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Direckshun 01-17-2017 01:44 PM

Alright, so WHO do you replace Alex with?
 
I'm in favor like everybody else on this board (and 85% of the NFL) of upgrading at QB.

But there is nobody to do that with.

It's easy to say it should be done.

Which of these steps are you willing to take?

Poll coming.

carcosa 01-17-2017 01:50 PM

my dad

The Franchise 01-17-2017 01:51 PM

Cut/Trade Smith.
Re-sign Foles. (optional)
Trade up for Kizer.

LoneWolf 01-17-2017 01:51 PM

Direckshun's whore mother.

Aspengc8 01-17-2017 01:52 PM

I'd rather fix the play calling than replace Alex.The last few games before the steelers, offense was moving the ball fine. Why? Because they were running on first and second down, and putting Alex in 3rd & 3-5 yards. That scheme was completely abandoned against the steelers. Andy's fault or Childress? Who is actually calling the plays? Trying to stop Kelce, Maclin, Hill, Ware and spy Alex on third and short is literally impossible.

Why Not? 01-17-2017 01:54 PM

Anyone have a gif of the scene in Christmas Vacation where the boss says

"Get me someone! Anyone! And get me someone while I'm waiting!"

ptlyon 01-17-2017 01:54 PM

Batman

ptlyon 01-17-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693385)
Direckshun's whore mother.

ROFL

carcosa 01-17-2017 01:57 PM

just ****ing draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round god dammit. don't wait for the perfect QB draft class, because that doesn't exist. just find a talented guy you like who fits in the system (or who could grow into the system) and ****ing TRY FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!!!

jjchieffan 01-17-2017 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 12693386)
I'd rather fix the play calling than replace Alex.The last few games before the steelers, offense was moving the ball fine. Why? Because they were running on first and second down, and putting Alex in 3rd & 3-5 yards. That scheme was completely abandoned against the steelers. Andy's fault or Childress? Who is actually calling the plays? Trying to stop Kelce, Maclin, Hill, Ware and spy Alex on third and short is literally impossible.

The return of the RRPP offense.

Discuss Thrower 01-17-2017 01:58 PM

Offer Detroit Alex Smith and no more than the value of a 2017 1st rounder + a single 3rd-5th rounder for Stafford and at least a 2017 2nd.

Slightly rougher cap hit for Stafford than Smith without severely handicapping ability to draft for other team needs in 2017 which is what it would take to draft a rookie QB this season.

KC_Lee 01-17-2017 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12693382)
Cut/Trade Smith.
Re-sign Foles. (optional)
Trade up for Kizer.

I'll take this all day and twice on Sunday.

BlackHelicopters 01-17-2017 02:01 PM

Get a true OC. Design aggressive game plans.

rico 01-17-2017 02:02 PM

Cut/trade Smith.
Retain Foles.
Draft Davis Webb.

Rasputin 01-17-2017 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693385)
Direckshun's whore mother.

Is she even available?


Oh wait of course she is :)

Mr. Kotter 01-17-2017 02:06 PM

We don't have any really good choice. Draft a 2nd or 3rd rounder, and cross your fingers. Have Smith groom him, and if an injury happens--who knows. If Smith ends up as the guy again, Reid better take the reins off. To hell with losing a couple of games due to turn-overs, if we can trade those losses for wins with Smith playing more aggressively.

We've tried it the safe way enough with Smith; might as well try something else. I just don't know if Andy and Alex are up for it.

gblowfish 01-17-2017 02:08 PM

I don't want a QB named "Mitch." You know within two or three games we'll all be calling him "Bitch."

Rooster 01-17-2017 02:09 PM

Cut/Trade Smith
Retain Foles
Draft a freaking QB early

Direckshun 01-17-2017 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693385)
Direckshun's whore mother.

LMAO

How's Eric Fisher working out for you?

Reerun_KC 01-17-2017 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12693446)
LMAO

How's Eric Fisher working out for you?

