So Mahomes and Mayfield are both legit
 

People make fun of the Big 12 not playing Defense but these two guys are good and can shred NFL Defenses.
It also shows you that you can win National titles in college without elite QB talent but in the NFL you can forget winning the bowl without one.

They both look pretty good so far

Mayfield isn't as polished or comfortable, but that is to be expected

Mayfield is going to be reallllly good, wouldn’t be shocked if he were a top-5 QB moving forward.

He’s lightyears away from Mahomes, but so is every other upcoming QB in the league not named Mahomes

Jesus, you guys need to pump the brakes on Mayfield.

He’s showing some flashes, but the guy has in no way proven that he’s legit.

Stop putting him and Mahomes in the same conversation.

Mayfield is the new Johnny Football until proven otherwise.

Well this is the board that blew it's load watching Derek Carr a few years ago.

Mayfield isn’t as good and he’s less athletic but still those are two Big12 guys who weren’t overly heralded. Also, if you compare Derek Carr to Mayfield, welp, he looks better.

When you've been watching Alex Smith and Matt Cassell for almost 10 years, every 6 starts to look like a 10.

I think he will be good overall, but I want to see him against an actual pass rush. He hasn't faced one yet. Gruden has been crying all season that the Raiders have no pass rush after he traded away Mack. The Jets didn't look good in this regard either.

Mayfield punking the Fade would be a nice bonus.

Who is this Smiff you speak of?

Not much to go on, but so far he’s been very impressive for a rookie QB.

He sucks

Bad int by Mayfield...Not in Mahomes league right now...

He’s not Mahomes but he’s a Big12 guy. That’s the point.

Baker Mayfield, a 1st and a 4th in 2019 for Mahomes

"Mayfield just wins!"

Can we please put to bed this annoying and stupid ****ing idea that college wins mean you're a better player?

Jared Goff and Patrick Mahomes are arguably the kings of the NFL right now. Goff was 14-23 in college. Mahomes was 13-16.

Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, and all the other choad QBs who get blown on TV because "They stepped up and played big when it mattered and won games as leaders of men!!" can suck AIDS through a straw.

Ask Colt McCoy, Ken Dorsey, Greg McElroy, and countless others if they'd trade those successful college outcomes for real NFL careers.

Who could forget McEroys gutty drive to beat Auburn 26-21 in 2009


Clearly a franchise QB

McElroy might not make the trade you suggest. He won a national title in college and now he probably makes very good money on ESPN and he doesn't have to take big hits from massive NFL dudes, lol

Comparing Mahomes and Mayfield is like comparing a Ferrari to a Yugo!

You know how I know you're old?ROFL

Mayfield's head looks swollen... Like he just took it out of a cow's ass...



He sucks too.

its easy to understand, more and more people are born per day, generations get better and better, more evolved, and the NFL is a VERY PASS FRIENDLY league. Not hard to understand that these guys can pull off dime ass throws in their young age.

Both need to have a few games facing real pressure and receivers that aren't NCAA open before people start crowning their asses.

What pressure? Quite frankly, I'd be afraid to sack a QB with todays rules.

That has to be in a linebackers mind every time he gets an opening to sack the QB, instead of instinctively tearing that mother ****er up....

Baker will probably be entertaining and solid competition for years but he’ll always be a few steps behind Mahomes.

I agree. Mahomes is about to go against one of the best pass rushers in the league tomorrow, so that will be interesting to see how he does. Next week he faces the Jaguars with a great secondary and great pass rush.

Mayfield’s played the Jets and Raiders. Absolutely no pass rushers there.

But Mahomes has gone up against Miller, Ingram, Watt, and Buckner. He’s also done a phenomenal job under pressure statistically.

You go and tell me how? :D

Baker's schedule looks pretty easy the rest of the year actually.

Ravens - nowhere near what they used to be. Just ask Dalton.
Chargers - not great
Bucs - horrible defense, maybe equal to Chiefs
Steelers - another really bad defense
Chiefs - maybe the worst defense in the league
Falcons - giving up a ton of points and yards
Bengals - lot of shootouts this year for Dalton. Defense isn't that good
Texans - on paper they are good, but they kinda suck in reality
Panthers - solid defense
Broncos - good pass rush, bad secondary

Just wait till NFL defenses get tape on him.

Mahomes has fit his throws into some really tight windows. I presume he's the other half of the "both" you're referring to?

