Enough already! What's the deal with Sutton?
 

I get this feeling Reid is just prolonging the announcement he is keeping Sutton. He wants the fans emotions to die down so he doesn't catch extreme pushback.

There is really no reason for this to drag out like this. This defense played with no fire and edge, that alone should be enough reason to move on. When watching a top ranked defense, the lack of emotion on KC becomes so obvious. I've been a fan for 35 years and am still shocked this guy hasn't been shown the door yet. Just make your BS announcement Reid, we all need to digest it sooner or later.

Its either that or we're waiting on someone in the playoffs for DC and dont want the staff being poached as we wait. The fact that we haven't had a press conference for Bieliemy is giving me pause.

He's probably staying. That the deal. They didn't have good enough players and he's getting a pass.

The deal is he is our DC and that is not going to change.

Since he's still in KC I'm afraid he's going to stay like Reid. Nothing will change

Oh God I hope you're wrong. Sadly, however, I fear that you are correct. Yet another year of mediocrity.............

I hope I am wrong as well, but all signs are pointing the other way.

I disagree. If the Chiefs were keeping Sutton, feel like they would own it so that the rumor mill can shut up about it. They've put off end of year press conferences and haven't even formally introduced Bieniemy even though he's been announced as a hire. Likely scenario they don't want a press conference because they don't want to formally confirm or deny rumors.

I think the Chiefs are waiting on 2 guys. And if they can get 1 of them, they'll fire Sutton. If not, they'll keep him. Spagnuolo has an obvious Reid connection and is gunning for the NY Giants coaching job (maybe most plausible because he's run his scheme from 3-4). The other is Adam Zimmer who has a strong connection through Gary Gibbs. The Chiefs out of respect are probably keeping their distance until Minnesota's season is over.

Either no going to change or wait and see what happens with Spagnolo

I don't see why Adam Zimmer isn't couldn't also be in play

Hard to believe that Andy Reid sees no need to shake up his coaching staff after another epic playoff choke.

Too bad the Chiefs don’t have a real owner to hold Reid accountable.

He has pictures of the Hunts in drag.

Fire the mother ****er!

They still haven't announced Childress' retirement, so maybe some pieces of the puzzle are still being shuffled through.

He isn't going anywhere. They aren't going to make an announcement that they are keeping their defensive coordinator. That would show that they are acknowledging that there was a possibility of him being fired.

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You don't think it's a bit odd that bieniemy was hired as offensive coordinator and Childress, a respected football guy, is retiring and the Chiefs have said nothing except through a press release?

If the Chiefs were committed to Sutton, they'd say something. Let the chatter fizzle. Then address questions. They're not going to wait for a mob to form before they make the announcement. They have been unusually quiet. And they have not at all denied the rampant rumors that Suttons job is in jeopardy.

If they are keeping Sutton, there is nothing to be addressed. Did nagy have a press conference last year?

It is true.

I sure hope Andy can's Sutton's ass, he has elevated his D's over the years considering he had to flesh out the D with bums like Gaines and Ford and get through major injuries to guys like Houston and Berry.

Please fire him and let him go to an NFC team, then bring in someone who will play more zone and take the focus away from turnovers.

The latest choke was as much on Dorsey for hamstringing the cap and letting the depth atrophy. Peters is good at ball hawking but he doesn't want to tackle, Houston is the next best player and he has lost a step, can't beat guys to the outside anymore and has a pitch count on pass rushes a game, Berry is probably the most complete player on the D but he wasn't there. Jones is a good starter but after he left the game there was no one to make a stop. There is no one else of note on the D, Revis should be embarrassed for cashing his check, he and DJ are done.

Who is our QB coach?

Yes there is. A simple statement that Sutton will coach the Chiefs in 2018. That's all it would take to shut off the rumor mill . The Chiefs did not hide from anyone in previous years. Nagy was plenty available last year at the pro bowl. The Chiefs have been unusually quiet since the shake-ups. Has anyone heard a single mouse peep out of Reid, Veach, or Hunt except for a few press releases?

