Mahomes should feel right at home after tonight.
 

The Chiefs looked like his old college team last year--

• No offensive line

• Play/momentum-killing penalties

• A tight end (Escobar) who couldn't catch a cold in an incubator

• No run game

• A defense that couldn't wrap up and tackle one-legged nuns playing for The Over-the-Sacred Hill Sisters of the Invalid.

The difference tonight versus his final season at Tech was that this evening, he showed discipline in doing what the coaches told him to do and not trying to freelance every play.

That TD pass he threw? Tech fans and alumni have seen that pass dozens of times. It's almost a Mahomes trademark--but it doesn't make the highlight reels because he makes it look too easy.

Stave just needs to go. He ain't it and never is going to be.

Conclusion: Mahomes got his first NFL game under his belt, stayed cool, made no major mistakes.

Mission accomplished.

JD

He'll look better with the first team


The backup offensive line is trash

#62 needs to be cut

Eh, I wouldn't blame Escobar too much for that failed endzone pass. Mahomes was just plain inaccurate on that throw and Escobar was open for a pretty long time on the play too. made it way more difficult than it needed to be.

Escobar went to the same alligator arm school that Albert Wilson went to

I saw Mahomes make plays called back on penalties. Showed the arm. Showed the improvision. I'm okay. He's playing with scrubs.

And apparently all of these guys who won't make the roster suck. Big ****ing surprise.

#2. Let him play with some guys who will actually be on the goddamn team.

How would you judge him compared to what the other rookie QBs did with pretty much the same handicaps in terms of talent level?

Trub? Kizer? Watson? And hell, even the guy playing on the other team, Beathard?

We had Escobar in Dallas last year. There's a reason he's gone.

Mahomes had Jace Amaro as a go-to tight-end at Tech. What I wouldn't give for him to have a Tony Gonzales in KC. . .

JD

Kelce is no Tony G but he is no slouch.

I liked Kizer, glad to see he played well.

Can't say I watched all those guys snap for snap though. Did you?

Beathard did a good job on that long one spotting the falling player, but overall our 3rd team DB's were shit. Huge openings. The scrub DB's just seemed mismatched against their scrub WR's, and the playcalling was more aggressive. That TD Mahomes threw was tightly played.

No comparison with Beathard tonight. When your running game can pulverize the defense, it opens up the passing game. Chiefs never had a chance to try that out as we had no running game, no blocking and no discipline (penalties).

As I stated in the original post--tonight was just another game for Mahomes except that he was wearing an arrowhead on his helmet rather than a double-T.

I don't think the other rookie quarterbacks had the penalty problems that KC had and they sure as hell had a better running game.

JD

As usual, this is one of those situations that blame can be applied equally.

I feel Mahomes could've thrown it lower without much risk.

I feel Escobar could've extended his hands past his elbows to grab it. I mean what is the point of a TE if you can't rely on him to go higher for the ball?

Patrick did a good job for his debut despite his team.


He should have earned all of second string reps and get to play after Alex in the next preseason game.

Tyler is a waste of time he is as good as third string and that's his ceiling there is no upside to Tyler Bray getting hold the second string spot.

Kizer looked the best of the group.

Then I'd say Mahomes had the second best day. JDKinsman is absolutely right. That TD pass is a play that other QBs in the NFL don't throw because they CAN'T. Throwing across your body even slightly is shunned in this league, and Mahomes makes it look effortless. He's going to use that a lot, and I don't think Reid and his staff are going to "coach" that out of him. Nor should they. THAT'S why you drafted this kid.

Trubisky was pretty good, though he looked a lot more erratic and less confident than Mahomes. He made big plays and didn't screw up, though. Not much more you can expect from a rookie.

Watson is the worst of the bunch. You were criticizing Mahomes earlier for his mechanics? What do you think Watson just put up yesterday? O

Two plays stand out in my mind and are evidently clear why Mahomes is a real professional QB and why Watson should take his talents to Canada if he wants a long term impact with a team. Those simple dig routes that Mahomes throws through tight windows--- one to Gehrig, and one to Robinson (again, called back on a penalty). Those were absolute dart throws. Tons of velocity with good location for the receiver to pick up on them without having to do a body contortion to have a shot at it. A throw Brett Favre has had success with hundreds of times with Donald Driver alone.

