Ron Torbort should be fired
 

Atrocious job by Torbort and his crew today:

- Atrocious spots of the ball
- Missed holdings on Browns receivers in red zone
- Dee Ford strip sack and recovery taken away on a clean play nobody flagged
- Chiefs decline Cleveland penalty, CLOCK SHOULD BE RUNNING. Torbort ****s up and misinterprets situation moving Chiefs out of FG range and costing them a timeout.

Quit propping up shit franchises NFL. Browns made their own bed. They best lie in it.

Horrible.

Maybe Mahomes needs to do what Adam Sandler did to the ref in The Longest Yard.

****ing atrocious

We should have had the ball at their 45 with a minute left up 21-9.

These guys suck so bad they make Triplette look competent.

When they showed the replay of the Dee Ford play, there was a flag just on the defensive side of the LOS. No clue what the penalty was, but at least the flag was there after the snap.

The announcers were saying they never saw a flag. Still doesn't mean whatever the call was was the right call.

That Bubba from Forrest Gump mother****er should never be allowed on a football field again.

The worst culprit was the female ref, she was on the Browns sideline and nearly all of the penalties on the Chiefs came from her.

Hitchens tackles a guy. Gets kicked. Hitchens takes a swing and gets caught.
Flag Hitch.

FU REFS.

I haven't felt true, white hot, wrathful hate for an official in a long time.

But I felt it today.

Thank god Mahomes can beat a defense and the refs.

Yeah, but he didn’t even take a swing. He just knocked the ball out of the guy’s hand, which I’ve seen several players do without consequence. Just stupid.

THIS. I'd be breaking shit had those bent ****s cost us the game.

And that bitch ref should stick to baking and sucking dicks.

4th and forever to 1st and goal/half the distance when both players should been reprimanded for post-play shenanigans.

Awful, awful application there.

Why do people, Trent included, say nobody was flagged on Ford's sack/fumble. Ford was flagged. You can clearly see the LJ at the top of the screen throw the flag for a clear offsides by Ford.

Not that I disagree with the issues with this crew. Hitchens still needs to not be an idiot. The second guy always gets caught once the initial scuffle catches the refs peripheral vision.

I'll take that explanation.

It's one thing to do it against the Pats. I expect that.

But to try and **** the Chiefs when they are playing the Browns.

**** you, NFL. ****. You.

That would be nice........ :thumb:

They didn't want a blowout, that was obvious.

They only fire officials that don't honor the point spread

66 yard penalty gap in favor of the Browns today. Anyone believe that dumpster fire franchise is that disciplined? I sure don't. The game is rigged. Just more evidence of that today.

Rigged Ass Game

Very much so, it was an abomination

The kicker was the 3 penalties on one play... total abortion

And there was only 1 flag so that woman official literally saw 3 penalties at the same time..is that possible?

She was on the Browns sideline and was likely influenced by them badgering her.

They have a headset in their ear, linked to the league office in New York, and every play is scrutinized at the league office in New York...

The refs do what they're told.

They fired an idiot last week, she needs to go this week

But then again, maybe she was acting at the direction of someone higher up

I seen Joe Montana do it, I was a kid, it was at Arrowhead against either SD or Pitt and I clearly remember things weren't going so well for us early, a few holding calls etc against us and Cool Joe burned a down by sending a wake up call right the head ref's kisser.

The calls improved and we wound up coming back to win.

Wonder if there's video, I remember it like yesterday...

The Browns lead the entire NFL in sacks against. And we're to believe that they didn't commit one single offensive holding penalty today?

They won't fire her even if she's horrid because of SJW shit.

This is what happens when you play against a team that is losing its fan base.

Look how many times we got jobbed last year when that happened.

Faid, Jets, Giants, a few more.

Stupid NFL.

Just trying to keep it close for the TV audience, there was a peripheral Mahomes vs Mayfield storyline they were pushing...

That's how the NFL do.

Reid was pretty diplomatic about it after the game but basically said he knows the rule book pretty well and that they made up a new rule on the intentional grounding call at the end of the first half.

