LNBS-Looking at the 2018 Salary Cap
 

Holy shit what a mess. Here are the top 25 paid players, basically everyone with a cap hit of $1 million plus:

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Couple of things stand out here:

-Tamba is gone.
-No way in hell is DJ playing for $10.25 million.
-Dee Ford has no dead money unless his back is ****ed.
-No way should Allen Bailey play for an $8 million cap hit.
-Ron Parker’s value deal is over. $7 million cap hit is way too high for him.
-Revis will be decided in March. Doubt he’s back.
-Dirty Dan is $4.8 million to our cap. Holy shit.

There should be some cuts/restructures coming. I think we might see a lot of new faces on defense next year.

Eric Fisher extension is an abomination.

these contracts are so horrible its not even funny. almost 5 million for Sorensen is puke.

I would be more concerned if these terrible cap hits involved indispensable players.

Lots of moves to be made... but I don't think you can cut some of those guys like Parker/Bailey unless you have a solid replacement plan. At least a plan to use the money elsewhere.

DJ, Hali, and Smith are obvious: 33 million
Parker and Bailey are maybes: 11 million
Ford is a tough one: 8.7

52.7 million in space from those moves.

Yes. Which all of those moves are fine as long as you've got solid replacements in mind, and as long as they are willing to use those savings in general.

I personally don't want to get rid of guys like Bailey, Ford, or Parker just to have some extra cap room. If they can use that money to grab Malcolm Butler and a mid-tier player elsewhere, then I'm all for it.

Just depends if Ford has shown he can bounce back and have a season like 2016. If he's still having problems staying healthy just cut bait. Kpassagnon needs to step up this year anyway or that pick was an unmitigated disaster

I think Ford can be an above average pass rusher but never a 3-down guy because he will be below average against the run. KPass has the potential to be stout with both, but still has a lot of work to do.

Some easy moves off the books in Smith, Hali, and DJ. Not much of a mess at all really after freeing up that room. I'd keep Revis at that number.

Good Lord, what a bunch of overpaid bums.

Who's earning their contract? Peters is certainly outplaying his. Chris Jones does from time to time. Kelce earns his, as does Schwartz.

Everyone else is stealing money.

Need to re-sign Albert Wilson. He has legit chemistry with Mahomes in the passing game. That will be important for a very young starting QB in 2018, especially on 3rd downs.

Don't forget to cut zombo to get a cool million back. Zombo isn't worth vet minimum.

On another note, is Justin Houston the highest paid defensive back in the league?

I actually don’t mind this because a lot of the guys who don’t add value will be obvious cuts, while the high value guys don’t hurt that much. Gives us room to add new faces. “Good” turnover, if you will.

That's why I think we have a chance to get a lot better in a hurry. Its not like we are being forced to cut a bunch of guys that we really can't afford to lose.

I keep reading this damn topic as "Looking at the 2018 Stanley Cup".

i would comment on the OP but can't read the ****ing embed :D

Trade Alex, force DJ and Hali to retire, and cut Bailey, Zombo and Sorenson.

Let Ron Parker play out his contract. Unfortunately the back loading piper needs to be paid sometimes and we can't realistically replace two "starting" safeties in one offseason. He can't tackle worth a damn but he knows the system well and if he's your weakest link in the secondary, you're not doing too poorly.

I'm undecided on Ford and Revis. Ideally you'd be able to move on from them but they play the most important positions on defense. After Peters and Houston we're thin and lacking impact players at both spots so we may be forced to keep them both.

Go into the draft looking for OLB, DL, LG, CB, and S. TE and OL depth are some things to keep in mind.

Lol'd at the bold

Revis was just collecting a check this year

Hard no for next year there

First, thank you for creating this thread as I have yet to see any discussion along these lines. This entire board is on board with the trade Alex, cut Hali and DJ movement.

And by the way, a teams cap number is not a mess because they don't have cap space as the year begins. Thier cap is a mess when they have no real moves to make to free up space. Chiefs are in a great spot actually IMO. Holes to fill, a defense to fix, but ample cap space. My concern is will there be good free agents to spend the money on.

