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RunKC 10-30-2016 02:46 PM

Chiefs targeting Jamaal Charles being back for playoffs
 
Adam Schefter
Chiefs HC Andy Reid says RB Jamaal Charles will visit Dr. James Andrews this week to have his knee checked out.

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UPDATED

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...gn=Twitter_atn

Coochie liquor 10-30-2016 02:47 PM

That really sucks. Went from lots of rb depth to none in one week

Skyy God 10-30-2016 02:48 PM

It's a next man up league.

I bet Reaves gets elevated to the 53 and plays well.

scho63 10-30-2016 02:48 PM

I want to be optimistic but I think he doesn't come back this year and maybe never again.

That would be a shitty way to end his career.

Chromatic 10-30-2016 02:48 PM

That's not good at all. I think his time here is probably over.

No teams will trade for him so he either takes a very team friendly deal or is released. I hope he retires by that point because I don't want to see him wasting away in some bottom feeder franchise ****ing up his knees any more than they have.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 10-30-2016 02:49 PM

That's a lot of money we save next season. Poe was the easy decision to begin with

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 02:50 PM

Considering that he's only taken 12 snaps this year and he's had swelling in both knees, this isn't surprising.

Going to IR is the most likely scenario while bringing up Reaves from the PS.

ThaVirus 10-30-2016 02:51 PM

What's up with the swelling in both knees?

Weird.

Skyy God 10-30-2016 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12516524)
What's up with the swelling in both knees?

Weird.

He's torn ACLs in both knees

ThaVirus 10-30-2016 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 12516541)
He's torn ACLs in both knees

He tore the other knee 5 years ago.

Bewbies 10-30-2016 02:59 PM

Sad. If this is his end it's not much different than Priest Holmes. Hate to see the greats end their careers this way.

Easy 6 10-30-2016 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 12516568)
Sad. If this is his end it's not much different than Priest Holmes. Hate to see the greats end their careers this way.

Agreed, this ****ing blows... for him AND us

DaFace 10-30-2016 03:01 PM

Regardless of whether or not he plays again this year, the team has to 100% be planning for him to be gone.

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12516577)
Agreed, this ****ing blows... for him AND us

He's still receiving his $5.3 million dollar salary this year, so it's not all bad for Charles.

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 12516579)
Regardless of whether or not he plays again this year, the team has to 100% be planning for him to be gone.

I think the Chiefs know this is the end. Otherwise, they wouldn't have signed Brooks to the PS.

Reaves is the next man up.

Skyy God 10-30-2016 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12516559)
He tore the other knee 5 years ago.

Well, sure.

Swelling in a surgically-repaired knee isn't uncommon, tho.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.drdav...?client=safari

Mr. Flopnuts 10-30-2016 03:04 PM

He's done in KC. I should've never deleted that thread.

jspchief 10-30-2016 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12516524)
What's up with the swelling in both knees?

Weird.

He could be putting extra pressure on the other knee from favoring the injured one.

Skyy God 10-30-2016 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 12516605)
He could be putting extra pressure on the other knee from favoring the injured one.

This.

Overcompensating.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-30-2016 03:09 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel pretty shitty losing Parker Ehinger right now

Kid was really coming along.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:11 PM

Held on to him just a few years to long. Chiefs have a history of doing that.

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12516635)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel pretty shitty losing Parker Ehinger right now

Kid was really coming along.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spencer Ware did not pass concussion protocol. LG Parker Ehinger with sprained knee.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/792828916356427776">October 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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ARROW2 10-30-2016 03:13 PM

Time to replace the road Charles jersey with something else on away game days.

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 03:14 PM

Sigh....makes me sad. Charles may very well be done.

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 12516655)
Held on to him just a few years to long. Chiefs have a history of doing that.

Oh well. What would we have gotten that's any better?

RINGLEADER 10-30-2016 03:17 PM

Just hope he didn't pop one of them again pushing for that TD against Oakland.

Easy 6 10-30-2016 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12516659)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spencer Ware did not pass concussion protocol. LG Parker Ehinger with sprained knee.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/792828916356427776">October 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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People were talking like he got Theismanned

RunKC 10-30-2016 03:21 PM

Radio saying he's going to get cleared just like Houston. He sounds like he's having the swelling issues Tamba had in his knees.

Looks like he might have Same surgery Tamba did to clean out both knees

pugsnotdrugs19 10-30-2016 03:22 PM

Every time Andy says a guy has a 'knee sprain', it winds up being a serious knee injury.

Zach Fulton is our new starting left guard, and we can only hope he does a serviceable job.

