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Direckshun 03-26-2018 11:41 AM

Mock (3/26)
 
Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs sign CB Kenneth Acker to a minimal deal.

2. The Chiefs sign DT Jay Bromley (Giants) for 2 years, $6m.

3. The Chiefs do not sign WR Kendall Wright (Titans).

The draft:

2.54. OLB Josh Sweat, Florida State

Until I'm convinced otherwise, I believe that Veach will be a continuation of what John Dorsey did in the NFL Draft. If so, Sweat is the picture-perfect idea of what Dorsey would draft at the position. Sweat was the most impressive specimen at the position at the Combine, with perfect size, great arm length, and phenomenal athleticism. I think Sweat has some juice to be a first round pick, even.

3.78 (Smith). S Justin Reid, Stanford

The Chiefs love corner-safety flexibility, and Justin Reid was a corner at Stanford, making him a good fit to be a potential starter alongside Eric Berry. He's got some coverage issues to clean up and it'll take him an offseason or two to get that classic safety body, but he's the kind of guy you can put in any scheme and move him around anywhere.

3.86. DE RJ McIntosh, Miami

McIntosh has been fingered recently on a podcast I listen to as being a good fit for the Chiefs, specifically if they go into an attack-heavy personnel scheme.

4.122. OG Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech

4.124 (Peters). CB Arrion Springs, Oregon

6.196 (Foles). QB Mike White, Western Kentucky

7.233 (King). DE Mike Ramsay, Duke

7.243 (Cooper). ILB Trent Tanking, Kansas State

roster:

QB: Mahomes, Henne, White
RB: Hunt, Ware, West, Williams
FB: Sherman

WR: Hill, Watkins, Conley, Thomas, Robinson, Chesson
TE: Kelce, Watson, Harris

LT: Fisher, Schwartz
LG: Ehinger, Teller
C: Morse, Erving, Devey
RG: Duvarney-Tardif, Erving
RT: Schwartz, Witzmann

DE: Jones, Jenkins, Ramsay
NT: Williams, Nunez-Roches
DE: Bailey, Bromley, McIntosh

OLB: Ford, Kpassagnon
ILB: Ragland, Smith
ILB: Hitchens, Eligwe, Tanking
OLB: Houston, Sweat

CB: Fuller, Amerson, Nelson, Springs, Acker
S: Berry, Reid, Sorensen, Murray, McQuay

K: Butker
P: Colquitt
LS: Winchester

O.city 03-26-2018 11:42 AM

Justin Reid is going in the first round me thinks.

The Franchise 03-26-2018 11:47 AM

Justin Reid is not lasting until the 3rd round. I'd love it if he did....but it's not happening.

Chargem 03-26-2018 02:32 PM

I like RJ McIntosh, but I think he's seen as quite a developmental guy, not sure if I would risk a 3rd on him as a result but I'd take him in the 4th and onwards. I know these are not gospel, but here's the snippet from the nfl draft tracker:

DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 3-4

SOURCES TELL US "Should have stayed in. He needs to keep growing into his frame and get a lot stronger. You don't want to come out until you know you're ready to do battle against grown men and I don't think he's there yet." -- AFC Director of Scouting

Beerthirty 03-26-2018 07:50 PM

Watkins for Maclin I assume

DaneMcCloud 03-26-2018 09:07 PM

Veach isn't spending a 2nd round pick on a OLBer that won't likely see the field because of Houston, Ford and Kpassognon.

The first player he chooses will be an every down player like a CB or Safety and maybe even a LG or D lineman.

There isn't room for a OLBer starter, making it a waste of a pick, especially after they took Tanoh last year.

Mother****erJones 03-26-2018 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13491149)
Veach isn't spending a 2nd round pick on a OLBer that won't likely see the field because of Houston, Ford and Kpassognon.

The first player he chooses will be an every down player like a CB or Safety and maybe even a LG or D lineman.

There isn't room for a OLBer starter, making it a waste of a pick, especially after they took Tanoh last year.

I don’t disagree but Ford has been hurt a lot and Houston will be a year older. That said, I only see them doing it if a guy like Hubbard or Landry fall. Otherwise I like CB, S, DL or OL first.

Couch-Potato 03-26-2018 11:28 PM

I like the Wyatt Teller pick!