The good thing is though, they don’t really need big ticket free agent on d they need supplemental guys that can bring value

That’s where you win free agency

Healthy Eric Berry is a difference maker.

Yeah that’s the thing, they don’t need stars, they need good players.

Problem is everyone gets overplayed in free agency

Thats where I'm at, too many other spots are in need of attention to worry about him right now

I can't either.

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He gave up virtually nothing the last 4 games. You guys are terrible at evaluating players. They should have let Henry score on that last play. He knew he wasn't getting there in time. Absolutely pathetic defensive alignment by Sutton.

Tanoh had two sacks in his one start, but let's play Zombo!!

I agree. Our depth at OLB is not good right now so cutting Ford just because he is making too much and hasn't worked out may not be enough of a reason. If we have enough draft capital or see a guy in FA that can replace him I'm all for moving on.

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Cut:
$8.7 million = Ford
$8 million = DJ
$8 million = Hali
$5 million = Parker
$4.5 million = Reavis
$5.95 million = Tardif

Trade:
$17 million = Smith

Cut players = $40.15 Million
Smith = $17 million
Current cap room = $4.8 million

2018 Total cap savings and room = $61.95 Million

Plan:

1. Trade Smith for whatever we can get in draft picks. Use those picks to get the best defensive players available.
2. Use our cap room to buy the best defensive help available
3. Use our 2nd rounder on defense
4. Use our 3rd rounder on the O-line
5. 4-7 best defense or O-line available

Numbers from:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

Cut our 2nd best OL who is one of the best guards in the league?

yeah that was a bone head thing. But, l just copied and pasted. The good ideas and the horrible one.

Guys, there is absolutely NO reason to $50-$60 million in cap space this year. The Free Agent market is pretty week and replacing guys like Ron Parker and Allen Bailey won't be so easy. While neither is a superstar, both are adequate. No team is filled with 22 superstars.

Smith, Hali and DJ will open up plenty of cap room. There's no need for a "roster purge" when the Chiefs currently have only five selections in the draft.

We need a defensive FA signing like the Schwartz deal from last offseason in a bad way.

What’s Fulton worth? We should probably re-sign him. Not sure I’d like anything worth over $5m per year though.

The only thing we have to have on O is a LG and a backup QB. Can Ehinger or Morse step up? If the answer is no, then cut one along with Witzman and use the remaining one for backup (considering you keep Fulton). FA or draft to replace. I'm out on Ford, especially at $8.7M. Horrid against the run and seems to have problems staying on the field. Kpass will be just fine. No one broke down Revis's door last year, so I think we could could do better on a multi-year deal with him, should we decide to keep him. Lock up some of our young studs and spend any remaining $ and draft picks on D. And I'm with Dane, no need to spend everything this year.

Malcolm Butler fits that description

We'll see who gets cut loose after the draft, but right now the FA class looks less than stellar

Yeah unfortunately you’re right.

I hope we can get 2-3 complimentary players from the mid tier pool that can help us.

Ford and Reavis have no value to us at $13 million. A good NFL backup QB is going to cost us up to $5-$8 million. We still have money left to buy more just on those two worthless players being gone.

Ford has value, even at $8 million. You're not going to find a guy that cheap that can provide 10 sacks when healthy.

As for Revis, if he'll take $2-3 million for 2018, sign him up. The Chiefs have NO ONE behind Peters. Gaines is awful, who knows what this Keith Reaser is and Mitchell and Acker aren't even average.

Dorsey really ****ed the secondary (and left guard and wide receiver and defensive line and outside linebacker).

I asked the question about a backup QB in another thread and was told that Daniel got $900K for 1 year. I would think a quality backup QB would be more in the $4-5M range.

Keep in mind that cutting Revis would save $4.5 million. I’m pretty sure if we keep him....he has something like a $10 million dollar guaranteed bonus if he’s on the roster at the start of the new year.

Reavis has bonus money due him if he's on the roster. Millions. He gives that up and wants to work $2-3 million, that works for me.

Ford has never done shit. He's always hurt. No confidence in him whatsoever. I'd rather use that money on Lawrence or Gillette.

I'd like to see the Chiefs go all out and get the left guard from the Panthers, All Pro Andrew Norwell and bring back a guy like Bradley McDougald.

