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DaFace 11-28-2016 01:25 PM

NYT Playoff Simulator is up for 2016
 
I don't know about you guys, but I loved this thing last year. It's similar to cdcox's old forecasting software and is lots of fun for seeing how our chances at the playoffs shift in various scenarios.

League-wide view:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...f-picture.html

Chiefs view:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...f-picture.html

DaFace 11-28-2016 01:29 PM

Here's the current odds of various scenarios:

http://i.imgur.com/p9OrCjE.png

I also love having it as a rooting guide each week. Most of the time, the important games are obvious, but it's nice to have confirmation on which games impact our chances the most:

http://i.imgur.com/5aEy4u6.png

So in short, we want the Ravens to beat the Dolphins next week and the Broncos to lose. The Raiders are a strange one. In terms of our chances of MAKING THE PLAYOFFS, we actually want the Raiders to beat the bills (though obviously we'll be aiming our sights higher than just getting in).

New World Order 11-28-2016 01:29 PM

This team is winning the goddamn division.

ThaVirus 11-28-2016 01:35 PM

I tried to go conservative and had us dropping @ ATL, OAK, and DEN while winning TEN and SD.

That had us at 50% to get the 5 seed, 42% to get the 6 and 6% chance at missing the playoffs entirely.

KChiefs1 11-28-2016 01:39 PM

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DaFace 11-28-2016 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12584175)
I tried to go conservative and had us dropping @ ATL, OAK, and DEN while winning TEN and SD.

That had us at 50% to get the 5 seed, 42% to get the 6 and 6% chance at missing the playoffs entirely.

Yeah, if we can win 3 of the next 5, we're in. 2 of the next 5, and we're most likely in. 1 of the next 5, and we're most likely out.

Not a bad situation to be in.

DaFace 11-28-2016 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12584198)

538's model has a long tail and still thinks the Raiders are mediocre. Unless we can get them to drop a game they'll be favored in, it's gonna be tough for us to win the division.

But really, it'll most likely come down to the game at Arrowhead.

New World Order 11-28-2016 01:48 PM

No way Oakland goes into Denver and beats a healthy Denver team.

Then they have to beat us at Arrowhead.

KChiefs1 11-28-2016 01:50 PM

Took some screen shots for quick rooting interests in weeks 13-16:

Chiefs to get the #1 seed.
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The deeper the color the more important the outcome. Obviously the Chiefs need to keep winning.


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WhawhaWhat 11-28-2016 01:51 PM

Hopefully the Bills will fight for a playoff spot and pull off a win against the Raiders.

CaliforniaChief 11-28-2016 02:00 PM

The reality is that we're absolutely in control of our destiny from here on out.

We're unbeaten in the division, have won the 2 toughest division games on the road, including head-to-head against both of the other contenders who have to come to our crib in December.

Then again, we lost to the Bucs at Arrowhead too.

Titty Meat 11-28-2016 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 12584258)
The reality is that we're absolutely in control of our destiny from here on out.

We're unbeaten in the division, have won the 2 toughest division games on the road, including head-to-head against both of the other contenders who have to come to our crib in December.

Then again, we lost to the Bucs at Arrowhead too.

The Bucs are a good team, so is San Diego and Ten. We aren't going to win out.

O.city 11-28-2016 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay (Post 12584284)
The Bucs are a good team, so is San Diego and Ten. We aren't going to win out.

If they get healthy, sure, why not.

Titty Meat 11-28-2016 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12584308)
If they get healthy, sure, why not.

That's a pretty big if.

RobBlake 11-28-2016 02:21 PM

honestly, anything can happen in this division. It was the same for our division in nfc west. AZ/SF/SEA all had strong teams. Any three could win the division still and they would deserve it. Great division and football is getting exciting. Honestly, this year is way better than last years.

KChiefs1 12-01-2016 10:45 PM

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Buehler445 12-01-2016 11:24 PM

**** Donk forever.

RINGLEADER 12-01-2016 11:29 PM

So basically this is telling me that if the Chiefs beat the Raiders and Broncos we have a 75% chance of getting a first round bye (regardless of whatever else happens). This week's game is the least meaningful to everything but the #1 seed.