Reerun_KC 10-30-2016 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12516683)
Oh well. What would we have gotten that's any better?

Ware and west. Or that RB are a dime a dozen. Teams win every year without KC...

Investing heavily in the RB position is so 1990...

Red Dawg 10-30-2016 03:31 PM

I still have hope. Can't write him off for this year just yet. He is still a bad ass.

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12516786)
I still have hope. Can't write him off for this year just yet. He is still a bad ass.

LMAO

Rain Man 10-30-2016 03:37 PM

If Dr. James Andrews ever goes public, I'm buying his stock.

Meatloaf 10-30-2016 04:37 PM

Not great news, but neither is not knowing whether Charles is going to be available each and every week. Need a tad of certainty with this. If he needs some "clean-up" in the knee(s), so be it. Just do it. Personally, I think he's heading to the IR. However, I think he'll return as a Chief next year too. I don't think he's done at all. In fact, I thought he looked pretty spry out there for the few carries he's had this year.

I don't want to see Charles playing for ANYONE but the Chiefs. If he retires, fine; if he is able to continue to play, play as a Chief. I don't want to see the man in ANY other uniform. EVER.

mdchiefsfan 10-30-2016 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 12516497)
It's a next man up league.

I bet Reaves gets elevated to the 53 and plays well.

Reaves has looked solid in preseason. I wouldn't mind seeing what he does with better blockers in front of him.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-30-2016 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 12517150)
Reaves has looked solid in preseason. I wouldn't mind seeing what he does with better blockers in front of him.

He would be facing better defenders, so that's all relative.

But the idea of Reaves being our 3rd RB doesn't scare me by any means.

mcaj22 10-30-2016 04:56 PM

shame Fat Scott ruined the prime of Charles career with bad rosters, fraud coaches and terrible losing seasons

carcosa 10-30-2016 05:05 PM

:(

In58men 10-30-2016 05:09 PM

I don't see why everybody is assuming this is bad. With Ware possibly being out with a concussion maybe they want to make sure Charles can play next week?

PAChiefsGuy 10-30-2016 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12517209)
I don't see why everybody is assuming this is bad. With Ware possibly being out with a concussion maybe they want to make sure Charles can play next week?

Agreed.

I'm assuming it is pretty normal for a player of Jamaal's caliber to get his ACL repaired knee checked out especially if it has gotten some swelling recently. Doesn't mean he is going to IR..

We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what Dr Andrews says. Hopefully we get good news.

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12517275)
Agreed.

I'm assuming it is pretty normal for a player of Jamaal's caliber to get his ACL repaired knee checked out especially if it has gotten some swelling recently. Doesn't mean he is going to IR..

We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what Dr Andrews says. Hopefully we get good news.

Good ****ing grief.

Are you people following the timeline? BOTH knees are swollen. He can't practice because and he's taken 12 snaps this season.

NO doctor is going to say "Yeah, sure, play on two swollen knees. No worries".

In58men 10-30-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12517329)
Good ****ing grief.

Are you people following the timeline? BOTH knees are swollen. He can't practice because and he's taken 12 snaps this season.

NO doctor is going to say "Yeah, sure, play on two swollen knees. No worries".

I don't think it's bad like most are assuming. I won't be shocked if he plays next week.

Chief Northman 10-30-2016 05:43 PM

Face it folks, Charles' career with the Chiefs is going out with a whisper. Even healthy he is at best a rotational back playing behind Ware. The scheme is no longer catered to him and maybe that is a good thing. Last year Charles' absence forced the Chiefs to simplify in the run game, the line was allowed to play physical and straight ahead with less screen and draw plays.

Time to move on, and even if Charles manages to make some contributions this season, it really is gravy as the Chiefs seem comfortable moving ahead with Ware/West.

Deberg_1990 10-30-2016 05:57 PM

It sucks losing a home run hitter like Charles. But the Chiefs have proven they can win without him.

If this is the end, thanks for everything Jamaal, but time to move on. Football is a brutal and unkind sport. Next man up.

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2016 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12517348)
I don't think it's bad like most are assuming. I won't be shocked if he plays next week.

Either trolling or your dumber than I previously thought

PAChiefsGuy 10-30-2016 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12517424)
It sucks losing a home run hitter like Charles. But the Chiefs have proven they can win without him.

If this is the end, thanks for everything Jamaal, but time to move on. Football is a brutal and unkind sport. Next man up.

We proved we could win a playoff game without him but that's not this team's goal anymore.