There's really not much in terms of defensive tackles, maybe a guy like Daquan Jones as a 5 tech rotation and again, there's just not much at OLB. I guess you could roll the dice on a guy like Trent Murphy but who knows how well he'll perform after missing the year with a torn ACL and is he even ready for Training Camp (I doubt it).

I think the Chiefs bring back Wilson and pretty much stand pat with their receiving corp. Chesson and Kemp should make pretty big leaps this offseason, as should Robinson.

I don't know enough about the available cornerbacks but there's no way I'd give out a huge $13 million per year deal to a Malcom Butler or Trumaine Johnson when Marcus Peters is younger and better, looking at a contract year soon.

Revis has a $10 million dollar roster bonus and yeah, there's no way the Chiefs pick that up after his performance last season.

But if he still wants to play, I'd take him for anywhere from $2-$4 million in 2018, especially since there's a lack of alternatives. Sure, the Chiefs could hit on a guy in the draft but that would be a stroke of luck considering their first pick isn't until #54 overall.

Dallas isn't allowing Lawrence to go. No way, Dude. Ford had a 10 sack season and played very well in 2016 at the LOLB position. When healthy, the guy is a force but IMO, Sutton (as he's done with other players) has mis-used Ford. While his health has certainly been an issue, the scheme has been a bigger issue.

I'm with you about the WRs. Mahomes seemed to have some chemistry with Kemp and Dieter during the preseason and Chesson just needs some work. DRob and Wilson just need to be less erratic. And we still have DAT for bubble screens.

Why Dorsey was fired.

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Lol Ford being a force made me alugh out loud. The guy is a bust and was never good

Dee Ford sucks ass

I'd keep Parker. We have enough cap room from the other cuts he's still reasonable given his performance over the last three seasons.

That's a no-brainer.

Eric Murray and Daniel Sorenson are sub-par safeties and there's no way to replace a starter at safety this offseason, given the players available and the limited number of draft picks.

My biggest hope for Veach is that he drafts players that are ready now and don't need years of training and coaching up.

Definitely... besides, it's going to be hard to upgrade Parker unless you use a premium pick at safety, which seems unlikely this year. If anything they need to just worry about upgrading Sorensen.

I feel pretty much the same way about Bailey. Don't think they need the cap room that his release will give them. Unless they think he just sucked ass this year, I'd let him finish the contract.

There aren't any star OLB on the market that I can tell, but there are a shit load of guys who are better than Zombo and could actually be decent.

While I'd like to flip Alex for a couple high round picks, I wonder if you could figure out a player for player trade plus a pick coming back.

If Jacksonville loses tomorrow because of Bortles, I expect them to be all in on Alex. That defense is ready to roll right now and the window won't stay open forever with a lot of those guys on the cheap. They legitimately should offer their 1st for Alex IMO.

I would imagine that Tanoh heads into the season in competition with Nicolas (if he's healthy) and Ford (if he's healthy).

They'll definitely need to draft at least one OLBer, unless they're planning to move Eligwe outside, like he was against Denver, in which they'll need at least another ILBer.

Veach's strategy will be interesting to watch.

I don't think they're in a bad spot in free agency in the sense that they don't need the big name free agents. They need to supplement whats there. Ideally you'd add low dollar guys that yield high dollar results, plus the draft picks.

Yeah but the pool is really, really shallow.

A metric ****ton of JAG's and a few Franchise Players, many of whom won't be allowed to leave their current teams.

Theres definitely some JAGS in there, but theres also potential for there to be some Sean Smith type players for the Chiefs that might excel in a different scheme etc.

Just gotta figure who they are.

The FA class is gonna be real shallow once teams realize dollars are probably best used to keep their jags (see Watkins will be tagged) and a bunch of squads will have practically unlimited funds to throw at the few decent ones.

I'd gamble on a prove it FA, overpay for one in the cream of the crop and just carry over the rest to 2019.

I'd bring booger back, overpay for Norwell, gamble with Aaron Lynch, sign the guys we want to keep and call it a FA.