Those are the throws that make Mahomes so valuable. There are some very good starting QBs in the league right now who CAN'T make those simple 15-yard throws with the requisite velocity for a completion.

Watson is one of those guys who can't make those throws. You also compound that with his INACCURACY when even attempting a throw near the height of his velocity or throwing distance, and he becomes a real mess. Good playmaker, confident in the pocket (or whatever he would call one) and has a great clock in his head, knowing when he has to evade pressure. But he's got a problem with his arm-- the same problem that Doug Flutie had.

What i want to see next saturday is as follows:

Stave stays on the ****ing bench/holding a clipboard.

Mahomes plays with the number 2 team.

Bray cleans up whatever slop is left. That experiment is never going to come to fruition.

isaiah battle ****s himself on the sideline.

When mahomes is on the field, stop giving the rock to charcandrick west on 2nd and 3rd down. He is ****ing terrible. He killed a drive on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1.

Spiller jumps in front of west and plays more snaps.

Hunt gets more snaps.

Except they didn't have handicaps that Patrick had.

Hard for Pat to do shit when his first drive is destroyed by 15 yards of OL penalties taking his 41 yard throw off the board and his next drive being forced to go for a FG bc his RB can't get 1 yard on 2nd and 1 or 3rd and 1.

He was 7/9 with a TD and no INT's. With that pile of shit, it was a good showing.

I'm actually annoyed West got so many snaps. I know he has seniority, but this isn't a union or a frat. It's a meritocracy.

I was getting shit on in other threads for saying west was shit and spiller is a better option to keep around.

I would rather have cyrus gray and darrin reaves back than go into this season with west still on the roster.

People don't want to see Stave, but he is serving a purpose. He is allowing someone to take the snaps with the bubble o-line players. I doubt you guys want Mahomes doing that instead.

no i dont want mahomes doing that. I want bray doing that like he should be.

Mahomes already showed he is more ready to handle the situation than bray. Bray can eat sacks behind that shitty oline. He is big enough to take the hits.

Hey Stave had a better career than Russell Wilson at Wisconsin

when you are in the league, no team accomplishments from college matter anymore.

You're right.

That's what Bray's for.

Whether you like it, or not, Bray is the #2, so it will currently be Mahomes or Stave. I chose Stave.

Maybe that will change, but it is how it is.

You know that's a load of bull. NFL QB's don't make that throw unless it's wide open because, more likely than not, it is an INT. A floater late and across the body at the goal-line is almost never a good idea when you're playing against a starting NFL D. If he tries that exact same throw vs the Broncos or any other decent defense, 9 times out of 10 that's an INT.

I thought Trub was easily the best out of all the rookie QBs followed by Kizer. Watson was just alright.

The kid who impressed me the most was the guy who played against us today, Beathard. Wasn't expecting him to do much, had one really bad throw that should have been intercepted, but was pretty solid otherwise. Could end up being another Cousins.

As for Mahomes, I didn't come away feeling impressed or down on him. He has a good arm but didn't show me anything I didn't expect, either positively or negatively. Honestly though, I think a large chunk of that would have to do with Reid's play calling more than anything else.

It's the Pre-season, let the QBs spread it out more instead of constantly running the freaken screen plays (yes, I realize that Reid needs to run his offense and the guys need practice setting up screens in live situations against other teams as it is a large part of Reid's offense).

It would have been nice to see both Mahomes and Bray in a 2-minute situation where the screen plays go out the window.

:LOL:

ehh, i dont think that bray is long for that number two spot.

They're all rookie QBs playing with the 2nd/3rd team offenses. That's about as even of a playing field as you're going to get when comparing them at this point. You're acting like Pat is the only one playing with those disadvantages while everyone else has perfection surrounding them.

Every play is it's own situation.

It's one thing when you're judging from a larger body of work, like a game or a season. We're judging on 20 snaps with a LOT of variables.

I'm looking at what he did individually with what was happening. I'm saying to you right now their scrubs outplayed our scrubs on both sides of the ball. Do you disagree?

big difference between playing with 2nd team players that are going to make it onto the roster, and playing with 3rd team scrubs/camp bodies.

People keep bashing Stave, but there are no cutdowns anymore. They are probably going to ride Stave all the way to the end. If someone gets hurt, he might make the team.