Nah, he was talking about Trubisky.

/gives Hamas the stinkeye

He has in a few cases, but I don't think anyone has receivers running as consistently and preposterously open as Mahomes. It doesn't mean he can't do it, but with his skill position players, he's got a massive advantage, which is obviously a great thing for the Chiefs.

I'm not putting Mayfield on the same level as Mahomes as of yet.

Mayfield, I believe, will be good but the Browns offense talent level is nowhere to KC's. That's one of the difference. Additionally, Mayfield is in year 1. Mahomes is in year 2.

Let’s not anoint Mayfield just yet, as Prescott and Watson were and for me the jury is still out on those guys. When you look at Trubisky, Watson, Prescott and Mayfield they did not have a year under their belt of total tutelage from a good veteran and it shows for the most part. Yes they have flashed for a period of time like today for Trubisky. Will these guys pan out to be good consistent NFL quarterbacks? It remains to be seen.

Patrick Mahomes has only played four NFL games and he plays the position as though he were a 10 year vet. Super athletic ability and a Very humble attitude to be mentored and an immense desire to win and be a student of the game at quarterback with a year of tutelage makes me safely and realistically anoint him now no doubt.

Yeah no.

That TD in the back of the end zone to Robinson? That was incredible awareness and positioning.

That TD to sausage, just right out of range of the LB.

Im sure there's more but im kinda drunk.

No, his receivers have not been "preposterously" open, not consistently.

Not only does Mayfield not have the same skill positions players as Mahomes, but even worse he has the Browns coaches and offensive coordinator. That is definitely a handicap.

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The jury isn't out on Prescott. He's not very good, it's obvious....

Manning, Marino, Montana, Mahomes, Mayfield.

Pattern?

Mahomes is part of the reason they're getting so open. How do you think Harris got so open in the endzone last week?

But if you're waiting until he plays with worse players, then wait at least 2 years. These guys will be here next season too. They were here last year getting wide open too.

So what? We're supposed to wait a few years to form a conclusion?

If Trubisky continues to improve, Bienemy will be gone next year with a HC gig.

Mayfield does not "suck" lmao he looks far and away better than Darnold and Rosen (my pick to be the best) and it's okay to admit it.

If Mayfield had this offense and Reid and sat a year we'd be real happy with him. I'd rather have Mahomes than anybody in the NFL but it's okay to say that Mayfield has the spark.

The way Mayfield looked yesterday reminded me of his freshman year at Texas Tech. He was affectionately known as Mayfumble.

Yeah, I want to see him against some defenses with good pass rush but it looks like they have a pretty soft schedule the rest of the year.

He had 4 turnovers yesterday against a crappy Raiders defense and I bet a lot of the media will make excuses for him. Meanwhile they would hammer Mahomes for the same thing because it confirms their little false narrative that Mahomes is a turnover machine.

I already heard them saying "It was Mayfield's 1st real start etc..etc..."
I'm like really? Mahomes has had 4 starts and doesn't have 4 turnovers...give me a break..

Just looked at the drive chart and it was worse than I thought watching it. The 4 turnovers led to a 24 point swing in the Raiders favor. Obviously the pick 6 was terrible, but the two fumbles were both inside the Browns 20 and both led to TD's for the Raiders. The interception at the end cost them a game-winning field goal.

Cleveland would likely be 4-0 if Mahomes was their QB

I still like Mayfield a lot. I think he's got a much worse offensive cast than Mahomes, and he's a true rookie. I think the Mahomes struggles the national media keeps expecting would've happened some last year, but the year of learning on the bench helped a LOT. I still expect Mayfield to become one of the better QB's in the league in time. And they're going to win some games this year.

I do think he will learn from that game yesterday, at least you would expect him to learn from it. I like his potential a lot more than the other big name QB's in the 2018 Draft. I think he has more of a "fighter" aspect in his game and he is more accurate with the ball than the others. Arm is plenty strong too.

Yeah. He's just got 'IT'.

If they had a kicker they would have won 2 more games this season.

Recent QBs that Chiefsplanet said were legit based on their first few starts (many of these are still undecided):

Kaepernick
RGIII
Garoppolo
Prescott
Watson
Tannehill
Winston
Simien
Geno Smith
Darnold
Weeden
Gabbert

I'd say so

Good thing Denver didn't pick him up. He's legit!

Does he?