Xavien Howard?
 

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Says he’s looking to soon become a top paid corner. No thanks...

We can find a cheaper, younger, and possibly better version in the draft.

Bring him in for a cook?

Yeah he only has 2019 left on his rookie deal. I’d rather get someone like Rhodes or Peterson who have contracts with reasonable money left.

Or just draft a corner rd 1.

If i'm trading that high of a pick for a player at that position, it's gonna be Ramsey.

Howard is good, but he wants big big money. Which is fine, he should he's that good.

Chiefs are gonna have to get good players cheap somewhere. Only one place to find those.

No.

Saw a mock draft that had us drafting DeAndre Baker, CB from Georgia. Don't know a thing about him.

Pretty much the ideal combination of BPA and need.

He’s a top 20 talent that has a realistic shot of making it to 29.

So I was looking for a good draft profile on Baker to copy & paste for Icarus and found this. :Lin:

https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/24/lil-w...efensive-back/

Who the **** cares?

Well I hope he falls to us if he's that talented.

I do. I don't like Lil Wayne at all. I'm glad he's an entrepreneur but I'm not ever sure it's a good idea for a professional athlete to be represented by someone that is not only open, but proud, of their illegal drug use.

Dude you’re really overthinking this. Lil Wayne isn’t going to actually be his agent lol.

I never said he was. I don't want a guy like Lil Wayne anywhere near my team or its players. It's just one of my "things". You don't have to agree but I don't like it.

I don't like Lil Wayne, Jay Z, or any of those guys being involved in the lives of young men that have enough troubles and temptation already.

You realize there are a lot of athletes signed to this agency, right? Hardly any are bad character guys.

Plenty of Pats players too, including McCourtey.

Yeah, I do. I still don't like it. Like I said, it's one of my "things".

OR you could see it as men that went through the similar troubles and temptations that they did and made it out on top as a success. Some white frat kid from Scottsdale has no idea what their lives were like and how to communicate with them on a personal level. Saying you don't want one of these men near Jay-Z because he had a bad past is stupid considering the man built his music career into a billion dollar company.

Yes, lil Wayne is a weird little goblin thing, but it isn't like he is going to be personally handling negotiations. He owns the agency that will manage the kids, and he gets a cut of the profits.

I don't expect you to understand and it's not worth fighting about here.

We need to draft and develop our own Howard that cost a whole lot less for 4 or 5 years.

Yep. Previous conversation aside, Baker would be a good get if he lasts to 29.

I'm not fighting with you. I'm pointing at that some of your "things" might possibly be stupid to be upset about. I'm curious what other "things" upset you.

I'm not "upset". I have a fundamental, philosophical disagreement with the way men like Lil Wayne live their lives and the impact that it has on young people.

That's all. Like I said, this isn't the place for it so I'm not going to comment further.

I'm markedly terrible at evaluating cornerbacks so I haven't looked at all.

Seems pretty good to me. After just a glance, anyway.

11 interceptions in last 17 games.

Intercepted Luck twice in a game in week 16.
Intercepted Carr twice early in the year.

6’1 192

I guess it depends on what Miami would want back and how we could structure the deal to make the most sense, if we would look into trading for him. Veach tried signing Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet where he eventually signed for 14m per...so he’s looking for an elite corner to add to this defense.

We NEED ballhawks and Howard is one of the best.

Move a 2 for Howard...that’s basically trading Peters for Howard. Sign Earl Thomas to a fair deal.

Draft a good #2 TE and defense the rest of the way and this team is going to be very very good.

It’s not easy to do when you’re watching regular game footage.

I think Baker is a good one though.

They're not going to have anywhere close to that type of money.

In before BossChiefs magical cap resuscitation starts. :D

He seems to me to be maybe a little lower ceiling than some of the others but a MUCH higher floor. There just doesn't seem to be any gaps in his game, he's good at everything.

I think they need to draft one and potentially trade for one.