We want to beat the elite teams in the NFL and win the SB we are going to need Jamaal. I love Ware but IMO he is not as good as Charles. Charles is way more explosive... Our defense isn't going to be able to shut down the Patriots if we see them in the playoffs.

Having Jamaal would give our offense enough firepower to possibly beat the Pats IMO.Charles/Ware would be a deadly one-two punch and make our offense a hell of a lot better than it is now.

Lets hope for the best.

As long as the Dr. Andrews says he can play this season and he is not getting put on IR then IMO there isn't much to worry about. We don't play a team with a winning record until Nov 27th... There is no need to rush him back so I'm not too worried about it right now.

Titty Meat 10-30-2016 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12517329)
Good ****ing grief.

Are you people following the timeline? BOTH knees are swollen. He can't practice because and he's taken 12 snaps this season.

NO doctor is going to say "Yeah, sure, play on two swollen knees. No worries".

Yeah that's interesting that it's both knees.

gonefishin53 10-30-2016 07:55 PM

Darren Reaves is a bit bigger, faster, and stronger version of the Falcon's Jacquizz Rodgers. I like him better than West in a 1 back, multiple TE offense like the Chiefs use because he runs with better leverage and power.

hometeam 10-30-2016 07:56 PM

yea.. this sucks. I was hoping the experimental stem cell stuff would work wonders.. but.. it hasnt.

I love Jamaal. I want to see him retire a Chief.

Mother****erJones 10-30-2016 08:03 PM

I expect Charles to IR, and bring up Reeves activated for Sunday. Hope not for Charles' sake because I'd love nothing more for his knee to get better and be fresh for the playoffs.

Warrick 10-30-2016 08:16 PM

He will be fine, it's very common for the knees to swell after playing on that crappy turf in Oakland. Andy Reid is being extra cautious and has to follow protocal with his best player on offense having two swollen knees. Gaines knee was swollen too, it may take Charles a few games to comeback because he's a little older. Yet don't forget how tough this kid is, he is going to prove a lot of naysayers on here wrong.

Why Not? 10-30-2016 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonefishin53 (Post 12517971)
Darren Reaves is a bit bigger, faster, and stronger version of the Falcon's Jacquizz Rodgers.


Um, you haven't been following other teams this year have you?



But your overall point is a good one.

Buns 10-30-2016 08:43 PM

Albert Wilson is doing jack and shit. Cut him and bring up Reaves or possibly Brooks. Let Ware recover. My guess on Charles is he will rest up and finish his final season.

mikeyis4dcats. 10-31-2016 09:00 AM

he should see Dr. James Westfall too

In58men 10-31-2016 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12517474)
Either trolling or your dumber than I previously thought

I'm honestly not trolling. I really believe the Chiefs are visiting to see if he can handle a split load with West if Ware is out. I guess I'm dumb.

pugsnotdrugs19 10-31-2016 09:12 AM

He's not going on IR. It's not like he re-tore the SOB...

They're gonna figure some things out but he's not going on IR. He'll be playing and dressed out every week soon, if I had to guess.

In58men 10-31-2016 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12519166)
He's not going on IR. It's not like he re-tore the SOB...

They're gonna figure some things out but he's not going on IR. He'll be playing and dressed out every week soon, if I had to guess.

I agree. I think they want to see Andrews as a precautionary before giving him more of a workload.

RunKC 10-31-2016 09:19 AM

Per Ian Rappaport, it was precautionary and they are going to see how he does at practice on Wednesday

Danguardace 10-31-2016 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virtua Chief (Post 12518223)
Albert Wilson is doing jack and shit. Cut him and bring up Reaves or possibly Brooks. Let Ware recover. My guess on Charles is he will rest up and finish his final season.

Albert Wilson is doing a fine Job as Punt Protector :D

....Cut his ass

DaneMcCloud 10-31-2016 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 12519154)
I'm honestly not trolling. I really believe the Chiefs are visiting to see if he can handle a split load with West if Ware is out. I guess I'm dumb.

He's going to see the doctor that performed his ACL surgery last year to find out why he's not healing properly, not to ask permission to play on knees filled with fluid.

Either Andrews will recommend another procedure or he'll recommend that Charles waits it out.

One hit to either of those swollen knees and his year (and quite possibly, career) is over.

DJ's left nut 10-31-2016 09:36 AM

The writing was on the wall either way. Even a healthy Charles was going to be a cap casualty next season.

I was hoping we'd get one last ride with an effective JC but it seems pretty unlikely. He just didn't show any explosion at all out there. Even his best run was one where he just picked and popped his way forward but when he looked for the afterburners when he hit the second level, they just weren't there.

He's essentially West with better vision these days.