The Chiefs have not confirmed or denied. There are two strong candidates with an extremely strong connection to the Chiefs. Neither are on the market. Hell, Spags worked for Andy Reid and shares the same agent.

Fat Andy is going to keep him and if he does he needs fired.

Perhaps Andy thinks giving up 22 points in a playoff game isn't that bad.

Like I said earlier, if they address the situation in a presser they are admitting something is wrong. If they don't address it then it gives the impression of business as usual. The internet cries have already died down, and after this weekend will be almost gone. I think Sutton is getting a pass this year, but it may be his final hoo rah if the defense doesn't get their shit together.

Trust me, I would like to be wrong. I don't think I am though.

We can still hope.

Eh, he’s alright. Only announcement I care about is Smith gone.

Nothing to deal with this post but hopefully West and Cam Erving doesn’t smoke with Bowe. Since they’re hanging out with him in Miami.

Do they drug test in the off season?

I'm assuming not to sure.

We could break the internet like for change like Greg Robinson debacle and make his family so emotionally damaged they demand him to quit

They don't necessarily need to release a statement themselves, but usually these kinds of things get leaked to an insider like Rapoport or Schefter and they let it out that the guy is keeping his job.

Maybe I'm just conditioned to expect the worst. [emoji23]

It's fair to do so, I personally think the odds are maybe 5% that he's getting fired now.

Random fact... the day after the Houston Oilers’ epic choke job to Buffalo in the infamous “Comeback” playoff game, Houston immediately fired their defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach.

Meanwhile after TWO historically epic playoff choke jobs within a five year time-frame Andy Reid refuses to fire his defensive coordinator or make any other changes to his coaching staff.

Commitment to mediocrity.

Maybe, just maybe after getting burned for tampering on Maclin the Chiefs learned to keep things quiet until the proper time. If the Raiders had kept their collective mouths shut, was public about interviewing their TE coach and then announced Gruden they wouldn't be being investigated for the Rooney rule.

IMO, the Chiefs are waiting for the Steelers season to end to snag one of from their staff

Why would you release a statement to say you aren't firing someone?

They've been peppering the team with questions. Fans have been very vocal about it. You don't think a loyal guy like reid wouldn't say "don't be ridiculous, leave my guy alone" if the media was hounding one of his guys who was safe? It seems unusual for the Chiefs who are usually open about everything. I still stand by the idea that they have 1-2 guys in mind and if they don't get them, then Sutton stays. If that's the case then there is definitely no motivation to fire him or say anything.

I don't really buy that. The root is always stronger at the tree. Spagnuolo shares the same agent as reid and has worked with him before. Adam Zimmer was mentored by Gary Gibbs. Those two actually have very strong connections to our tree. And technically, neither are available.

At this point that would be my 2nd choice behind James Bettcher not getting the Cards job, which is likely and being let out of his contract, which I don't see them doing. There was chatter that Nagy wanted him in Chicago if Fangio didn't stay but Vic is staying there now. Brenston Buckner the Dline coach and LB coach Larry Foote are also on the Cards staff. Don't know if either is ready to call a defense though.

I like both DB's coach Carnell Lake and ILB coach Jerry Olsavsky. Preferably Olsavsky since he played and coached under LeBeau and of course coached under Keith Butler. A couple of points with Pittsburgh is they blocked Butler several times from leaving when he was LB coach, last time was when Arians got the Cards job. Neither has called a defense before but they both know that scheme inside and out from coaching and playing in it. Ray Horton fits here too if neither of the Steeler coaches are available or what Reid wants. Horton was one candidate he wanted to interview before he hired Sutton. Horton was out of coaching this year so say Reid hires Lake or Olsavsky he could also add Horton as Senior Defensive asst to help guide a first year DC. Lake also spent 2009 as a training camp intern with Reid in Philly.

He's dead

Only recently.

And really Andy can't defend or throw Sutton under the bus.

Both looked horrible at the same time. Both looked good at the same time.