Direckshun 03-27-2018 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beerthirty (Post 13491034)
Watkins for Maclin I assume

LMAO

Of course.

Tribal Warfare 03-27-2018 01:09 PM

Another SPARQ hero that KC met with was EDGE/OLB Kylie Fitts

kccrow 03-27-2018 05:21 PM

Josh Sweat, a guy I can't get behind until maybe the 4th round. Runs like a cheetah in shorts, but plays like an elephant in pads. The guy plays slow and has a slow release off the line. That's one place the scouting reports are absolutely on point. He doesn't seem to go hard and give that great second effort either. You can't teach either of those things very well. He just isn't the type of player I want to watch. Maybe you take a flier later that he can turn it around, but I think the knee injuries have him delaying, looking for a chop block first before he's willing to give it a go. I dunno, something isn't right. That kid has first-rate athleticism and should look like he got shot out of a cannon off the snap. You should see outstanding closing speed to the ball in space. He just doesn't show either to me.

NFL.com has Reid as a 1st-2nd round pick and nfldraftscout has him as their 59th rated player overall.
On tape, he seems to be a top 45 pick. I don't see how he last until 78.

I don't mind Teller.

I really like Arrion Springs and he proved his doubters wrong running a 4.47 at his pro day. The only thing that sucks about him is his hands, he can't catch a cold. The good thing is, he can cover anyone and he gets his hands on a boatload of balls. He'd be a great pickup that late, and with his size and tackling ability wouldn't be a bad FS convert consideration either.

There is no way in hell that Mike White makes it past the 4th round IMO. Hell, I'd bet he goes before the 4th. He's the last NFL sized QB that can put zip on the ball, throw accurately, and read a defense in one package. He's easily the 7th best QB in this draft and there's a huge drop-off after him.

I'm liking Ramsay more than the Cothren kid from PSU you had in some previous mocks. He's not real long, but he's got some burst and he's a decent player. He saw alot of double-teams, but he also showed he really struggles to split them. Also, he seems to struggle to disengage overall. Needs some work in that area. Also going to say I worry about his gap discipline in the pros with that disengagement issue, as he generally takes wide arcs to pressure the QB.

Tanking... bah... pick him up as an UDFA maybe. 1 season of production and size issues. Dont know how he ran at the K-State pro day. Wow me and maybe I'll say take a flier.

BryanBusby 03-27-2018 05:42 PM

I don't like Sweat as a prospect at all, much less Round 2. If you're lucky, Reid makes it to the Chiefs 2nd round selection.

I like McIntosh, but he's more Round 2 range I think.

Mother****erJones 03-27-2018 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13492439)
I don't like Sweat as a prospect at all, much less Round 2. If you're lucky, Reid makes it to the Chiefs 2nd round selection.

I like McIntosh, but he's more Round 2 range I think.

I watched some of him and just went “meh.”


No thanks unless it’s round 4. Big injury concerns and just didn’t pop out on film. Shit I liked Jeff Holland more than him. Lorenzo Carter as well.

Tribal Warfare 03-28-2018 09:29 AM

Chiefs are looking at WR DJ Moore Maryland

O.city 03-28-2018 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 13493225)
Chiefs are looking at WR DJ Moore Maryland

I like.

Chief Northman 03-28-2018 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 13493225)
Chiefs are looking at WR DJ Moore Maryland

Is he in for a pre-draft visit?

Too rich for Chiefs - he might sneak in to round one. Love his game though.

Tribal Warfare 03-29-2018 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13494335)
Is he in for a pre-draft visit?

Too rich for Chiefs - he might sneak in to round one. Love his game though.

KC was at the Maryland Pro Day

Direckshun 03-29-2018 08:53 AM

You guys hating on Josh Sweat -- his tape is better than Dee Ford's, and is pretty comparable to Tanoh Kpassagnon. He is a physical freak with tools. The Chiefs under Dorsey, and probably under Veach, love that shit.

I understand an argument from someone like Dane that Sweat doesn't make much sense if he can't get snaps, but we probably all know Ford is gone after this year, Kpass is a question mark (though I am very high on him), and it may be worth consideration if Houston is worth the contract he's got after this season.

RealSNR 03-29-2018 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13494578)
You guys hating on Josh Sweat -- his tape is better than Dee Ford's, and is pretty comparable to Tanoh Kpassagnon. He is a physical freak with tools. The Chiefs under Dorsey, and probably under Veach, love that shit.