Leaned on him in the biggest game in decades.... Results were very #1 over all Chiefy like.

carcosa 01-17-2017 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 12693435)
I don't want a QB named "Mitch." You know within two or three games we'll all be calling him "Bitch."

or mINTch

ptlyon 01-17-2017 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 12693435)
I don't want a QB named "Mitch." You know within two or three games we'll all be calling him "Bitch."

Mitch, mitch a sonofabitch, a dirty one who sucks the penis and a twitch in a ditch. His name is mitch.

LoneWolf 01-17-2017 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12693446)
LMAO

How's Eric Fisher working out for you?

I'm not Eric Fisher's personal trainer, but I did pull a train on your mother last night.

Direckshun 01-17-2017 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693486)
I'm not Eric Fisher's personal trainer, but I did pull a train on your mother last night.

Working out that well for you, is he?

LoneWolf 01-17-2017 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12693490)
Working out that well for you, is he?

I'm not sure why you are referencing Eric Fisher in an Alex Smith thread. Are you suggesting that KC should have drafted a QB instead of Fisher? If so, I'd like to know which one. Fisher has proven to be one of the most productive players at the top of that draft class.

I am waiting along with Sorter for you to clarify your statement that Phillip Rivers is the perfect QB for Reid's offense.

-King- 01-17-2017 02:43 PM

If we can trade up to get Watson, I'd do it


All the other QBs will be long gone or we'll have to trade too far up to be a good idea.
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ptlyon 01-17-2017 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693486)
I'm not Eric Fisher's personal trainer, but I did pull a train on your mother last night.

Damn son, full of em today ROFL

Hoover 01-17-2017 02:46 PM

Why would we replace PRO-BOWL QB Alex Smith?

Direckshun 01-17-2017 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693521)
I'm not sure why you are referencing Eric Fisher in an Alex Smith thread. Are you suggesting that KC should have drafted a QB instead of Fisher? If so, I'd like to know which one. Fisher has proven to be one of the most productive players at the top of that draft class.

I just remember you rising to his defense in DraftPlanet. Was wondering if you were still singing his praises.

It seems that you are.

MTG#10 01-17-2017 02:49 PM

I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.

DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 02:49 PM

A) Foles

and

B) Trade up for Tribusky or
C) Trade up for Kizer or
D) Take Mahomes in 2 or
E) Trade up for Watson or
F) Load up on picks for a QB next year

Foles can be a band-aid until one of the rooks develop or we grab one in '18.

I can't back Smith again. Not after that GIF.

O.city 01-17-2017 02:50 PM

**** foles.

Cut them both, roll with rookie.

loochy 01-17-2017 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 12693551)
I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.

I voted for that (among other things too)


but it's behind this one:

ALL IN FOR WATSON

dls6501 01-17-2017 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 12693440)
Cut/Trade Smith
Retain Foles
Draft a freaking QB early

This is what I want. Foles and/or a rookie QB would have zero problem matching Alex's production.

LoneWolf 01-17-2017 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12693542)
I just remember you rising to his defense in DraftPlanet. Was wondering if you were still singing his praises.

It seems that you are.

Really? Find posts of me rising to Fisher's defense. If I did, it was only to argue with the Geno Smith reeruns. By the way, anyone defending the Fisher pick back then has been proven to be right.

carcosa 01-17-2017 02:52 PM

Trade Alex Smith for Aaron Rodgers straight up. Green Bay would be getting great value based on draft position, so I think they'd go for it.

loochy 01-17-2017 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12693568)
Trade Alex Smith for Aaron Rodgers straight up. Green Bay would be getting great value based on draft position, so I think they'd go for it.

Yeah! I mean they are getting a freakin PRO BOWLER here

Titty Meat 01-17-2017 02:53 PM

Romo

Fish 01-17-2017 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 12693551)
I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.