I would argue that Sutton perhaps looked better when Naggy called the pays because running the ball helps to protect a weak defense. That doesn't make Sutton better it just helps him out...

Reggie Herring hasn't been mentioned but he's coached LB's several different places Wade Phillips has been DC. Herring is still in Denver as LB coach from when Phillips was there.

I just feel like an open organization like the Chiefs would say something if their guy was getting pounced on. And Andy has had more than enough playoff disappointments to think he has his tail between the legs. The silence is unusual. I'd like to think it's a sign they're still exploring.

I've backed Sutton until this year. And now I want an upgrade I still think 3-4 is the best D for Houston and Ragland who showed he can be a piece to build around. Possibly the 4-3 under. Lots of guys when you think about it they aren't much better than old Bob

Those Oilers won sooooooo many titles!!

The ugly truth is there isn't any established talent at the DC position out there.

You either get risky with new talent or stay the course.

What do you think we'll do?...

Agreed.

No.

Exactly my point...

Why would the Chiefs hold a press conference to announce they aren’t firing someone?

I think your first statement is the case. ALL of the "Sutton is gone" stuff are rumors to suggest a desired outcome. Reid and the Chiefs haven't said a thing. SO, I'd bet he stays.

May be looking at an addition if say Emmitt Thomas retires. Or Gibbs. Giving Al Harris more responsibility and say title of Defensive Pass Game Coordinator (yep teams are actually doing that, Atlanta and just this offseason GB) to groom him to possibly take over.

I'd like to hope Booger is right that we'd explore the Pittsburgh tree. But that just seems too far out of Reid's comfort zone. Spagnuolo is a safe pick. I'm not crazy about it, but it's an upgrade. Zimmer is risky, but if he can run his Dad's defense, the rewards are tremendous and you have Gibbs to mentor him along the way.

It doesn't have to be a press conference. A simple statement. They're no doubt being reached out to for comment and obviously have said nothing.

Reid has absolutely no connections there.

I would argue Zimmer is the most likely of the two...

4-3 is just too much to switch too right now. Say it's 4-3 under. The DL is virtually the same alignments in that and Sutton's scheme. Plenty of differences as well but when free agency, the draft, 4/5Tech, nose, and 3T you see plenty of the same players at those positions with KC, SEA, now GB with Pettine....they're interested in the same guys. But the LB's are different. Ragland would probably play mike or will but those ATL and SEA LB's are fast sideline run and chase guys. So we might think ok put Eligwe or KPL at the mike and Ragland at the will. Or even Ragland at the Otto (Sam-Bruce Irvin role) and use Houston at the Leo/Rush End. But Houston is a stud on the strong side. I don't know it's just risky and complicated unless it's a really good coordinator that isn't afraid to switch back to a 3-4 if need be. Not to mention we would need to get that many more DL with the switch.

As I recall when he was hired Reid wanted Monte Kiffen to run the 4-3 under, that was one of the rumors on CP. Then he wanted to interview Ray Horton from the cards but they blocked him and he later went to Cleveland when Arians hired Bowles. Then it was John Pagano who he wanted to talk to but they just hired McCoy and blocked Reid and of course he stayed in SD. So the way I see it I would take Horton but he really looks like the only option in the "it doesn't even look like Sutton will be fired" scenario. I'm sure he would scoop up James Bettcher though and he wouldn't be the only coach hot after him.

No..

That's what I mean. It wouldn't make sense when you consider him such a gift to fall into the lap of Reid and Veach at such a cheap price. Don't want to waste that now.

Back to the coaching staff, Similar to Sutton is Andy Heck. But how can you pin all the blame on him with Smith's history of taking a ton of sacks? Even more who the **** do you hire? Tom Cable got let go up in Seattle. Not much of an upgrade.

It keeps being suggested that they're waiting for someone currently in the playoffs, but other than maybe Zimmers kid... who would that be exactly?