I understand an argument from someone like Dane that Sweat doesn't make much sense if he can't get snaps, but we probably all know Ford is gone after this year, Kpass is a question mark (though I am very high on him), and it may be worth consideration if Houston is worth the contract he's got after this season.

What's stopping Sweat from being a Kpass question mark next year if he doesn't get snaps?

Mother****erJones 03-29-2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 13494578)
You guys hating on Josh Sweat -- his tape is better than Dee Ford's, and is pretty comparable to Tanoh Kpassagnon. He is a physical freak with tools. The Chiefs under Dorsey, and probably under Veach, love that shit.

I understand an argument from someone like Dane that Sweat doesn't make much sense if he can't get snaps, but we probably all know Ford is gone after this year, Kpass is a question mark (though I am very high on him), and it may be worth consideration if Houston is worth the contract he's got after this season.

I just said he was very meh on what I could watch and that I wouldn’t take him in round 2. He’s got a questionable injury history with his knee.

Mother****erJones 03-29-2018 10:03 AM

I’d much rather have Dorance Armstrong from Kansas than Sweat

pugsnotdrugs19 03-29-2018 11:02 AM

I could be sold on edge rusher for sure at pick 54. I personally think Ford can give us a big boost with the pass rush, but health is a big problem there and his run defense isn’t too swell. I guess it all comes down to what they foresee with Tanoh going forward.

If you want to use Tanoh inside on passing downs, draft another edge guy and you can have a strong rotation there that can stay fresh throughout the game, like the Eagles.

Chargem 03-29-2018 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13494752)
I could be sold on edge rusher for sure at pick 54. I personally think Ford can give us a big boost with the pass rush, but health is a big problem there and his run defense isn’t too swell. I guess it all comes down to what they foresee with Tanoh going forward.

If you want to use Tanoh inside on passing downs, draft another edge guy and you can have a strong rotation there that can stay fresh throughout the game, like the Eagles.

I'd love an extra edge guy who could hopefully spend a year learning while Ford and Tanoh play this year but can provide some depth if someone gets injured, just not sure about using the 54 pick on that guy.

The Franchise 03-29-2018 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13494752)
I could be sold on edge rusher for sure at pick 54. I personally think Ford can give us a big boost with the pass rush, but health is a big problem there and his run defense isn’t too swell. I guess it all comes down to what they foresee with Tanoh going forward.

If you want to use Tanoh inside on passing downs, draft another edge guy and you can have a strong rotation there that can stay fresh throughout the game, like the Eagles.

I think we should be able to get one in the 3rd-4th round range. That would allow us to get rid of Zombo and roll with Houston, Ford, KPass, Nicholas and a rookie.

Direckshun 03-29-2018 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13494660)
What's stopping Sweat from being a Kpass question mark next year if he doesn't get snaps?

Oh he will be. Ask the Chiefs how much they care.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-29-2018 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13494824)
I think we should be able to get one in the 3rd-4th round range. That would allow us to get rid of Zombo and roll with Houston, Ford, KPass, Nicholas and a rookie.

After watching the kid from Oklahoma, that’s the guy I’d want. Could nab him in the 3rd round and use 54 on the secondary.

RealSNR 03-29-2018 12:57 PM

DIRECKSHUN YOU WERE ON THE ****ING CLOCK IN THE CP MOCK AND YOU STOPPED BY HERE TO TALK ABOUT JOSH SWEAT?!?!?!

Direckshun 03-29-2018 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13494934)
DIRECKSHUN YOU WERE ON THE ****ING CLOCK IN THE CP MOCK AND YOU STOPPED BY HERE TO TALK ABOUT JOSH SWEAT?!?!?!

You can’t prove those allegations and I refuse to cooperate with any investigations into the matter.

Mother****erJones 03-29-2018 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13494934)
DIRECKSHUN YOU WERE ON THE ****ING CLOCK IN THE CP MOCK AND YOU STOPPED BY HERE TO TALK ABOUT JOSH SWEAT?!?!?!

LMAO

Beerthirty 03-30-2018 08:46 PM

Who would be slot receiver now without picking someone up? Hill, DAT, Robinson, Kelcie if we get another tight end?


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