New World Order 12-02-2016 04:01 AM

Gronk is out. AFC wide open.

Now or never

TigeRRUppeRRcut 12-02-2016 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12590701)
So basically this is telling me that if the Chiefs beat the Raiders and Broncos we have a 75% chance of getting a first round bye (regardless of whatever else happens). This week's game is the least meaningful to everything but the #1 seed.

If I'm Reid I'm not playing Maclin until Thursday night and if he is, give him a few looks on curls or quick slants. He needs be healthy as possible for Oakland

Direckshun 12-02-2016 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12590815)
Gronk is out. AFC wide open.

Now or never

There has never been a better chance to get to the Super Bowl in my lifetime.

Maybe the one year with Montana. But otherwise...

ptlyon 12-02-2016 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12590903)
There has never been a better chance to get to the Super Bowl in my lifetime.

Maybe the one year with Montana. But otherwise...

Dude. Just don't. Please, for your sake.

Rain Man 12-02-2016 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12590701)
So basically this is telling me that if the Chiefs beat the Raiders and Broncos we have a 75% chance of getting a first round bye (regardless of whatever else happens). This week's game is the least meaningful to everything but the #1 seed.

I was noticing too that the Falcons game doesn't have much implication. You want to win, of course, but it's really the AFC West games that matter.

Mile High Mania 12-02-2016 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12590921)
I was noticing too that the Falcons game doesn't have much implication. You want to win, of course, but it's really the AFC West games that matter.

Yeah, obviously the AFC games carry more weight for playoff seeding... the rest of the stretch though, if the goal is fighting for that bye - then every game is a playoff game for the Raiders, Chiefs and Broncos at this point.

Chiefs have the overall WC advantage at this point with 8 wins. There are 5 teams at or above .500, sitting 1-2 games out.

So, anything can move things around down the stretch. Will be interesting to see if the Texans can hold off the Titans.

Pointer19 12-02-2016 09:23 AM

Thanks for sharing this. Very cool stuff!

DaFace 12-04-2016 11:37 PM

AFCW update after today's games:

http://i.imgur.com/ymCcjbO.png

They now have us with a better chance than the Raiders to win the division. Interesting.

Gravedigger 12-04-2016 11:42 PM

I know it's asking for alot, but if we swept the division this year it would be ****ing awesome.

Rain Man 12-06-2016 05:24 PM

Overall, the Chiefs have

...a #1 seed in 11% of scenarios
...a #2 seed in 29% of scenarios
...a #3 seed in 2% of scenarios
...a #4 seed in 0% of scenarios
...a #5 seed in 40% of scenarios
...a #6 seed in 11% of scenarios
...are out of the playoffs in 8% of scenarios

A win over the Raiders changes those figures to ...

...a #1 seed in 17% of scenarios
...a #2 seed in 47% of scenarios
...a #3 seed in 1% of scenarios
...a #4 seed in 0% of scenarios
...a #5 seed in 26% of scenarios
...a #6 seed in 6% of scenarios
...are out of the playoffs in 2% of scenarios

It won't happen, but theoretically a loss to the Raiders would hypothetically change those figures to ...

...a #1 seed in 1% of scenarios
...a #2 seed in 11% of scenarios
...a #3 seed in 0% of scenarios
...a #4 seed in 0% of scenarios
...a #5 seed in 58% of scenarios
...a #6 seed in 17% of scenarios
...are out of the playoffs in 13% of scenarios

In summary, this is kind of a big game.

DaFace 12-06-2016 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12600140)
In summary, this is kind of a big game.

Yep. For the most part, a loss ensures that we're playing for a wild card. A win puts us in the driver's seat for a bye (though there will still be work to be done).

New World Order 12-06-2016 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12597333)
AFCW update after today's games:

http://i.imgur.com/ymCcjbO.png

They now have us with a better chance than the Raiders to win the division. Interesting.


Raiders are at KC, at SD, at Denver

That ain't easy.

KChiefs1 12-06-2016 08:49 PM

I think the highest seed the Chiefs can get is the 2nd because the Pats have the tiebreakers over them.


