Were Jones and Russel drafted to eventually replace Poe and Berry?
 

Gotta wonder...I know most probably don't want to hear it, though.

Both are probably wanting huge paydays as they are probably the premier players at their respective positions and KC doesn't have tons of cap space next year.

No.

I don't think so.

Russell is a corner, Jones will probably replace Howard.

The way they were described Russell indicated that he's going to be a CB. He might be our starter.

Maybe

No.

Russel is to fill a GIANT ****ING HOLE they have at....CB.

They're not going to let an elite DL like Poe leave. They had a hole at DE right now with DeVito retiring, and they will need to replace Howard after next year.

Stop with this shit.

Jones can play all over the dl I don't thi k he's a nt only.

Did Justin Houston leave after they drafted Ford? Poe and Berry will get contracts.

Howard is 27 and when his deal expires, will be 29.

Jones should fill his role.

They've got an ass load of safeties, I doubt this guy plays anything but corner.

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Poe is a monster and will want to be paid like one. We are already paying a boatload to Houston. We have two major contracts on the books for the DL.....not going to be a lot left over.

The cap is ballooning in size every year. Houston's deal will start looking more in line real soon.

The Chiefs can afford to keep both Berry and Poe.

Next offseason Fisher, Poe and Berry need new deals...if Berry doesn't get done this year.

All three are going to command big time paydays and we probably don have enough to pay everybody.

Especially being they need to get a deal done with Berry just to open up enough space to sign these rookies.

Haha yeah, I'm sure Fisher is gonna break the bank.

I'll bet there's a 90% chance Fisher is extended soon.

Berry? I'm meh.

I don't think Poe is going anywhere and if so, the Chiefs will get some serious compensation.

I agree, but with the contracts these guys are going to want/need to be retained, it's gonna be tough to ink all 3.

I can see them drafting Billings incase things get ugly with Poe.

I would not answer that question definitively either way.

I would say, however, that they give us options.

Strictly depth.

As of right now, we only have 24.5m in cap space for next year and that doesn't include Berry, Fisher, Poe or any of the rookies from this draft class or next years draft class.

The only cuts that make any sense are

Charles to save 7m
Colquitt to save 4
Mauga to save 3
Bray to save 1.2

By cutting all of them, we make it 40m in cap space

2 draft classes take up 10 of that.

30 left for Fish, Berry AND Poe?

I guess that can work.

LMAO

you just answered your own question. We take on very little dead money for cutting Charles, Colquitt, Mauga they are as good as gone after this season, that money will be spent on the premier players you are afraid we won't have space for.

Idk, but our defense looks potentially insane for next year with athletes.

We can effectively rotate those 4 beasts on the interior, never allowing them to get fatigued.

We have the best LB corp in the NFL, period. March and Wilson may even push Mauga for his job.

And the secondary now, woo. Idk who is going to start at corner, but it's gonna be a battle. Deep at safety too.

Can it be September yet?

This is best case scenario, but there are injuries.

The 2017 draft is supposed to be very strong at pass rusher. Lot of those guys coming out.

I'd draft to replace Tamba/Zombo

Couldn't you ask this question for basically any position?

Best 3 DL puts Bailey at DE. Howard and Poe could switch it up at NT and other DE spot.

Chris Jones is a pure DE. So if they don't get Poe re-signed, Howard goes NT.. which is fine for 2017.. and there is Jones----Howard----Bailey.

Russell has to be the plan as Sean's replacement at RCB.. and if things go south with Eric.. has the potential to be a S in 2017.

It would take some reallllllllly shitty luck to stock this freight train.

so like when we lost all of our pass rushers and our best WR in the playoffs

I've heard of some pretty talented defensive fronts, but on paper this is something else. I just pray that they use them right.

If they do, we're talking about really fresh versions of Poe/Bailey/Howard/Jones throughout every game, all season. They will wear OLs out.

It will be TOO late! The QB we have will chuck the game away by then with his aggressive risk-taking!!!!!!

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the first two cuts you have?

really?
at least try JC
and MVP never cut

We don't need to cut Charles after this season. Same with Colquett. Both will be Chiefs until they retire. Mauga and Bray will be gone. Hell, I expect Bray gone by 1st round of Preseason cuts

I'll say highly doubtful. Neither fit. The only way Jones was drafted to replace Poe is if Jones takes over Howard's spot at DE and Howard slides inside to NT. Russell is a stud CB that played a year at FS coming off of an injury, he's going to play CB.

Russel is Dorsey doing his homework. Guy was off the radar a little be because of not playing. I still don't like the trade downs.

we kinda do if you want them to keep a combo of Fisher, Berry, Poe

You been partying with Tunsil?

So we expect him to play DE?

They talked him up more as a run stuffer so filling the DeVito role makes sense.

I'm completely OK with letting Fish go...

The **** is wrong with you guys? JFC...no they weren't

I don't want to let him go because then you can bank on us drafting OT in round one. I want to go WR or QB in round one next year. We need to get our passing game to be top notch

This year the DT's got all the talk but there were some very good T's in the first two rounds.

You don't HAVE to draft a LT in round 1...

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No, you don't. But you know we will if fisher is gone

Why do you think that?

We have only drafted 1 OL player in the 1st round in 4 Dorsey drafts.

And we've had big needs at RT and both G positions the whole time...

Jones was drafted to slay kc pussy including planet wives with his horse dong

If he gets 6 sacks this year he can start with mine...