What a god awful crew. Terrible.

Well, you can't fire a woman; that's sexist.

I swear that horse face looking ref woman pulled me over and gave me a ticket one time.

Nothing about it makes any sense, anytime a team doesnt get at least one O holding call... the refs simply werent looking to call it

Likely true

#Girlpower

Clear offsides?

The sad thing is the refs flat out ****ing lied when they announced the call.

And now most people are convinced that's part of the rule.

If there is no pressure on the QB, THERE IS NO GROUNDING. PERIOD.

They were saying he snapped the ball before the play clock was started too, which was also obvious bullshit.

My allergies are flaring like a mother****er...

The intentional grounding call was correct.

1. There was on offsides penalty against the Browns on the previous play that we declined.
2. This means the game clock is stopped within 2 minutes in the first half (even if the penalty is declined).
3. You can only legally spike it when the game clock is running before the play.
4. 1 second ran off because that's how long it took Mahomes to spike it.

Er - that's assuming that #3 is actually a rule.

The announcers completely butchered that whole play and aftermath about as bad as I've ever seen.

Wrong.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

There MUST be pressure on the QB for an intentional grounding penalty to be called.

IT'S IN THE ****ING RULEBOOK

None of that shit in your post is.

THEY MADE THAT SHIT UP

*autistic screeching*

The premise of the thread doesn't work. The official was doing exactly what the NFL told him to do, which was avoid an ugly blowout right after a team fired their main coaches.

Clock was running......

Ok let's break this down. The only thing we're disputing here is #3 right?

It was definitely one of the worst officiate games I’ve seen, and that is saying a lot because the officiating in this league is so up and down and inconsistent


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Pretty sure the only time a spike is intentional grounding is if you look at a receiver first, why would you not be able to spike a ball on a clock that is stopped?

I've seen a punter do it after a team called T/O on a bad snap, that didn't draw a penalty.

The refs just didn't know what they were doing.

The game clock was not running. The refs never windmilled their arms. The clock only started when Mahomes snapped it - as it should after a penalty with less than 2 minutes left in the first half - whether declined or not.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/p...clined-penalty

I believe it's last 5 minutes of the game and last 2 minutes of the first half - same as out of bounds.

No.

Read the rule.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...nal-grounding/

That is the FIRST SENTENCE in the rulebook for intentional grounding.

Mahomes was not facing an imminent loss of yardage because of defensive pressure.

Ergo, not intentional grounding.

And then there's this:

NOWHERE in item 3 does it mention any nuance in regards to the clock spike.

THEY MADE SHIT UP ON THE SPOT TO COVER THEIR OWN DUMB FAT ASSES

https://i.imgur.com/ZagtXl5.png

Sounds like two competing confusingly worded rules.

Wrong.

That article is just citing what was said on the broadcast. WHICH IS WRONG.

IT'S NOT IN THE RULEBOOK

IT'S WRONG.

"is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time" - I guess in their minds that implies it is not legal if the game clock is not running and a spike would not save time.

There is exactly ONE mention of the term "spike" in the 2018 NFL rulebook.

It says NOTHING about "impermissible spikes" or "clock stopped"

THEY LIED

Technically after the ball was snapped the game clock was running.

We’ve all watched a million games. It’s ****ed. The official is supposed to spot the ball and wind it. What took him so long? Why do we have to get highly technical with the specifics and even the rules contradicts each other.

Let it go, because it’s been done hundreds of times in the past with no calls.

True.

Yeah if that's really the only line of the rule - that's pretty damn ambiguous and it sounds like the refs overreached. Will be interesting to see if the league clarifies.

you'd overreach too if you were trying to cover your dumb ass in front of 80,000 people

That's the confusing part. As soon as the ball is snapped, the clock is running, therefore you can spike the ball

There were not 80,000 people in that stadium today.

I don't know why any of this is confusing.

Mahomes met all the printed stipulations for a legal spike.