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DaFace 12-06-2016 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12600542)
I think the highest seed the Chiefs can get is the 2nd because the Pats have the tiebreakers over them.


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Unless the Pats lose a couple games. It's not likely, but it's not out of the question.

New World Order 12-06-2016 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12600548)
Unless the Pats lose a couple games. It's not likely, but it's not out of the question.


Pats will lose to Denver.

KC wins the rest of their games they will have the 1 seed.

Eleazar 12-06-2016 09:36 PM

After playing with that, as we all know our chances for the 1 seed are basically zero.

I'm surprised to see what it would take for us to blow the 2 seed. It's hard to come up with any realistic scenario. The AFC is pretty bad.

suzzer99 12-06-2016 09:38 PM

Nope - Pats have to lose 2.

KChiefs1 12-06-2016 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12600583)
Pats will lose to Denver.



KC wins the rest of their games they will have the 1 seed.



Pats have to lose twice.




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Mama Hip Rockets 12-09-2016 12:29 AM

Playoff chance is now 99%.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 12-09-2016 12:37 AM

If we have the same AFC record as the Pats... Since we don't have at least 4 common games with them...then as of now we beat them based on strength of victory

Pasta Little Brioni 12-09-2016 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12607991)
If we have the same AFC record as the Pats... Since we don't have at least 4 common games with them...then as of now we beat them based on strength of victory

We lose tie breaker to them at the end if you run the simulator. Have to finish ahead of them.

jjchieffan 12-09-2016 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12607991)
If we have the same AFC record as the Pats... Since we don't have at least 4 common games with them...then as of now we beat them based on strength of victory

You already counting Monday night as a loss for them? As of now, they are 10-2 and a half game up on us.

DenverChief 12-09-2016 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12600542)
I think the highest seed the Chiefs can get is the 2nd because the Pats have the tiebreakers over them.


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The only way is for NE to lose to Denver and Miami (in addition to KC winning out) - there really is no other viable options - NE isn't losing to the Jets or Baltimore at home.

RINGLEADER 12-09-2016 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12600548)
Unless the Pats lose a couple games. It's not likely, but it's not out of the question.

Pats have to lose against the Ravens on Monday night and against Denver the following week for the Chiefs to get the number 1 seed.

There are all kinds of ways the Chiefs can get a first week bye - even if they lose a couple of their remaining games (provided the Raiders lose too).

RINGLEADER 12-09-2016 01:23 AM

Why does the NYT thing say that now that we have beaten the Raiders they have a better chance of winning the division and getting the bye?

If I had known that would happen I would have been rooting for the Raiders to win.

Buehler445 12-09-2016 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 12608011)
The only way is for NE to lose to Denver and Miami (in addition to KC winning out) - there really is no other viable options - NE isn't losing to the Jets or Baltimore at home.

B-more is looking up.

I don't think I can root for Donk victory. **** Donk forever.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-09-2016 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12608042)
Why does the NYT thing say that now that we have beaten the Raiders they have a better chance of winning the division and getting the bye?

If I had known that would happen I would have been rooting for the Raiders to win.

:spock:

kchero 12-09-2016 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12608042)
Why does the NYT thing say that now that we have beaten the Raiders they have a better chance of winning the division and getting the bye?

If I had known that would happen I would have been rooting for the Raiders to win.

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Danguardace 12-09-2016 09:25 AM

I'd take the #2 seed right now if you offered it me. #1 would just be a bonus.

Renegade 12-09-2016 09:32 AM

Is there any scenario where the AFW champion falls out of the #2 seed and down to the #3?

gold_and_red 12-09-2016 09:32 AM

The way this team has been winning, home and away doesn't seem to matter. Every win looks the same. At least being the #5 seed almost assures a playoff victory this year against the AFCS.
Being the #2 seed means getting a tough AFCN winner at home in the AFCDG. We need to bring our A game.

New World Order 12-09-2016 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danguardace (Post 12608450)
I'd take the #2 seed right now if you offered it me. #1 would just be a bonus.