Marcus Rush was impressive tonight

Watson played with the 2nd team and a ton of guys who will make the 53. Overall I think Pat did well with the hand he was dealt.

Trubisky was the one everyone was impressed with in the media, but IMO Kizer looked the best this week.

Mahomes had some time with the 2nd team when he came in during the 2nd quarter.

All of the other rookies also played a bit with the 2nd team but mostly the 3rd team units. Hell, Trubisky was the 3rd QB on the field for the Bears, he came in for the 2 minute drill before the half for the Bears. Kizer didn't play until the 3rd quarter, doubt he got any time with the 2nd team at all. Watson was the one who had the most time with the 2nd team unit.

But watson and trubisky each got 25 attempts, Kizer got 18 attempts. And Mahomes first drive was killed by a hold and a false start. I dont want to sound like im making excuses but the kid did what he was asked and what he could with what was around him.

Mahomes made a couple nice throws but he also had a couple bad ones to- That 1sr throw was actually not very good- in the area but it was under thrown, Robinson had his man beat by 5 feet- Mahomes gets that placed out in front and it's a TD- Instead of Robinson having to slow up to catch it and getting tackled- Smith had exact call on his 1st snap and made an NFL throw- put it in front of Hill allowing him to scoot for more yards

Mahomes sack could have been avoided too

Grade- C

This was a penalty fest. Yes, they all played with backups, but I don't remember the other QBs having every big play called back with penalties. I thought he looked very good for his first game.

Looked good and will improve by leaps and bounds. I say over and under is 8 games in before we have a QB controversy.

Nelson shouldn't be the 2nd CB behind Peters. Guy needs to stick w/ playing the nickel.

What does next year is all that matters. He can fugg up all over pre season for all I care. Give him all the reps with the ones from the start next year and watch him two and take off.

He's a playmaker.

Smith has been doing this for 10 years. Mahomes played his first game? How can you give him a C? Even if you're not grading him on a curve he didn't play badly.

Mahomes had two bigger plays called back. Not only did he lose yards. Half of his drives forced him into long yardage situations. A situation that Alex Smith has always struggled with. Didn't help that his supporting cast gave him no help. No protection, no running game, receivers with zero ball skills. Only part of his game that I hoped would be better was he threw a couple of throws on the run way off the mark. I'll chalk that up to first game jitters. But for a rookie whose reputation is to be a gunslinger, I think the fact that he didn't make dumb decisions yet had a few plays where he threw a tough ball makes this a very good night. For a first game, this is B+ to A-

In a short time, you can see Andy Reid rubbing off on him. That looked like a later career version of McNabb last night. I actually think a lot of the prescripted screens will help mahomes early on by slowing his tempo down. Unlike Alex, you can get away with more of those short loss passes because mahomes can make up yards in big chunks whereas Alex usually needs all three downs. Reid never minded McNabbs improvising and mahomes showed decent pocket awareness, elusiveness, and ability to throw on the run. But despite the improv He looked yesterday like a guy willing to play within an offense. That's very McNabb like except mahomes will evolve into a smarter more accurate qb. A lot of that is Reid. But maybe we're seeing that when he feels like he doesn't have to score a td on every possession, he knows how to dial himself back.

I wasn't impressed by Mahomes at all but I know he is young and that was his first game.

He'll get better and I think eventually will turn into a very good QB but as of right now this kid is very raw. He needs time. As a Chiefs fan I am obviously rooting for him.

What I did like - his ability to extend plays. Seems like he has pretty good pocket awareness which is great to see. You can't teach that.

I'm hoping what everyone is remembering is that Mahomes was drafted with the understanding that QBs like Watson are farther along in their development. They're closer to what they will be as a finished product. Mahomes has the most raw ability of any of them. He still does. What he is in a couple of quarters of preseason football doesn't matter (even though he was good). He has the ability to be the best QB in this class three years from now.

C is an average score.. which is what is expected from a rookie QB.. Not bad, but not great.. missed on a couple bad throws and his 1st throw was to short... That probably gets picked in the regular season-

Threw some screens, nothing to get excited about- hit a couple nice ones across the middle- Took a bad sack, Didnt see him take a snap from center and setup to pass.. Probably a good thing.. I would have done the same as Reid.. let him take some snaps from center and hand the ball off.. makes sense.. Andy's doing the right thing...