Reid has a well known stubborn streak and propensity for hanging onto coaches in the face of intense pressure... lets face it, all of the fire Sutton hype will likely just make him double down on the guy, lest it look like he caved to fan/media pressure

And I wont be holding my breath about Heck, either

A commitment to mediocrity true fan.

Bob Sutton appreciates your support.

If I'm not mistaken, spags has run out of 3-4 and 4-3 under. Which is why I feel like this is the most realistic scenario.

I think Capers will retire.

I was a fan but after his run in GB I question his talent evaluation.

I think he was once a great mind who's time has come and gone.

For over a decade I begged we'd hire Lebeau and at this point I want him to retire and leave the game. He's ****ing 80. Retire. Enjoy your family.

IMHO I think that ****er will live to be 90. God bless him.

BTW if you want to look towards a "progressive" coach you start and begin with Lebeau.

You can line up black players who gave their all for that man and would back him up to this day. And he was about production, above all, but a hard assed man who was fair.

ummm why do they have to be black?

BECAUSE THEY WERE.

I'm sorry, black players and KEVIN GREENE made his defense.

Am I racist for stating that DOC ****ING SAVAGE played in the 90's?

I guess we'll just blow another 20+ point lead in a crucial game and have this conversation yet again...

When we the last time the Chiefs fired an offensive or defensive coordinator? I know we have fired head coaches which changed coordinators, but when was the last time we kept the same head coach and that coach fired an OC or DC? Was it vermeil axing Robinson?

Depending on who you believe about whether someone left or got fired. There are plenty during the haley years. Pendergast, Weis, Bill Muir. Before that, Solari was fired by herm and replaced with Chan Gailey.

The Chiefs aren't stupid.

An unbiased, objective viewpoint of the situation says:

1. The Chiefs won games for four years because their defense was remarkably good at preventing the opponent from scoring while forcing turnovers.

2. The Chiefs allowed 18.3 PPG over their last 8 games.

3. The Chiefs defense was a HUGE catalyst in getting this team into the playoffs.

4. Allowing 22 points in a playoff game is not a fireable offense.

Bob will be back.

No, hope not.

2 of the 4 worst choke jobs in playoff history.

Yep.

I wanted a change from Bob, just start fresh with a whole new era on both sides, but it should be clear now that Sutton is staying.

I think Reid is giving Sutton one more year to prove he can get this D back on track. If he can, he'll be back again, if not, Reid will hopefully make the change next year.

Probably want to give him some new talent to work with as well as getting Berry back and see what he can do.

If they play like they did over the last 8 games, we will win alot of games next year.

If he is, then he (Reid) should be fired now.

Yeah. Allowing a running back over 150 yards, and giving up over 200 rushing yards total when everyone in the world knows they are going to run. Great defense.

I swear half this fanbase are legally blind.

The truth is this defense played well enough to earn the #1 seed, and QB play screwed it up.

If we had a QB who could come through in the clutch against Pittsburgh, Buffalo and the Giants...13-3....#1 seed.

2 of the 4 worst choke jobs in playoff history.

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No one can deny that this D has us in position to beat PIT, BUF and NYG.

Chiefs defense gave up 27 or more points in 1/3 of their games. Good enough for the #1 seed guys!

It's all meaningless when they can't perform in the playoffs

I hold them to the same standards I hold Alex Smith. 11-5 is nice but what does it get us in January?

Only good performance by the defense in the playoffs was the Texans/Hoyer game

...why?

They are a mediocre defense that lacks talent.

Allowing 22 points was a miracle. And 10 of them came on a fluke play and a bad call.

Holding the Steelers to all field goals was a commendable performance, too, that should have resulted in a W.

Ya'll trying to make this a 2003 Chiefs defense situation and it just isn't. Not even close.

There isn't anything up with Sutton. Reid has never like firing his coaches and there's very little chance he fires Sutton.

Just like Andy isn't going to fire Andy Heck despite our offensive linemen almost never playing up to their potential. I wouldn't consider any of our offensive linemen polished. Schwartz is our best and he was trained elsewhere.