Let's have a discussion about 2017.
 

As it currently sits, KC sits with 24m in cap space (according to overthecap and that doesn't include Ware/Wests deals) without Fisher, Poe or Berry under contract.

The team needs to either pick up Fishers 11.9m option (for 2017) by May 2nd iirc or decide to let him walk.

Fletcher Cox is turning down a 100m deal with 60 guaranteed...that impacts any negotiation KC is having with Poe...not sure how much, though.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the negotiations with Berry, too. Not too many safeties getting crazy money. I wonder what Berrys side is asking for and using as their leverage.

Eric Fisher is improving, but 12m is a lot of money.

Some big changes are on the horizon and I wouldn't be surprised if KC loses 1 or 2 of those guys.

What does Cox's contract have to do with Poe's contract? Cox doesn't play NT in a 3-4 defense.

Poe's agent will saying he deserves to be paid like one of the best Interior DL in the league whether that is DT or NT is going to be irrelevant.

Sign berry and fisher, tag poe twice then let him walk.

doubt we keep poe and berry...draft might have some clues

fisher should give us a discount for being such a worthless pussy for 2 years, but that's not how it works..

If Berry won't accept the Chiefs' offer, I'd let him walk next year. Yes, he's good, but as several have suggested, he's not exactly a playmaker type guy. Good, yes. Solid tackler, yes. Great cover guy, nope. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if we took a safety with our first pick this year in preparation for Berry's eventual departure.

Re-sign Fisher, Poe plays through franchise tags then walks, re-sign Berry only if it's cap-friendly.

As per Fisher, I'd work like the dickens to get him signed, sealed and delivered this year. As you'll recall, once he settled in at left tackle, our OL started playing with some authority. Gotta have an anchor at left tackle, and Fisher provides that.

As per Poe, I'd see how his back holds up this season. A guy that big with apparent back problems is concerning. To me, this one is a very difficult call. I'd sure want to know more about his back condition before I inked him to a huge contract.

Fifth year option fisher and try to sign him to a cap friendly deal

I use to worry about these things, but now I just kinda assume Dorsey will get shit done and I don't even think about it.

Get the Berry deal done before this year, and then 5th year option Fish/or extend him. Then, you could tag Poe if you had to.

Did you catch the interview of John Dorsey from a couple weeks ago?

He basically said they drafted Fisher with full understanding that his first 2 years were going to be bad and that he would start to get it in his third year if things go according to plan...

I thought that was a bit crazy to hear...they just saw that whole draft as crap.

Crap it was.... but damn if they didn't make it happen in the 3rd round with Kelce. I still remember hearing his name called and thinking, huh? Then, like with every player who we take, I looked up some video on him and proceeded to get an erection.

I still feel Berry owes this franchise to negotiate a somewhat team friendly deal.

They paid him over 5m they didn't have to while on NFI...that wasn't a "business move"...that was a "we care about Eric Berry" move.

The absolute least that should get KC is good will.

I'd really like to know where the 2 sides are..

Which interview was this?

I wouldn't doubt if that's the same case with Ford.

I'm batting pretty nicely on that draft class from my impressions of everybody from my time at camp.

I totally missed on Knile Davis (he looked very impressive in camp) but other than that I said Kelce had probowl potential, that Fisher sucked terribly (I killed the guy based on just 1 on 1 drills when he was getting worked by everyone, even Austen Lane that was absolutely horrible.) and that Tyler Bray had the nicest deep ball I'd seen in camp,..but not much else...very raw.

Dorsey has been very solid in the draft.

I can't believe this hasn't been brought up yet. Overthecap predicts we get 4 comp picks next year from the contracts of guys lost.

3.-->Sean Smith
4.-->Chase Daniel
6.-->Donald Stephenson
6.-->Tyvonn Branch
*Jeff Allen cancelled out by Mitchell Schwartz deal

It's gonna be fun as hell having 11 picks next year in the first year you can trade comp picks.