I like his talent, but he's a whiny ****. I don't want him mentoring our QBOTF...

carcosa 01-17-2017 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 12693569)
Yeah! I mean they are getting a freakin PRO BOWLER here

Aaron probably won't even be able to play in the Pro Bowl this year!!!

loochy 01-17-2017 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 12693603)
Aaron probably won't even be able to play in the Pro Bowl this year!!!

pssh, what a loser

Mr. Laz 01-17-2017 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12693407)
Offer Detroit Alex Smith and no more than the value of a 2017 1st rounder + a single 3rd-5th rounder for Stafford and at least a 2017 2nd.

Slightly rougher cap hit for Stafford than Smith without severely handicapping ability to draft for other team needs in 2017 which is what it would take to draft a rookie QB this season.

Why in the **** would Detroit make that trade?

Rooster 01-17-2017 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12693611)
Why in the **** would Detroit make that trade?

ROFL I'm glad someone asked the question.

RealSNR 01-17-2017 03:11 PM

Alex is a valuable trade chip to get draft stock back. I wanted to keep him one more year and draft his backup, but if we've got to get moving and shaking in the draft, it may make more sense to trade him now and use his value in a deal for a higher pick/QB.

No way this will happen, but if reality were like Madden, I'd throw Alex at San Diego for Philip Rivers. Supplement with extra draft picks as needed.

Direckshun 01-17-2017 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693567)
Really? Find posts of me rising to Fisher's defense.

Alrighty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12647156)
Fisher is a piano player. And at left tackle, that's fine.

At guards, you need piano lifters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12647185)
If "that's fine" at left tackle, then why the comment about needing a new LT?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12647300)
I don't think we need a new left tackle. But Fisher isn't exactly winning the line of scrimmage. He's not plowing people or getting a ton of push.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12647886)
I'd argue that Fisher is an above average run blocker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12648369)
You showed zero evidence to back up your argument that Fisher isn't winning the line of scrimmage when the Chiefs try to run the ball downhill.

Well, consider this playoff game Exhibit A.

LoneWolf 01-17-2017 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12693625)
Alrighty.











Well, consider this playoff game Exhibit A.

Because of one questionable holding call? You're nuttier than a fruit cake.

Fisher is an above average LT. He is an adequate run blocker. When KC did run the ball vs. Pitt, they averaged over 4 yds per carry.

LT is very low on the priority list for improvements in the offseason.

I win.

Direckshun 01-17-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693629)
Because of one questionable holding call? You're nuttier than a fruit cake.

Fisher is an above average LT. He is an adequate run blocker. When KC did run the ball vs. Pitt, they averaged over 4 yds per carry.

LT is very low on the priority list for improvements in the offseason.

I win.

Heh. Well you're certainly rising to Fisher's defense now.

I'm not arguing, and have never argued, that we should replace Fisher.

I'm arguing he's not winning the line of scrimmage against a tough front seven. He's primarily a finesse player.

But have it your way.

RealSNR 01-17-2017 03:20 PM

If we can find a set of cyborg legs, we should trade for Teddy Bridgewater and perform some surgery.

Discuss Thrower 01-17-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12693611)
Why in the **** would Detroit make that trade?

Because they're a franchise that's slightly worse than KC and there's some that don't think Stafford can get the job done any more.

I definitely wouldn't bet a mortgage on it happening, but it's about the only veteran for veteran trade that makes sense player, cap and draft wise in a vacuum.

King_Chief_Fan 01-17-2017 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12693611)
Why in the **** would Detroit make that trade?

Why would the Chiefs make that trade?

RealSNR 01-17-2017 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 12693642)
Why would the Chiefs make that trade?

Because we're getting a QB who can throw for more than 15 ****ing TDs in a goddamn season.

Black Bob 01-17-2017 03:25 PM

Desean Watson but I doubt we'd have to trade much if anything to get him. His footwork is terrible but he's smart and I think it can be fixed in time.

Rain Man 01-17-2017 03:27 PM

I went with Rivers or trade up for that Watson guy that I know nothing about but keep hearing about. I also said that I don't really know just to cover my bases.