I'm not worried at all about playing NE in NE without Gronk

Danguardace 12-09-2016 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold_and_red (Post 12608481)
The way this team has been winning, home and away doesn't seem to matter. Every win looks the same. At least being the #5 seed almost assures a playoff victory this year against the AFCS.

But then you play the extra game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold_and_red (Post 12608481)
Being the #2 seed means getting a tough AFCN winner at home in the AFCDG. We need to bring our A game.

Exactly its the play offs no easy games.

DaFace 12-09-2016 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12608042)
Why does the NYT thing say that now that we have beaten the Raiders they have a better chance of winning the division and getting the bye?

If I had known that would happen I would have been rooting for the Raiders to win.

I don't really know what you're looking at.

http://i.imgur.com/3Hm9z2X.png

DaFace 12-09-2016 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 12608480)
Is there any scenario where the AFW champion falls out of the #2 seed and down to the #3?

Based on the chart I just posted, it's technically possible if the Chiefs are the AFCW champ (see the difference between the probabilities of us winning the division and getting a bye), but highly unlikely (about a 2% chance).

Buehler445 12-09-2016 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12608488)
I'm not worried at all about playing NE in NE without Gronk

ROFL

Pass the pipe, man. You've had enough.

NE just wins. In NE, they are unbeatable. They can roll my ass out there at WR and CB, and as long as they have buttchin, they win. Doesn't matter.

O.city 12-09-2016 11:29 AM

I don't remember a season like this in that it seems theres no break after a big win.

This turned out to be a tough ass schedule down the stretch here. I mean, I think they're gonna have to win out to take the division and the Broncos are still right where they wanna be.

RINGLEADER 12-09-2016 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12608519)
I don't really know what you're looking at.

http://i.imgur.com/3Hm9z2X.png

Yeah last night it wasn't showing this -- it showed the win-loss updated but the odds apparently were the way they were before the game.

Now it is updated again and the Chiefs are (properly) on top...

KChiefs1 12-10-2016 05:40 PM

As has been stated many times...Chiefs win out & Pats lose 2 games the Chiefs get #1 seed.

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Current odds:
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DaneMcCloud 12-10-2016 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12608532)
ROFL

Pass the pipe, man. You've had enough.

NE just wins. In NE, they are unbeatable. They can roll my ass out there at WR and CB, and as long as they have buttchin, they win. Doesn't matter.

I think they lose Monday night against Baltimore. They're without Gronk and now Martellus Bennett.

Belichick has traded away his two best defensive players, they've struggled to beat the Jets and have only beaten 2 teams with a winning record this year.

Their last quality win was 6 weeks ago against the Steelers, who were without Rothlisberger, so I'm not even sure that counts as a quality win.

O.city 12-10-2016 05:45 PM

It's looking like 2 of 3 should lock up the division and the 2 seed.

It would be nice to win the next 2 and give some guys 2 weeks off

Buehler445 12-10-2016 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12610803)
I think they lose Monday night against Baltimore. They're without Gronk and now Martellus Bennett.

Belichick has traded away his two best defensive players, they've struggled to beat the Jets and have only beaten 2 teams with a winning record this year.

Their last quality win was 6 weeks ago against the Steelers, who were without Rothlisberger, so I'm not even sure that counts as a quality win.

Sure. Yeah. But I still don't want to go to Foxboro. Like at all.

NJChiefsFan 12-10-2016 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12610803)
I think they lose Monday night against Baltimore. They're without Gronk and now Martellus Bennett.

Belichick has traded away his two best defensive players, they've struggled to beat the Jets and have only beaten 2 teams with a winning record this year.

Their last quality win was 6 weeks ago against the Steelers, who were without Rothlisberger, so I'm not even sure that counts as a quality win.

Bennett is going to play. May not be 100%.

RINGLEADER 12-10-2016 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12610804)
It's looking like 2 of 3 should lock up the division and the 2 seed.

It would be nice to win the next 2 and give some guys 2 weeks off

Whoever wins the AFC Westis almost guaranteed a first round bye. The Pats have to play three teams still playing for something so not out of the realm of possibility that they drop two. Not likely, but possible.