I think they keep Poe, Berry, Fisher

you're going to see guys like Charles, Colquitt, Mauga, etc get cut though, their contracts basically say it out loud in 2017.

Charles is only if he takes a huge dip in production, but the others, yes. Along with a few more probably, if need be.

That's why I don't see any need to trade back. We can use some 2017 picks (though not the comp picks) to get back into the 3rd, should we not get it back.

It's going to be so much easier and common for teams to trade during the draft when that rule finally hits next year.

being diplomatic...cause the other answer is "we were surprised he sucked so much ass his first two years...a total pussy" (and also the truth)

so, CB is obviously a need, but i think you can easily make a case for DL in the first if the right guy is there (Butler)

poe and howard are up in the next two years...one will not be resigned (howard, imo)...Butler 'could' make this line something special for 2 years on the cheap and step right in as a starter when howard signs a big money deal somewhere else

and in a normal dl draft, butler wouldn't fall to us (even hypothetically)

muy excellente...and look who we're getting value for...daniel, stephenson, branch...a backup, a joke, and a guy picked off the garbage heap

Dorsey is good at this

We would free up 7 million in cap space and take 0 dead money, unless Charles takes a huge pay cut he's as good as gone regardless of production.

I'll take that 7 million to keep Poe, Berry, Fisher any day.

Well I think anyone would but if he goes out there and has another monster season, it would be hard to justify I would say

I personally think he's about to get outplayed by Ware/West and it's just emotional attachment at this point to a fan favorite Chief that was the only good Chief during some terrible Fat Scott Pats Fraud years that everyone clung on to.

Let's have a discussion about 2017.
 

I will be 60 yrs old and would like to see another SB win before I die!

Well shit. Guess we need to draft another OL at 1.28.

Possibly.

I think ware certainly has a chance, west is a bit overrated around here imo, but I think he's a solid player.

If Charles comes back healthy and in top form, he's a unique talent and combined with the current offensive weapons, could have an mvp type year.

Next year is the year I'm looking at QB's. We could easily trade up wih that ammo if we wanted.

Need to draft Paxton Lynch and hand him the keys in 2017

Poe is going to want huge money.

10m+ per

probably pushing towards 15

Keeping Howard was a big time move.

If Dorsey drafts interior DL this year(good year for it) then he is covering his ass for possibly losing Poe.

They can franchise poe twice if they can't sign him and let him hit the market then.

We don't let good players get away/ John Dorsey

7 million though with no cap hit is awfully tempting if it means to lock up younger, better players.

We almost get like 15 million just by cutting Charles, Colquitt and Mauga alone without much dead money. That is basically almost 2 of Poe, Fisher, Berry. That just seems like a no brainer to me.

Oh I think they will likely move on, but if he's truly that productive it would be tough

Chiefs are slotted at $24 million of cap space next year. I imagine Berry will sign and his cap hit this year will be lower like most teams. I also believe Fisher will get the 5th year option. With the cap rise expected to be like last year (why teams paid insane $$ for players this year), roughly $12m should expected to be added putting us around $36 million before making cuts.

$34 million sounds like worst case scenario, so Poe's deal would be a first year lower hit, Berry with probably $10 million in year 2 and Fisher's 5th year option of roughly $10 million would put us around $5 million to spend with cuts to open up more room.

2018 will be much tougher with he following guys being FA's:

Charles
J. Howard
Colquitt
D. Ford--5th year option?
A. Sherman
P. Gaines
A. Murray
Z. Fulton
LDT

That's not rough, Charles will be almost done completely.

Gaines and Ford will be the hardest on that list, but only if they 'blow up'.

Gaines could possible be starting on the outside by then.
Ford could be the passrusher we hope he could be.

The rest are medium level signees.

I suppose Murray could be our franchise starting QB by then. lol

Tag amount for him will be over 14m and then 17 the second time.

In all honesty, it would be smart to try to trade him this offseason, if we can.