But yeah- avg to good start- Coulda been worse, and I've seen worse from rookie QB's

He's got a long way to go but he seems to have the skills for a coach to fix-

Watson can't make this throw. And that's why we took Mahomes over him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMNchi...56799074119680

LOL- Watson made throws like that all the time at Clemson.. Do you even football?

Agreed 1000%

[QUOTE=cmdrzman;13007474]Mahomes made a couple nice throws but he also had a couple bad ones to- That 1sr throw was actually not very good- in the area but it was under thrown, Robinson had his man beat by 5 feet- Mahomes gets that placed out in front and it's a TD- Instead of Robinson having to slow up to catch it and getting tackled- Smith had exact call on his 1st snap and made an NFL throw- put it in front of Hill allowing him to scoot for more yards

Mahomes sack could have been avoided too

Grade- C[/

You are such a ****ing idiot. Grade F for your troll job. Try harder next time dipshit! :shake:

LMFAO! No he did not. Do YOU even (watch) football?

ROFL

Not impressed with only missing 2 passes and posted a 126 QBR with an improvised TD? In his first game? Huge bomb on his first NFL pass?

You need to take your Alex Super Hero glasses off to watch the next game.

I was watching with friends who are not Chief fans and they said the same thing.

That huge bomb was a bad pass. It was underthrown. It should have been an easy TD.

I think Mahomes is going to be great eventually. I just don't think he is there yet. Sure his stats were good but most of his throws were quick one-read passes pretty much any QB can make.

I'm excited to see what he does next game.

[QUOTE=Halfcan;13007557]He is an idiot, but he's got a point on the throw to Robinson - the ball was under thrown.

Still, you're correct that he gets an "F" and he is a dipshit that should try harder next time....

only NOW.. and only for him.. is the QBR presented as some form of evidence of excellent play.

LMAO... think about it.

Who else said excellent but you?

So his First NFL pass, which was a big completion, was a bit underthrown- how disappointing.

It is a good thing Alex never underthrows wide open receivers huh?

As one of the most vocal Alex supporters on here, it is hard to believe you can be unbiased no matter what PM2 does. Hopefully, he continues to improve and I think he will- but considering that was his FIRST game it is silly people are being so critical of him. It is almost like they were hoping he would fail-so they could say- Because Chiefs.

Numbers mean jack, especially QBR.

Watson 15 play 75 yard drive was awesome. He cut Carolina's defense to pieces. He will earn the starting job. He looked the most ready and the best to me. He has all the intangibles. His arm strength and accuracy are good enough.

[QUOTE=Halfcan;13007557]Grade of C

I didnt see Mahomes march down the field at any time last night- whats the longest yards he got in one possesion like 30 yards or some sh*t?

I disagree that I am being harsh on him. I simply said I was not impressed but I think that he has a ton of potential. That doesn't mean I thought he sucked.

I am not hoping Mahomes fails. As a Chiefs fan I hope he turns out to be the next Brady but at the same time I'm not going get excited just because he is a 1st rd draft pick. I want to see something that impresses me before I get too excited and I have that right. I didn't see anything last night that got me that excited. That's just being honest.

To be fair that's to be expected it's his first preseason game and he barely played. He could have a bad first year and still turn out to be great so I'm not concerned at all. I'm going to be patient with him.

Just because he is a rookie doesn't mean he isn't allowed to get criticized.

Which stats would be better for you

Completion% PM-77.8 % Alex 66.7

QBR PM- 126.4 Alex-91

Touchdowns PM 1 Alex 0

One of the QB's was playing in his first game ever, the one with the lesser stats was not.

The writing is on the wall for your dream hunk.

This is a fair stance.

Yeah, let's compare a rookies very first pass ever to a 12 year veterans first pass in preseason. For one, it's a huge life moment. For the other, it's as ordinary as getting out of bed.


Alex also had much, much better protection. The 49ers kept guys like Aaron Lynch and Reuben Foster (and a few other starters I think) to face Mahomes. Mahomes had nothing but UDFA around him, and horrendous protection.