RunKC 11-06-2016 08:21 AM

Update here and in OP

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...gn=Twitter_atn

Rausch 11-06-2016 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12516590)
I think the Chiefs know this is the end. Otherwise, they wouldn't have signed Brooks to the PS.

Reaves is the next man up.

I like his potential as a 3rd HB...

In58men 11-06-2016 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12530868)

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Rausch 11-06-2016 08:42 AM

So if I understand this correctly it's pretty much the same injury Big Ben had, right?...

PutQuinnIn 11-06-2016 10:29 AM

Playoffs?

DaneMcCloud 11-06-2016 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12530913)
So if I understand this correctly it's pretty much the same injury Big Ben had, right?...

From my understanding, no.

Charles had a "jagged" meniscus, so Dr. Andrew trimmed it so that it won't cause him pain.

Unfortunately, it will most definitely cause him to have arthritis in both knees in less than 20 years.

The guy might be in a wheelchair by age 45...

pugsnotdrugs19 11-06-2016 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12531108)
From my understanding, no.

Charles had a "jagged" meniscus, so Dr. Andrew trimmed it so that it won't cause him pain.

Unfortunately, it will most definitely cause him to have arthritis in both knees in less than 20 years.

The guy might be in a wheelchair by age 45...

Arthritis, and a Super Bowl ring on his hand as he leads the Chiefs on a miracle run when he comes back and then rides off into the sunset...

:D

Rausch 11-06-2016 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12531108)
From my understanding, no.

Charles had a "jagged" meniscus, so Dr. Andrew trimmed it so that it won't cause him pain.

Unfortunately, it will most definitely cause him to have arthritis in both knees in less than 20 years.

The guy might be in a wheelchair by age 45...

Any time you remove cartilage it's bad.

Both had at least a similar procedure. Actually, I shouldn't say that: both had the same injury...

DaneMcCloud 11-06-2016 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12531135)
Any time you remove cartilage it's bad.

Both had at least a similar procedure. Actually, I shouldn't say that: both had the same injury...

Actually, Rothlisberger had a torn meniscus, which was repaired, while Charles menisci were worn down and jagged, so they were "trimmed". There are example images on the internet if that sort of stuff doesn't bother you.

At some point, Charles will be arthritic and bone on bone. Most likely, he's looking at full on knee replacement at some point, in both knees.

Rausch 11-06-2016 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12531152)
Actually, Rothlisberger had a torn meniscus, which was repaired, while Charles menisci were worn down and jagged, so they were "trimmed". There are example images on the internet if that sort of stuff doesn't bother you.

At some point, Charles will be arthritic and bone on bone. Most likely, he's looking at full on knee replacement at some point, in both knees.

I may be wrong but I thought Ben had his trimmed as well. They even spent a whole segment on it on NFLN AM.

I was not aware of Charles' situation being as bad as it is. I'd expect him to return even though, for his betterment, he shouldn't...

Hoover 11-06-2016 01:18 PM

So Charles is our Kyle Schwarber? I'll take it!

jjchieffan 11-06-2016 01:35 PM

One mod online today. BRC. He's the dick! He not only booted me from the GDT, he also booted me from my thread complaining about it and removed my thread starting privileges. Screw off BRC. Go suck on Foles big ole chili dog!!

SAUTO 11-06-2016 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12532182)
One mod online today. BRC. He's the dick! He not only booted me from the GDT, he also booted me from my thread complaining about it and removed my thread starting privileges. Screw off BRC. Go suck on Foles big ole chili dog!!

It's wasn't brc.

TimBone 11-06-2016 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12532182)
One mod online today. BRC. He's the dick! He not only booted me from the GDT, he also booted me from my thread complaining about it and removed my thread starting privileges. Screw off BRC. Go suck on Foles big ole chili dog!!

This thread is about Jamarl Childs. Please stay on topic, sir.

stumppy 11-06-2016 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 12532182)
One mod online today. BRC. He's the dick! He not only booted me from the GDT, he also booted me from my thread complaining about it and removed my thread starting privileges. Screw off BRC. Go suck on Foles big ole chili dog!!

Jeez man, whats that got to do with Charles ?

stumppy 11-06-2016 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12532289)
It's wasn't brc.

You never know

SAUTO 11-06-2016 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy (Post 12532298)
You never know

Flop posted and basically said he did it

TimBone 11-06-2016 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12532300)
Flop posted and basically said he did it

Covering for BRC. What a guy! He seems nice!

RealSNR 11-06-2016 01:48 PM

BigRedChief lied, jj's thread starting abilities died


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