His value is pretty damn high

He's pretty important to us right now, in the current window.

Tag him for 2 years at 31 mil is less than you'd have to guarantee him, no?

Poe is the premier NT in the league and is a hell of a player, but I don't see him as a 14m per kinda impact player.

If we could get a first and third for him in this draft, id take it.

Move Howard to NT.

Draft a couple new DL in this draft on cheap contracts and use that money to bolster the lineup.

The back issues worry me when you look at how many snaps he's played.
He isn't exactly a sack monster
Until this year, he wasn't a very good run defender.

No way id give him 15m per on a long term deal.

I think you're underrating him and his importance. If you watch a lot of Jaye Howard's sacks/pressures, Poe is holding multiple guys in the middle so he can have 1v1 with the G.
I think it would be extremely difficult finding a replacement like Poe with his athleticism and power to collapse the pocket. That's so rare from a NT and those guys are almost never in the draft.

I think a better idea is to pay Poe a $13-14 million contract at most (if we can) and draft a DE to take over for Howard in 2 years bc with the way Howard is going, he's going to price himself out anyway.

It all depends on his back, but this draft seems rich with 3-4 DE's but I don't see any true NT's who are anywhere close to the speed and power Poe provides. Vernon Butler is the closest IMO, but I don't think he'd be as good at NT compared to DE.

A healthy Poe deserves his money... He falls into the 'must gameplan for' category, along with Houston

I doubt Poe will get significantly more than Dan Williams did. Poe is good, but he's not in the same league as a guy like Marcell Dareus. If Poe wants $10M+ a year the Chiefs would be better off letting him walk.

ROFL

Did you really just compare Poe to Dan ****ing Williams?

Kill yourself you ****ing troll.

And the Niners have 14 this year. They would make great trade partners to balance the # across both years

According to OTC Howard has the highest avg per year salary of all 3-4 DT at $5M per meanwhile Poe has been averaging $2.8M per year.
I think $15M per is way on out there in being reasonable. There are only a 4 or 5 guys in the league that make that or more and they are DE or 4-3 DT.
I think the most he could be looking at is what Malik Jackson just got from the Jags and that is really too much IMO.

Yeah. I'm a little hot under the collar that he's being tagged this year. That dude should've absolutely been signed to a long term deal. He got his money while going through chemo. Come on, now.

Yeah sure lets trade away Poe. While we are at it we should go ahead and trade Charles to the Patriots. Then if Lynch is there when we draft in the first, just go ahead and call Jerry Jones up and trade him Aaron Murray.

When your team is predicated on defense the punter is a little more important and all that but Colquitts cap numbers need to be brought back into line a little bit.

From this article ----->

"Denver thinks two in particular were overpaid: Miami Dolphins defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh (who's making over $19 million per year) and Kansas City Chiefs outside linebacker Justin Houston (who signed a six-year $101 million deal last offseason). That viewpoint could end up being a problem because those deals impact how Denver sees Miller's next contract. Particularly the Suh deal, since Miller has ascended to rarified air among his NFL peers. Multiple league sources have spelled it out at this stage: The Broncos want to slot Miller ahead of Houston, but below Suh, somewhere in the neighborhood of $18 million per season." :rolleyes:

Just can't see how anyone could justify Houston as being overpaid coming off of a 22 sack season, where he was the #1 reason for having the #2 pass defense in the league in 2014. Suh, sure. He never produced at a level to warrant 19M per year. Of course, if things were perfect, Watt's contract would have set the ceiling. But even then, I'm sorry, call me a homer if you want, but the stats support what I believe. Hell, if his 2014 wasn't enough, how about being 2nd in the NFL in QB pressures last year in only 10 1/2 games? Houston is the best edge rusher in the entire NFL, and if he gets the chance to show it come playoff time, the debate will cease to exist.

:facepalm:

The irony is we got Houston for a bargain compared to what the Broncos are going to pay Miller. ROFL