If you could trade for a legit corner without having to use the first this year, that would be nice.

Exactly. Mullen for example has more upside, but not enough to make up for the difference in floors.

I guess if I had to nitpick, he seems a little on the small side to me but he's built well and is very fluid in his play.

Tag and trade Ford for a 2nd round pick and 2020 pick.
Houston takes a pay cut.
Trade a 2nd to the Vikings for Trae Waynes.
Draft Nassir Adderley at the bottom of the 1st round.
Draft Oshane Ximines, DE and Amani Oruwariye, CB in the 2nd round.

That would be awesome. I'm not sure Oruwariye lasts that long though.

Why do you think that?

According to OTC, KC has 36m to play with if we don’t cut/restructure anyone.

The first year cap hit for Kyle Fuller (signed for 14m per) was 6.5m.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was 10m and he’s similar in age to Earl.

Veach is going to go all in this offseason.

By the time the bigger $ years kick in, Berry and Houston will be gone.

Yeah...he'll probably go higher than that. Until then....I'll continue to dream about having a defense where I can't pronounce a player's name.

I could go into all the math but it's easier to just say this:

Howard wants to be the highest paid CB in the game. Acquiring him and doing everything else you want to do isn't going to happen.

And that's the rub. A bunch of us want to trade for Howard...or Ramsey...or Peterson. Two of those are going to require a new deal and the other one is going to get here and already be getting paid a bunch of money.

Chiefs have around 24m not 36 that 36 number is before any 2018 year end Bonuses kick in.

$14M of which will be tied up in Ford until he's traded or signed. There's a very good chance neither happens, at least not quickly, so now they have $10M.

Some of you really underestimate how far cap dollars go and how Reid/Veach look at 3 year windows in terms of the cap. KC uses signing bonuses to lower the first year cap hit significantly and they tried to sign Kyle Fuller last year and also tried trading for Landon Collins during the season.

You are underestimating the significance of the moves Veach is going to make to bolster this roster.

That’s also before anything is done with current contracts.

True

Cutting Sorensen, Ragland and Murray saves $3.5 million.

If I traded for Ramsey, I wouldn't worry about a long term deal for a while.

You'd have him for a year on his current deal, the 5th year option, then a tag.

Then you could let him walk and get the pick for him or tag and trade him.

Apparently he had a subpar Senior Bowl week, and knowing that, he may not go all that high.

It would be ****ing awesome to pick him up in R2.

A Ramsey trade sounds fun and awesome, but I just don’t see how it’s feasible.

KC is going to make Hill, Mahomes, and Jones some of the highest paid players in the whole league in the next 1-2 years. You’d have to do the same for Ramsey. I just don’t think it’s doable.

Maybe they push their chips in for 2019/2020 and don’t extend him, but I doubt it given what they’d have to trade for him.

Why though? You could have the best CB in the game for 3 years without having to give him a long term deal.

You've got the franchise tag, use it.

Jalen doesn’t seem like the type of guy you want to be tagging more than once, if that. He’s a diva.

Granted they wouldn’t have to tag him until 2021.

Wouldn't that be the actual type of player you would want to tag?

Look at Bell. Ramsey might do that same exact thing.

But beyond all that, just how much would it take to trade for Ramsey? Because if it’s anywhere close to what it took to get Mack, no thanks

It’s one thing to trade for Ramsey if you get some draft help back for Ford, but still. How much are you willing to give up for Ramsey?

Here’s a hypothetical that I may be able to get behind:

Ramsey to KC for a 2019 1st, 2019 3rd, and 2020 4th

Ford to Team X for 2019 2nd and 2019 4th

Seems plausible.

If you could somehow pull the Packers 1st round pick (from the Saints) for Ford.....I'd do that shit in a heartbeat.

I don’t know if it’s going to be Howard, Ramsey or Peterson (or somebody else) but Veach is going to go get a top tier corner and a mid to top tier safety to add to this team.

