Maybe Dee Ford isn't a bust?
 

7.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and 2 forced holding calls in 12 starts since Houston got hurt. Not bad #'s from a complimentary rusher, though he does need to be more consistent throughout the game.

I'd still take Carr even after today, but I think the bust label might be too strong for the kid at this point.

Just start him against SD and Oak.

That's when he plays well.

Someone mentioned it in the game thread: he doesn't make many plays but he does seem to make big plays at the most opportune moments.

3rd string OT

Duh. Only morons said that.

He has displayed some growth, I'll give him that... he'll look a lot better when Houston gets back

Dee Ford needs this production every week.

Maybe. He sure has to show a hell of a lot more.

He has still consistently sucked ass. Good plays for him are an aberration.

All it will take is for someone to arrange for Ford to play against 3rd string OTs in every game.

That 4th quarterback was pretty gnarly.

Menelik Watson doesn't count. He's nominally a starter but no one has ever confirmed that he exists.

He has an infuriating tendency to be invisible through huge portions of games, but he does seem to have a knack for coming up big late in games when we need a stop. Props to him for that.

Cool. He will rape Denver

Was he going against the lt?

32 sacks and 16 forced fumbles on the season?

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Shocking a pass rusher comes alive when he can pin his ears back. Shocking.

3rd and long in close games aren't pin your ears back situations?

You have a better chance of being struck by lightning than seeing Albert Wilson and Dee Ford make big plays in the same game...but it happened today.

He seems to show up at key moments I'll give him that.

He's definitely improving to the point where he's serviceable at this point. Hopefully the growth will continue.

He missed half of the Jets game so he's got 3.5 sacks in 4.5 games. He's got a sack (or combined sack) in 3/4.5 games played.

I hate it that Sutton continuously drops him into coverage on 3rd down and puts him on the strong side all the time.

too inconsistent. makes big plays after coverage blankets everyone for 7 seconds. probably will still grade out negative like most of his other games.

Not a bust, but still not a top rusher unless he gets a clear path around the edge. The opposing OT gets in front of him, and he doesn't seem to have the physicality or moves to fight through. Not sure he will, if he hasn't already, but there's still time.

3 of his sacks are against teams he did well against last year (SD and Oak).

If he can put pressure on the qb every week then I'll be a believer.

32 sacks and 16 forced fumbles!

Do you people ever think about the shit you type?

Edit:

Damn u

for a FIRST ROUNDER, he is at least as good as fisher

He'll look a lot better on the weak side full time when Houston comes back.

At this point he's probably a C guy. Doesn't look like he'll ever develop into anything more than a B.

I've been pleasantly surprised at Dee Ford's abilities outside of pass rusher. He hasn't been a major liability which is good. He doesn't seem to get consistent pressure in the pass rush. But he looks to be a complementary guy, not the star of the show. I don't love the pick or hate it. But I still wish we had picked a QB.

I don't think he's a bust, but he's still a disappointment.

Would love to see him show up against an actual tough opponent like Denver, instead of just getting his mediocre stats from San Diego and Oakland

Denver isn't tough this year

No, if he was picked two rounds later than he was actually picked.

Here are the next ten picks that occurred after Dee Ford. How many of them would you rather have?

1 24 Cincinnati Bengals Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State Big Ten
1 25 San Diego Chargers Jason Verrett † CB TCU Big 12
1 26 Philadelphia Eagles Marcus Smith LB Louisville The American from Indianapolis via Cleveland [R1 - 7]
1 27 Arizona Cardinals Deone Bucannon S Washington State Pac-12 from New Orleans [R1 - 8]
1 28 Carolina Panthers Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State ACC
1 29 New England Patriots Dominique Easley DT Florida SEC
1 30 San Francisco 49ers Jimmie Ward S NIU MAC
1 31 Denver Broncos Bradley Roby CB Ohio State Big Ten
1 32 Minnesota Vikings Teddy Bridgewater † QB Louisville The American from Seattle [R1 - 9]
2 33 Houston Texans Xavier Su'a-Filo G UCLA Pac-12

Dennard has 2 career starts.
Verrett has started more or less one full season, though he made the pro bowl.
Marcus Smith is a backup.
Buchanan has been very productive. Anyone know anything about him?
Benjamin had a great rookie season and didn't play his second year on IR.
Easley has three career starts.
Jimmie Ward appeared to become a starter mid-season last year.
Bradley Roby is a backup.
Teddy Bridgewater started his career strong, but he has skinny knees according to scouting reports.
Xavier s'r'qa'rrra' appears to be a starter in his third year.

If I was to rate them, I'd say that Bridgewater and Verrett may be better picks, but both are injury-plagued. Ford is the only one playing this year.

Buchanan may be a better pick.

The rest are equivalent or worse. So Ford hasn't set the world on fire, but he started his career behind the top linebacker in the league, and he's got half a dozen sacks, including some at key times.

He hasn't been what we hoped for, but he's pretty much par for the course in that draft unless the Chiefs could have beefed up Bridgewater's knees.

Verrett is a stud, but he's hurt alot.

I started re-watching the game, Ford was trying hard. I'm thinking he maybe stepping up or trying to.

I'll take it.