Weinershnitzel!

We can't just pay everyone top $. Thats not the way the NFL works.

its the NFL... every draft pick is brought in with an eye toward taking some one's job.

I think it might be Poe, Chiefs put a lot of miles on his body the last 4 soon to be 5 years and if they think his body won't hold up for a second contract of a lot of money then it's a good call.

No.

Poe ...yes
Berry...possibly

That was my first thought.

But Ford is still "working in" and we kept Hali around because he's (Ford) only good on 3rd down.

I can understand having insurance at NT in case Poe is injured/released.

I mean, I can see them franchising him once...but the guy is going to want like 15 per (or more) and big guarantees...and he knows he will probably get it on the open market.

Jeff Allen got 7m per.
Stephenson got 5

I bet Fisher wants 11 or more.

Fact is we can let Fish go and run with a rookie and be much better off than replacing POE.

A true impact NT is almost impossible to find...

It is in Denver...

Yeah, our cap for next year is gonna be tight and I would not be surprised if we let Berry go. I was hoping he'd sign a bit of a team friendly contract but seems he's holding out for the big money (cant blame any player for that but makes it hard for the team to keep all its good players).

So I would not be surprised if they draft that Killebrew kid with one of the early 4th's today as his replacement.

Berry will get a fair deal.

If anything Hali is let go, we restructure a few deals, and we're fine...

We don't know what Berry is asking for, so unless he doesn't get resigned, I'm expecting a deal very similar to Earl Thomas' deal.

hopefully, he isn't having his agent demand the sun, moon and stars and just wants to be the highest paid safety in the game (that he deserves) and not wanting one of these "transcendent" type deals...like 12m per.

KC paid him every penny last year when they didn't need to pay him at all while he was fighting cancer...they also showed all kinds of other support for the guy during his hard time.

Houston flew to see Berry EVERY MONDAY.

The guy isn't going anywhere, the two sides just need to work out the details so both sides get what they want.

What is good. Players Want to be here.

insurance policies, at least.

They were good players taken around where they were supposed to go.

I'm surprised all the talk is about Jaye Howard and not Allen Bailey. Howard at his contract is an absolute steal. I like Howard more than I like Bailey yet Bailey is signed for longer and more $'s. Bailey's cap hit will balloon to $8M by 2018. Jones will give KC more leverage to negotiate better contracts with Howard and to renegotiate Bailey's $8M hit in 2018.

And no, Jones isn't here to take Poe's job away. He's here to take away snaps from Poe so he's not on the field all the ****ing time. It gives the Chiefs 2 years to groom Jones through rotational work for a few years before making decisions on Howard/Bailey.

I'm pretty sure they're not going to give a guy like Jones who has questions about effort the insane workload Poe gets.

This defense though....insane

I haven't read or listened to Dorsey or Reid about how they plan to use Jones but to me he looks more like a 5 tech then a NT to me.

He looks like a 5 tech that can play all across the line including NT. Poe is a NT who can play all across the line including 5 tech.

You're absolutely right. He will play Devito's role who played a lot of NT in his career.

And he'll be a terrific option in nickel.

no

Howard is better at NT anyway

Poe leaves
Howard slides over to NT
Jones takes over RDE

possible scenario anyway

Our DEs are good but they're still not great pass rushers. If Jones can be a pass rushing force from the 5 tech this D will become even better then it was last year.

Which is not the question. It's not about whether Chris Jones is a bad pick, so stop defending him.

The question is whether he is a replacement pick.

I don't see how anyone can honestly say he's not an insurance policy at the very least.

WTF are you talking about? There's no need to defend Jones and sure he may be insurance incase we can't sign Poe but he's not the same type player. He's more of a DE in our scheme. I'm not concerned as much about losing Poe and a theory of an insurance pick as much as I'm excited that we have a DE who can really rush the passer. Our D front just got better.

Poe, yes.
I think that's part of the reason why they use him so much. Not worried about long term wear and tear.

So tied up in you homerism that you can't understand the purpose of this thread.

Yes, Chris Jones is a replacement pick. Period.

when Poe was hurt, howard took over the NT and was a stud. If Poe leaves Howard will move over then again leaving a spot at RDE open.

Chris Jones is a RDE in a 3-4 scheme.


Replacement


He might be a good,bad or mediocre replacement but he's a replacement pick. Just like Dorsey has done every year he's been in KC.

I'm gonna with 'no'. I think they just take the top guy on their board at the time.

and the last 3 years?

Fisher - Albert
Ford - Hali/Houston
Peters - Smith
Jones - Poe (Howard to NT)

Just coincidence that every year the position of our 1st pick has a guy leaving in FA the next year?

If that is true can you imagine what is going to happen this year?

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They are going to rag Poe into the ground like teenager joyriding a corvette with 4 of his friends.

Homerism? You're a homer of your own theories. If Howard get's moved to NT and Jones plays DE then wouldn't Jones be more of a replacement for Howard at DE? Wasn't your previous theory that Howard was Poe's replacement when we signed him originally? And Russell is no way a replacement for Berry. What ever makes you feel smart though. You Duh Man!

That's actually a pretty fair point. Poe is a very good player but Howard was excellent at NT last year. But if you can get Poe at a decent price, I would still do it even if that means keeping 4 DL.

It actually does make sense that if Jones does well, it makes Poe expendable. Regardless of who replaces who, it gives the Chiefs an option to not fork over a huge contract to Poe and still end up okay.