We need to try and put together some blockbuster type trade together with Cleveland and get the #4 pick and take Bradley Chubb from North Carolina State. I still think it would be a prefect year for this defense to get to a different scheme like a 4-3. Chubb, Jones, RNR, K-Pass across the front line. Ragland at the MLB. Use the cap money and other draft picks to fill in the other spots for this year. Maybe round it out in next years draft.

Smith, Peters, Houston and/or Ford for #4, their 2nd rounder from Philly, and get our 5th from them back.

You lost me at Peters.

It'd be cool and all to get that pick, but a trade like that just isn't going to happen.

I just don't think Peters wants to be here, and I really look for him to start holding out real soon and asking for huge dollars like the DT from the Rams did last season in just his 3rd year in the NFL.

And it is going to have to take a player like Peters to get to #4.

It's JMO though.

I'd go for a new face for the defense. Build it around Jones, Chubbs and Ragland.

If your theory holds true, then yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. I just don't know though. Every time I've ever thought we should trade Peters, he makes 2 or 3 plays that other guys just never make.

I get it. But you can use the rest of this draft, next years draft, and some free agents to try and fill the spot. Maybe the FA CB from the Rams?

Rebuild the defense over a couple of years to be a championship defense while Mahomes is getting up to speed.

I think a Houston trade would make sense. Trading Smith along with Houston should net quite a haul.

If we trade Houston then we are desperately trying to find a guy to replace.....Houston. If FA was offering players that the money could be spent on OK. I don't see the value in FA so I don't think we need to be clearing the cap space with a player we really need.

Trading one of the few good players is an A+ way to rebuild the D, I tell you what

I think Houston has some juice left. He will be two years removed from the injury. Sutton misused him so badly this year and he still was one of the better EDGE defenders in the league.

But that brings us back to problem #1.... Sutton.

If Sutton stays what makes you think Houston will be anymore than what he is? An overpaid underutilized player.

You just have to hope that the old bastard is either told by Andy or realizes himself that he was an idiot for the way he used him. I mean, he wasn't doing that shit from '13-'15 with him, so it's been done before. :shrug:

I was listening to Grunhard the other day on my morning drive to work. He said opposing OC's know what sets Houston is going to be allowed to rush and which sets he is going to drop into coverage, so they are scheming to get the personal on the field the keeps Houston in coverage most of the day. Makes sense.

In the mix of acquiring players: I like what Veach did when he traded draft picks for current NFL players. Ragland and Erving were good trades. I've heard the 2018 draft is weak. If there are under-utilized players -- for whatever reasons-- currently on rosters, I'd like to see continued activity there. As to FA and draft, if nothing else, I hope a legit TE and RB are available. On defense, a crazy thought: Look for guys who actually enjoy contact. The unit is so soft, so uninspired.

Checked yesterday, and the year to get out of Justin Houston's contract would be after 2018. Too much dead cap, if to consider this offseason.

Need to be adding talent on D.. not losing a top player, only to incur heavy cap damage.

Thats not the feeling down here at all. No one wants Alex. Literally no Jags fan I've talked too.

They want Cousins. Have the cap room to make the deal. Jags are out of the Smith trade scenarios.

:hmmm: okay, so Sutton is a dumbass. But, if its that obvious, why wouldn't the other coaches warn him of the tell?

While I think that makes a ton of sense, it may not be realistic.

1. Cousins would want to go to Jacksonville
2. Jacksonville is going to have to compete with a bunch of teams for his services, and the dude isn’t going to give anyone a deal.
3. I don’t give a shit what the fans are saying all that matters is the front office.

What happens if you miss out on cousins and a team like Arizona pulled the trigger quick on Smith? What you going to do sign Bortles to a long term deal. Yuck.

Damned if I know. He just said in certain formations Houston is going to be dropping in coverage. So the other teams are making sure that is what he is doing.

I'm all for a switch to a 4-3 so we have our best pass rushers with their hand on the dirt out on the end rushing he passer nearly all of the time.

Cousins to Jacksonville makes a ton of sense. They are a young team with a shit load of cap space and probably want a qb who is a longer term answer. I don't think Jacksonville is as much in play as we think it is. The only thing on our side is that Alex plays the same style of WCO as bortles except better.