**** no!

Do people not understand we need those draft picks to manage the cap? Which is especially important when you are going to have the highest paid player under contact for the next decade?

You still have three 2nds in that scenario.

I get what you’re saying but if Reid is really seeing this 2019 season as ‘Super Bowl or bust’ (according to Nate Taylor’s article), then a trade for the best corner in the league has to be on the table.

Mahomes will be the highest paid until it’s someone else’s turn at QB. That’s just how it goes.

Trading high draft picks and then having to shell out a big contract is the stupidest thing a team could do.

I see Veach restructuring Houston to make 11-12m in cap space this year and using that $ to sign a top tier corner or safety.

Then, next year asking Houston to sign a new deal similar to Suggs deal to finish his career in KC.

Ramsey has his 4th year and 5th year option still on his contract. That’s two years before you even have to consider a tag.

If Mahomes signs a 5 year $200M contract, guess what Watson and Mayfield’s agents are gonna say? Give me $205M. Or whatever.

And they’ll get it because if they hit the open market someone will pay even more.

And you want to give up three draft picks for a guy with an attitude problem


It’s the multiple picks we can’t tolerate

Another one to watch is Xavier Rhodes, he can probably be had cheaper since Minnesota has so many high picks invested in CBs and needs to shed money just to keep Trae Waynes.

But last I heard Rhodes was going on the block.

If we can get Ramsey for a 1st and 3rd, that’s a steal.

He’s an elite CB1 that shuts down the best WRs in the game, routinely. He’s also cost controlled for 2 years on the cheap.

You and I usually see eye to eye on things, but I think you’re underrating the impact an elite CB like him would make to our defense

I’ll take a hard pass on Rhodes. He’s almost 29 and is overrated.

This is what I’m looking at.

Ramsey is a game changer. Basically a lockdown corner.

I’d flip a 1 and 3 for Ramsey or PP in a heartbeat. Both would be great moves and would immediately impact the defense in a huge way

That’s why I like Xavier Rhodes. The Chiefs could trade a 2nd for him and his contract is very reasonable. His contract runs through 2022 but we could cut him in 2021 for only $2.4 million in dead money while gaining $25 million back in the last 2 years.

Mahomes deal is most likely going to be back loaded, so I don’t expect him to be a problem in this scenario.

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I’d probably top out at giving up a 2 for Howard.

We'd only be on the hook for his base salary....so there shouldn't be any dead money that we would have to worry about.

I'm not underestimating anything. You were talking about signing Xavien Howard AND Earl Thomas.

They're not signing Xavien Howard AND anybody. He wants to be the highest paid CB in the league. And yes, they can prorate bonuses and all that (which all teams do BTW) but it isn't going to lessen the blow. Signing Xavien Howard isn't going to happen.

Yeah you’re right. Even better. I mean come on.

$13.4 million next year and $12.9 million in 2020 with an easy way out (with no consequences) in 2021 or 2022 for a talent like Xavier Rhodes?

Yeah. If we trade for anybody, this is the guy.

He’s very overrated though.

Not in any way a shutdown corner.

In 6 years, he has 10 interceptions and 2 ffs.

He’s a better option than re-signing Nelson...but not by much.

Howard is trash

Rhodes is actually pretty good, he's not a playmaker, he's a solid guy who does his job, something we need.

And with how badly the Vikings need the cap relief you might be able to get him for peanuts.

the game I went to in Atlanta - Rhodes shut down Julio - Jones had maybe one catch - MAYbe!

yes - would love to have him.

Like a 3rd for Rhodes?

i really think we're going to roll our own here, guys.

For FA signings, I'd look at DE's and perhaps a SAM LB.

this was the same week - after mid-season that we lost to NYJ w/ Alex at QB.

I do too. I think they're going to look for a #1 CB at the top end of the draft. FA CB's will be supplementary guys like GASP Orlando Scandrick...