like, by December). That's why I'm not as eager to take a high floor guy like Baker as early as many are.

I think we can make due for awhile much in the same way we did with Scandrick until Ward was ready to play. It's not a perfect spot to find yourself in, but if it yields a higher ceiling player in the 1st, I think that's the way to go. And if your 'make due' situation is Fuller/Ward out wide while someone like Smith takes lumps but learns from the slot...well again, it's not ideal but there's a silver lining there in that you at least get some player development time that may/may not bear fruit long-term. If it doesn't, c'est la vie - you still have the CB duo you drafted to tag in sometime later in the season.

we've got a #1 and 2 #2s.

I'd LOVE it if we got two CB's and a S out of that.

As we're likely to keep either Houston in a restructure OR Ford on a tag year. If we tag and trade Ford, I'd still love it, and add in a DE with Ford's pick (probably another #2) Then you could draft PBA the rest of the way and be in a really good shape.

On joejuan, Vandy Cb... Go watch the Vandy vs ole miss game and you’ll see it. He played well against their wrs. I think he could do well against big wrs but get burned by smaller ones. He’s instinctive and a leader. The nfl won’t be too much for him. He got a big int against Arkansas to help Vandy win that game. He’s a playmaker.

That's my issue with big corners and a reason I don't have Oruwariye rated any higher than I do. I'm tired of watching this team have corners that get beat by smaller receivers in the playoffs. Edelman. Brown. Etc. Give me a corner that might struggle against the few 6'4"-6'5" receivers that are actually worth a **** that I might have to roll a safety over the top of than try to compensate for corners that can't cover simple slants.

I agree with how frustrating that is. But shouldn't you be able to handle that problem with scheme and play calling? With some disguise, stunts and coverage? How many routes can these little quick guys run if they don't have all day to throw? It is very frustrating to get beat by a quick slant with edelman over and over again. But again, some of that is on scheme and play calling. A big corner that can cover a big WR one on one without help has tremendous value, especially in certain situations.

Yeah. This dude is easily a top 20 pick.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Talked to Washington CB Byron Murphy yesterday; he&#39;s read the scouting reports that are calling him too small and using &#39;em as motivation. <br><br>Per Byron, he&#39;s gone from 176 to 188 and drove his 40-yard dash time down since starting at <a href="https://twitter.com/TeamEXOS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TeamEXOS</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LFG?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LFG</a> <a href="https://t.co/uLUgpM4f2O">pic.twitter.com/uLUgpM4f2O</a></p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@PFF_AustinGayle) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_AustinGayle/status/1098255792879386624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm starting to think Byron will be the first corner taken in the draft.

Our best bet for a first round corner might be for Greedy to fall to us. I don't think Deandre will make it to us at 29 either.

If we can't get either of the three I'd be happy with trading back to 35 or so and snagging a couple extra picks in the draft....especially since there's a few mid round type guys I could see being good fits for what we're trying to do.

After last year, it would be hard for me to imagine Veach trading down. Trading up? Sure. But not trading down.

He won’t even make it within trade up range if that’s the case :(

The Patriots are the king of trading out of the first to stock up picks...it's a strategy I'd be completely fine emulating.

When you look at what they've gotten in those exchanges, it doesn't actually work worth a damn. Hasn't worked well for the Seahawks either and they're probably the 2nd most prone to it.

There's a saying in warfare - "Quantity has a quality all it's own..." It works in that context - throwing bodies at the problem can be fantastic if you're trying to take out a pillbox.

But in the NFL draft, you take the best available prospect 100 times out of 100. Trading out of the 1st to pick up an extra 4th and a 6th is a good way to ensure that you end up with a bunch of mediocrity jam packed on a roster that needs immediate contributors.

If all those CBs come off the board, there are going to be 1st round caliber TEs or DLs available, take one of those, lock up the 5th year option and be happy.

If there were literally no one there I wanted, I'd trade the pick to someone else for a current player before I just traded back.

If there's a guy you'd take at 35, just take him at 29 and get the option.

That's why Staylor goes round and round with me on the Chris Jones thing. I said I thought he was probably a middle of the 2nd round guy because I worried about his motor and pad level (said that pre-draft). But I said after we got absolute shit back in return for the trade down that if their plan was always to take Jones, they'd have been better served staying where they were and just taking him in the 1st to get the 5th year option.

There's just no sensible situation where you find yourself saying "oh, well this guy is worth the 35th pick but he's NOT worth the 29...." The difference there is one of personal preference only and everyone's draft board is different than yours. Brett Veach is not the god of player value - they're all just haggling in the margins at that point. Just take the guy and get your 5th year. Don't try to tell me that your prospectin' skills are so refined, so precise and so fine tuned that you KNOW a guy taken at 29 is a reach but by 35 he's a good guy to get. That's just silly and doesn't pass a basic sniff test.

And besides, did everyone already forget about ol' Spithood Siavii? Good ol' King Karl is sitting there at 30 with an eye on Igor Olshanski. He is dead certain he'll still be there a few picks later and gets exactly the same return that EVERYONE gets at the back of the 1st to trade down a few spots - a 4th and a 6th (it's always a 4th and a 6th). Well more accurately, a 4th in that draft and a 5th in the following draft; whatever, same difference.

Igor Olshansky goes one pick before us and we take that ****ing mongoloid reerun Junior Siavii who never starts a game for us. And with our glorious 4th rounder and next years 5th we get Samie friggen Parker and Alfonso Hodge. I'm not sure Hodge even made the team out of camp and Parker...well what needs be said about Samie Parker?

Olshansky went on to have a damn nice, long productive career.

Trading out of the 1st is almost invariably a poor decision.

I'll stick with Belichick's strategy over some dude on a message board.

Here's a pretty good break down of the draft deals the Patriots have made during Bill's time in NE.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/4/...bill-belichick

DJ, Let’s be real you didn’t like Jones either way

Lol I definitely agree they should’ve just taken him in the 1st though. That 5th year option would be nice right about now.

And yea no trade downs unless we rob somebody

I can't imagine Veach trading down. He could definitely trade up, as he did more than once last year. But I don't see him trading down.

I wouldn't mind seeing them target D'Squarius Green Jr. from Notre Dame with one their third round picks. He lit up the East-West Game, and will likely get a combine invite.

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