He avoided all of the printed stipulations for intentional grounding.

But there's ostensibly no reason to, if the clock is stopped...you just call a play and run the play.

The only reason to spike the ball is if the clock is running...

Right?

So...therefore, the ONLY time a spike would be valid would be when it's permitted to stop a running clock.

The clock was stopped after the penalty.

Mahomes may have actually committed intentional grounding, it's just that the refs AND the announcers didn't quite know how to explain WHY...

Again there was no pressure by the defense. If a team wants to just spike the ball three straight downs and punt, they should be allowed to do so.

It's because the previous penalty stopped the clock; the spike is only allowed to stop the clock.

If the clock isn't running...then it's an intentional grounding, because, as the clock was already stopped due to the previous penalty, there was no running clock to stop.

Which would then make it intenational grounding.

Pretty cut and dried.

WRONG.

That's not in the rulebook.

The only stipulation for a legal spike is that he take the snap and immediately throw the ball into the ground.

THAT'S IT.

THAT IS A LEGAL SPIKE, no matter what else is happening on the play.

LMAO

That's not in the rulebook.

There is no "spike" section in intentional grounding.

Rules aren't open to "interpretation" they are ironclad.

At the VERY LEAST a QB has to be under pressure for grounding to be called.

IT'S
IN
THE
RULEBOOK

Not according to the rules.

The spike play is ONLY to be used to stop the clock.

If it's not used to stop a running clock, it's then intentional grounding, no matter what.

According to the rules.

The clock was stopped.

You CAN'T spike the ball if the clock is stopped.

According to the rules. The pressure part never came into play because the clock was not going to start until the ball was snapped.

He should've ran a ****ing play.

According to me.

Classic Andy ****ing Reid clock management, Full Reidtard gonna get us killed in the playoffs.

But he didn't. We are seeing it thrown around that the ball can only be spiked if the game.clock is running, but that is literally not in the rule book. Not to mention, as soon as the ball is snapped the clock is running

Agree that there was no reason to spike the ball, but that doesn't make it illegal

Paste the section of the rule book stating this, and also, how is the clock not running as soon as the ball is snapped, thus allowing the ball to be spiked

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Where does it say this?

Where does it then say an intentional grounding penalty is then to be levied?

Cite the section of the rulebook. Show me.

You're just making shit up that literally IS NOT IN THE RULEBOOK.

Just like that fat moron ref.

Should it of been delay of game?

As soon as the ball was snapped the clock started running.

Nowhere does it say "clock must be running BEFORE the snap."

Again, I will say READ THE RULES.

What defines a spike? Stipulation met.

What defense intentional grounding? Stipulations avoided.

There's no other section of rules to consider except fantasy fat ref land rules.

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

If the clock isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.


The Browns got a penalty to stop the clock on the previous play.

The spike by Mahomes was not to prevent time from running off the clock, BECAUSE THE CLOCK WAS NOT RUNNING.

The clock has to be running in order to line up and spike the ball to save time.

It's in black and white, Line 3.

The clock was running on that actual play. If he holds onto it, the clock runs.

No. Just looked at that section.

It should have been an incomplete pass and the fat moron ref should have then shut his ****ing mouth.

Bullshit...and he was not offside

I mean, even if that's your interpretation, that's great.

But even so, the barest minimum stipulation for intentional grounding isn't met.

YOU CANNOT FLAG A QUARTERBACK FOR INTENTIONAL GROUNDING IF HE IS NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

END. OF. STORY.

But why is it illegal when it still meets all the other legal definitions of spiking the ball while not under pressure?

It feels to me the added this rule to clarify/reiterate that spikes were legal - not to declare a spike when the game clock isn't running illegal. Declaring something legal doesn't necessarily make other related things illegal.

I was assuming it was illegal at first because I was taking other sites' interpretation of the rule at face value.

Seems pretty clear to me. If the situation was reversed I would expect it to be called. That intentional grounding however....

^ thank you for dinner bro. I mean thanks for the info. Wrong text.