Mahomes played well. He had the highest QBR (Alex-only fans should love that) of all three QB today. None of his passes were touched by a 49er. Bray (and even Smith) cannot say the same

Glad we got Mahomes

Great post-thanks for clarifying. I was just trying to put it in perspective. You were impressed with Alex and his 15 TD's all last season and a horrible playoff choke job- but very unimpressed with a rookie QB coming off a week or so of practice and putting up better stats than all the other QB's on the roster. I think people should be more disappointed how the Chiefs could look like absolute shit and lose to the ****ing 49ers at home- preseason or not. pathetic.

My expectations and hopes- were that he would not get hurt, not throw a bunch of interceptions and could take a snap under center and make a play of it. All those things came to fruition as he showed flashes of why he will eventually be the best QB to ever wear red.

It is such a luxury that he can sit and learn for a year, grow stronger in mind and body- next year will be amazing!

[QUOTE=cmdrzman;13007604]Charcandrick West, and the offensive line, pretty much killed all of his drives.

His two incompletions were well placed balls that only Escobar had a chance to catch (which he didnt mostly because he ****ing sucks.)

If he is playing with Kelce, at least one of those incompletions is a touchdown.

Fans need to think with their head and not their heart. If Smith goes down in week 2, do you really think Mahomes will be ready to win games? Probably not. He likely becomes QB2 later in the season when he has a better grasp of the play book.

Not to mention Solomon.

He and Lynch should be incarcerated for the way they abused the Chiefs 3rd string OL.

Do you honestly think bray gives this team a better chance to win games than mahomes does?

[QUOTE=cmdrzman;13007604]Had more to do with play calling than anything... What you SHOULD have seen is a QB that when protection broke down around the goal line, kept his cool, looked at several options, scrambled out of trouble, and threw to the endzone and put the ball BOTH times where only his guy could catch it. THAT means something.

It's just one game. Reid see's something in Bray. I don't know what it is, but there is a reason he is the 2.

[QUOTE=bigjosh006;13007635]Spiller has had a much better camp than West. I have never been that impressed with West, seems he is always hurt. West has been in the tent all camp so it is not surprising he was shut down.

Escobar has been making plays so far- maybe he just got the jitters knowing he was about to catch his first TD in red? Hopefully he bounces back.

[QUOTE=cmdrzman;13007604]Had more to do with play calling than anything I believe... What I saw is a rookie QB that looked in control most of the time, especially when protection broke down around the goal line, kept his cool, looked at several options, scrambled out of trouble, and threw to the endzone and put the ball where only his guy could catch it. THAT means something.

I keep hearing about Bray finally knowing the playbook- did he show it out there? He looks the same as he ever has. If games were played in shorts with no pressure and Bray could just stand back there launching bombs-he would be your guy. Put him in live action and he sucks.

As far as PM2 having to come in and win games- YES I think he could. Would he play perfect-no- the rest of the team would have to step up and cover for his inexperience- but he would be a leader and make plays. Can you say the same for Tyler Thigpen Bray?

He is the number 2 right now by default.

You cant just jump Mahomes up on the depth chart in the first week of training camp, you have to make them earn it. Every one of our rookies is buried on the depth chart right now. It wont be like that come week one.

If Watson threw that ball, it's a pick. At best, the defender knocks it away for an incompletion.

Idiot.

Of course it is, but that's not the point.

The point is.. and as expected.. the hypocrisy.

Posting numbers like QBR and completion % for 1 QB is invalid...

Yet doing the same for another QB is somehow valid.



Let me know if you are still too confused to understand the point.

Yes. Because he knows the playbook. Mahomes is long term better upside but near term lots of mistakes.

cumdumpsterman speaks with fear every time he talks about Mahomes. It's plain as day. He sounds like Chiefs fans who shit on Derek Carr back when Carr was in his first year as a starting QB.

Trolling is his defense mechanism. It's all he's got to protect his feelings from the truth that his team's asshole is about to get royally abused year after year from Mahomes. Just like it is now with Alex Smith at the helm.

And that's a scary thing.

The Chiefs have invested a ton of time and money into Bray because he "looks" like a QB. Now they have a real future Franchise QB and need to divert that training to PM2. Forget about Bray.

If Bray holds the number 2 spot after that performance- it will only be hurting PM2's development. Hopefully, they won't be that recalcitrant.

There was a Chiefs QB on the field last night who made a couple of poor ****ing choices, but it wasn't Mahomes. And I'm not talking about Stave, either.