DaneMcCloud 01-17-2017 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12693553)
A) Foles

and

B) Trade up for Tribusky or
C) Trade up for Kizer or
D) Take Mahomes in 2 or
E) Trade up for Watson or
F) Load up on picks for a QB next year

Foles can be a band-aid until one of the rooks develop or we grab one in '18.

I can't back Smith again. Not after that GIF.

Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.

LoneWolf 01-17-2017 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12646889)
The Chiefs offense completely changes when the offensive line controls the line of scrimmage. We are two guards (and let's face it: a left tackle) away from doing that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12693636)
I'm not arguing, and have never argued, that we should replace Fisher.

:hmmm:

Direckshun 01-17-2017 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12693653)
:hmmm:

Yeah but I'm fine with a left tackle that's not much of a mauler so long as he's keeping the backside clean. I have no forgiveness for that, however, from a guard.

Fisher's done a decent enough a job of that this season. Hopefully he continues to improve.

Black Bob 01-17-2017 03:31 PM

What about Bortles? You think Reid could fix him?

Direckshun 01-17-2017 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12693651)
Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.

Oh balls, I forgot to include Garopollo as an option.

Reerun_KC 01-17-2017 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12693651)
Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.


:eek:

Wow Dane....

I dropped NFLST when Herm was hired and have looked back... NFL Mobile does what I need it to do... Especially if its a beautiful Sunday in the heartland, I would rather be on the golf course with my son listening to the game than in front of a TV.

Reerun_KC 01-17-2017 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Bob (Post 12693655)
What about Bortles? You think Reid could fix him?

Reid isnt a QB Guru... That myth needs to stop...

But a QB like Bortles could flourish under Reids offense....

Bewbies 01-17-2017 03:33 PM

If you can't get one of the guys you see as best or 2nd best option at QB, I'm moving back and loading up on picks for next year.

I'd also be okay with getting Rivers as a stop gap for 2-3 years if you drafted a guy who needed a red shirt.

The Franchise 01-17-2017 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12693651)
Hell at this point, I'd trade for Garopollo if it meant no Alex Smith.

I've been a past supporter but if he's the starting QB in 2017, I'll seriously question whether or not I purchase the Sunday Ticket for the 15 consecutive year.

I won't be. I'm done paying to watch games that he's starting in.

Reerun_KC 01-17-2017 03:36 PM

Sure got quiet around here now that the ballwashers are gone...

Bring back Clay? LOL!

O.city 01-17-2017 03:38 PM

Reid gets the most out of a qb he can. He's not taking Alex smith to Aaron rodgers, but he got him to perform at his peak capabilities.

That's not the case anymore, so move on

Jerm 01-17-2017 03:40 PM

Trade Alex for whatever and then do what you must to move up and draft Watson...

RealSNR 01-17-2017 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12693664)
Sure got quiet around here now that the ballwashers are gone...

Bring back Clay? LOL!

Nah, I don't think Clay is better than Alex Smith at QB.

We do need him here, though.

CaliforniaChief 01-17-2017 03:43 PM

I voted for DeShaun Watson because he has moxie and all the physical tools I like in a QB. He wins big games.

But in the meantime, I'd keep Foles around and let him be the starter in 2017.

Would you trade Alex within the division? If so, San Diego. Other teams who could be interested:
Washington (depending on what happens with Cousins)
Cleveland (because Cleveland)
Chicago
San Francisco (LOL)
LA Rams
Houston
Buffalo
New York Jets

The Franchise 01-17-2017 03:46 PM

**** trying to trade him. Cut his stupid ass.

Coochie liquor 01-17-2017 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 12693551)
I'm the only one that likes the idea of Rivers? In this offense with our play-makers he'd tear shit up. I still want to draft a QB high obviously, but our window isn't going to last forever.

I'd be down with Rivers and draft a qb next year

CaliforniaChief 01-17-2017 03:50 PM

I'm fine with that too. Time to move on.