Verrett, Roby, Bridgewater, Benjamin, and Su'a-Filo are all better players.

It is what it is. We've got Ford. I just hope he gets better.

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Hits like a mack truck. Can play safety or smallish inside linebacker. Pretty good cover skills. Think a slightly bigger Eric Berry.

On Ford's 2nd sack, Chris Jones beat Gabe Jackson and forced that holding call that we declined.

It was a thing of beauty to see him getting in the backfield.

Mentioned it in the GDT but if that dude develops some pass rushing techniques he'll be incredible. We've all seen him walk tackles and guards right back into the QB's lap. If he can learn to rip or disengage quickly he could turn into a nightmare.

He will thrive when Houston is back in the mix.

so weird but true!

Let's give the kid credit.

He's shored up in the run game and played well in coverage today.

good point

Opposite of Jerrod Allen?

Derek Carr had only been sacked 5 times in their 5 games. Ford sacked him twice yesterday.

Not to mention that it was on a wet field which negated the ability of pass rushers to get traction. I didn't expect us to get to Carr at all yesterday.

Any and every first round pick by the Chiefs that is not a QB will forever and always be a bust regardless of anything no matter what happens anywhere any time at all for evermore.

If you're looking at it just right.

Dinny

Amen....

Another thing to note is that Dee Ford got quick pressure on Carr that made him scramble out to the right where Allen Bailey was in his face with even more pressure to force the interception.

I'm all for being optimistic, but this seems a little soon. There are countless mediocre players who had one good week before promptly going back to sucking. Lets see how he plays over the rest of the season before we rush to judgement in either direction. He is going to have plenty more playing time, at least until Houston returns.

This. Or at least I really hope so.

Only if Sutton moves Ford back to his proper position when Houston comes back.

Ford and Hali can split reps


Hali needs the rest

I would assume that's the plan.

Meh, I loved Ford in college but he still has a lot of growing up to do.
This is a little premature. Let's try week 16.

Fords sacks were coverage sacks due to the fact that we switched to a zone D in the second half.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2...lf-adjustments

Im baffled as to why we dont run like 30 % zone and 70 % man, we basically run 95 + % man

My guess is that Andy forced Sutton to install a zone D for this week and hopefully the rest of the season.

The corners we have now are not press-man only type guys like Sean Smith, and Derrick Johnson particularly plays at a pro-bowl level in a zone

This was a big problem last year, but so far that's not the case.

He's got a sack (or combined sack) in 3/5 games. He's actually showing consistency by making plays in several games and his run defense has not been a problem.

This is the guy we didn't think would show up. Let's hope he keeps it up.

I don't see anything in that article taht says they played "zone" defense on the backend? The Chiefs play their fair share of zone coverage, so I don't know why that would be different?

He collapsed the pocket and got Carr moving for the Peter's INT. I thought he had a good game. He's our best pass rusher at the moment.

That is not saying much. That OL is terrible.

Convert Ford to wide receiver.

Ford's all around game has been getting better every week. He is doing better at setting the edge, his coverage has gone from horrible to better than average and his rush is more consistent. Overall I'm pleased.

Reminds me of that moment when we all realized Derrick Johnson wasn't going to be a bust.


Because if you remember we all thought he was. Maybe Dee Ford is like DJ was, he needs reps. Like, a lot.

Ford's all right i suppose. I see him as a situational pass rusher. Not an every down player. It's just what he is.

He looks like a bust of kid n play


Needs to cut that hair

Oh yea it took DJ 4 years to become a good player.

I liked Dee Fords interview giving credit to the secondary calling it a coverage sack. He never gave up on the play and got to D Carr making him wreck. Also he wrecked him with a forced fumble that was cool.

Good thing it played out the way it did, because Peters got beat on the double move pretty bad. Not sure if EB would get there if that pass was on time.

What's fords 'proper' position? Didn't he line up almost 90% on the left at Auburn?

Bust? No. Disappointment? Absolutely.

When I think of busts I think of Ryan Sims and Jon Baldwin.

The double moves are going to be dangerous this week with Brees coming to town. He utilizes a pumpfake routinely and effectively, Peters is going to have to be careful.

He's on pace for 11 sacks and his run defense looks far better than last year. Wouldn't call that a disappointment right now.

I'd like to think berry would have gotten over the top.

if he would put forth the effort on Q1-3 like he does for 2 or 3 plays in the Q4, we would all love him

With a single high look, that's going to be really tough to cover that much ground.

I don't think he'd have made it. He always seems to be a half-second late. You can't be everywhere at once but that's something he needs to work on to take his game to the next level.

I don't think he can get there to make the pick, but I don't think it goes for a TD.

To complete that ball, it had to come out at the 11 second mark but there was already pressure. TBH, the pressure killed the play and thats a terrible play by carr.

In regards to Ford though, the pace he's on and what he's doing in very nice.

No, he's not going to be Houston I don't think. He's not going to just be an all around bad ass. But paired with Houston on the weak side, where he's probably not getting doubled much and is 1 on 1 with a LT?

Yeah, I don't see why he couldn't be a 7, 8 sack per year guy, depending on the rest of the D. Thats pretty nice.

Considering Hali's age and Houston's injury drafting Dee Ford has turned out to be a pretty good move.