CaliforniaChief 12-10-2016 09:17 PM

I think the Patriots are vulnerable in 3 of their last 4 games:

Baltimore
At Denver
At Miami

The Jets just look dead. I suppose it's their Super Bowl but they're terrible.

The Broncos, by virtue of their defense, are a real threat to beat the Pats.

threebag 12-10-2016 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 12608042)
Why does the NYT thing say that now that we have beaten the Raiders they have a better chance of winning the division and getting the bye?

If I had known that would happen I would have been rooting for the Raiders to win.

Smasher was he will be cheering denver tomorrow

NJChiefsFan 12-10-2016 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 12611053)
I think the Patriots are vulnerable in 3 of their last 4 games:

Baltimore
At Denver
At Miami

The Jets just look dead. I suppose it's their Super Bowl but they're terrible.

The Broncos, by virtue of their defense, are a real threat to beat the Pats.

Jets didn't even care on mnf. Maybe petty could give them energy but I doubt they even put up a fight.

ThaVirus 12-18-2016 04:34 PM

According to this nifty thing, we've still got a 40% chance of winning the 2 seed and 31% chance at the 5 seed. Only 5% chance of missing the playoffs entirely.

Relax.

Dante84 12-18-2016 04:44 PM

So, if the Raiders lose, we remain in the #2 spot?

We might as well root for Denver to lose as well then.

DaFace 12-18-2016 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 12627196)
So, if the Raiders lose, we remain in the #2 spot?

We might as well root for Denver to lose as well then.

Yes. And yes. If we concede that we're not getting the #1 pick, we want the Broncos to lose.

CaliforniaChief 12-18-2016 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12627201)
Yes. And yes. If we concede that we're not getting the #1 pick, we want the Broncos to lose.

I'll concede that just so that I can cheer for them to lose.

lcarus 12-18-2016 04:51 PM

Shoot I don't need a playoff simulator. I know what's gonna happen. A road playoff loss in Baltimore or Pittsburgh.

scho63 12-18-2016 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12627201)
Yes. And yes. If we concede that we're not getting the #1 pick, we want the Broncos to lose.

We CANNOT win the #1 seed anymore unless NE lost all three and we win last two

Not going to happen :shake:

KChiefs1 12-18-2016 05:26 PM

Go Pats!


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DaFace 12-18-2016 06:33 PM

If I'm reading everything correctly, the Chiefs will clinch if:

The Chiefs win ANY game (vs Broncos or @ Chargers)
The Ravens lose ANY game (@ Steelers or @ Bengals)
The Steelers lose to the Browns (ha!)
The Dolphins lose BOTH games (@ Bills and vs. Patriots)

DaFace 12-18-2016 06:35 PM

It's pretty simple for the division. Now that the Raiders have won, we need to have a BETTER record than them through the final two games. If they lose one, we need to win both. If they lose both (unlikely), we have to win one.

DaFace 12-18-2016 06:40 PM

Oh, and in terms of raw percentages, it gives us a 98% chance of making the playoffs, but only a 27% chance of getting a bye at this point.

DenverChief 12-18-2016 06:40 PM

Oakland still has two tough games left vs Indy and @ Denver.

Chief Northman 12-18-2016 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12627569)
It's pretty simple for the division. Now that the Raiders have won, we need to have a BETTER record than them through the final two games. If they lose one, we need to win both. If they lose both (unlikely), we have to win one.

Yup

carcosa 12-18-2016 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12627593)
Oh, and in terms of raw percentages, it gives us a 98% chance of making the playoffs, but only a 25% chance of getting a bye at this point.

God dammit Andy

-King- 12-18-2016 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12627569)
It's pretty simple for the division. Now that the Raiders have won, we need to have a BETTER record than them through the final two games. If they lose one, we need to win both. If they lose both (unlikely), we have to win one.

We don't need a better record than them. We get the second seed if we have the same record.

Oh misread, you were just talking the record of the 2 games not season overall.
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DaFace 12-18-2016 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12627613)
We don't need a better record than them. We get the second seed if we have the same record.
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"In the final two games" is important (though I concede that my "through" may have been confusing).


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