I mean, we've been treating the same disease with the same medicine and getting the same results.

I hear the people saying "It's not Alex's fault." Ok, but Alex is the sign of a mentality in the organization, and moving on from him sends the message that nothing but championship contention is acceptable. That message MUST be sent. NOW.

The team needs it, the fans demand it, and the results cry out for it.

KChiefs1 01-17-2017 03:56 PM

Alright, so WHO do you replace Alex with?
 
Step one: Trade All-Pro QB Alex Smith for a 2nd round pick.

Step two: Use pick to trade up to get a QB in the first round.

Step three: Start Nick Foles next year while the rookie learns Andy's system.

Step four: Rookie starts in 2018.


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DJ's left nut 01-17-2017 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12693658)
Reid isnt a QB Guru... That myth needs to stop...

But a QB like Bortles could flourish under Reids offense....

He might be Joel Quenneville. Quenneville was the Blues coach for years and that guy could take a bag of dicks to 98 points and a playoff spot. He could also take 3 scoring lines and 4 All-Star Caliber defensemen to 105 points and a playoff spot.

I called him a socialist coach because he pretty much pulled EVERYBODY to the middle. If you were a stud, you looked slightly better than Mike Eastwood (don't bother to look this person up, just take my word for it; he was not good).

That may be Andy. It's possible he's developed the kind of offensive system that papers over mediocre quarterbacks but would also serve to keep truly great one from excelling.

But if we draft one, he'll at least be cheap. If we have a coach that has built a system that can make any old JAG a 90 rated passer, then let's just go with any old JAG, just as long as he's cost controlled.

Mr. Laz 01-17-2017 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Bob (Post 12693655)
What about Bortles? You think Reid could fix him?

Bortles would get destroyed in our offense, he's not mobile enough.

Reid is not some offense genius or QB guru. He's just a coach.

I don't think any of our players on offense are living up to their potential.

Oline should be better
WRs should be better
Even the QBs should be better (Foles looked just like Smith when he was in there)

Our offensive staff is nothing special.

kccrow 01-17-2017 04:07 PM

I wonder if Cleveland would take a 1st and 3rd this year and a 1st in 2018 along with Alex Smith for the #1 pick? Rams gave up a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st and 3rd to move up 15 to 1. 27 is about another 2nd round pick away, so I'm valuing Smith at two 2nd's and a 3rd, which might be too much but its Cleveland and they have a baseball guy running the show.

Retain Foles. Trade Alex to Cleveland. Draft Trubisky and develop on the bench for a year.

Madden style deal for the win.

New World Order 01-17-2017 04:07 PM

I don't think it would take that much to get Rivers.

He'd cost a hell of a lot less than Romo.

kccrow 01-17-2017 04:08 PM

SD isn't going to trade Rivers to KC, guaranteed.

Bewbies 01-17-2017 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12693731)
Bortles would get destroyed in our offense, he's not mobile enough.

Reid is not some offense genius or QB guru. He's just a coach.

I don't think any of our players on offense are living up to their potential.

Oline should be better
WRs should be better
Even the QBs should be better (Foles looked just like Smith when he was in there)

Our offensive staff is nothing special.

Everyone on our offense would look a lot better if we had a better QB. Look at how much better our pieces are than a lot of the top offenses in the league...

CaliforniaChief 01-17-2017 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12693739)
LA isn't going to trade Rivers to KC, guaranteed.

FYP

kccrow 01-17-2017 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 12693766)
FYP

TY for that. They really do need to keep that franchise in SD. LA would be a disaster.

Steve Sewell 01-17-2017 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12693407)
Offer Detroit Alex Smith and no more than the value of a 2017 1st rounder + a single 3rd-5th rounder for Stafford and at least a 2017 2nd.

Slightly rougher cap hit for Stafford than Smith without severely handicapping ability to draft for other team needs in 2017 which is what it would take to draft a rookie QB this season.

This isn't Madden.


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