Log jam at RB
 

So we have three starting caliber Running Backs. 2 of them are at the beginning of their career and one is at the end of his career. I know Charles is a Chief icon but should we hang on to him, use him as trade bait for draft position or use him as part of a deal to bring other players in?

I know this won't be a popular topic of discussion but a RB entering his 8th year and coming off of his second major knee surgery we need to think about what our plans are with him and the young talent behind him going forward.

JC had a 1500 yard season following his last ACL injury.

He's the starter if he's healthy.

I don't necessarily disagree but I think that we could part with one of the guys we have for depth elsewhere and more draft picks or to get a player of need somewhere else.

Cut Davis. We have starter JC, his back up West (similar style), change of pace/bruiser Ware.

Ware is dope though so he's really #2.

Charles retires as a ****ing Chief.

Since you have Ware and West now....it allows you to move Charles around more. Split him out wide sometimes. Shit...put Ware in at FB ahead of Charles and the defense won't know who to key in on.

Why do people keep wanting to trade Jamaal? You're not getting shit value wise in a trade. His best value is here, on the team. Reduce some of his carries to keep him healthy, yeah. But trading him is nonsense, especially when the other two guys are pretty much unproven. I mean, they each had, what, half of a good season?

I think Knile could be traded for a late round pick

We have three rock-toting RBs.

That's not a ****ing logjam. It's not a "good problem." It's not a problem, period.

It would be a problem if we had Charles coming off his injury and jack shit behind him.

I miss the days of Donnell Bennett

They will all get carries

I think you have a very lose defination of 'starting caliber,"

Ware should start, Charles should be the backup

/Todd Haley

Ah yes I remember how well RBBC worked under Marty. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

Why do people not just answer the question instead of jump to butt hurt?

I did answer the question. The answer is he continues to play for the Chiefs.

It's not RBBC.

We're not paying Ware/West shit. They're undrafted turds. We can tell them to eat cat poop and they'll do it if it helps the team win.

If it were just Charles, people would be concerned about drafting another RB and maybe finding a guy in free agency. Why? So they can suck shit?

Just because our backup guys are good, that means we have a logjam at the position?

**** you.

I think Charles has excellent trade value as long as you aren't looking to trade him for Tom Brady.

What the **** does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I think we have one expendable running back. With ware, West, Sherman, Davis and Charles on the roster we have plenty of opportunities to use the depth to fill other needs.

Oh and lick my hairless perfectly bleached asshole.

You're wrong.

Because....

Because the price of tea in China isn't a ****ing logjam.

The Chiefs don't have a logjam at the RB position.

You called it a logjam.

Therefore, you deserve AIDS of the labia.

Charles and Ware

West as relief for Charles


It would really be nice if West could return kicks and punts

Yea huge problem. I miss the days of Peyton Hillis

Not coming off an ACL injury.....He is not going anywhere...Didn't last season prove to you that you can't have too many good RBs????

No offense but you couldn't be more wrong.

Matt Forte, who's not been injured and offers similar value as Charles was released by the Bears because they couldn't find a trade partner.

Yesterday, Forte signed a 3 year, $12 million dollar deal with the Jets.

There isn't a team in the league trading for a soon to be 30 year old running back coming off an ACL injury.

Not one.

running back just don't carry the value they used to

especially as they get close to 30


worth more to us on the team than the market


Maybe a low 2nd round pick on the market?

As a management decision I'd trade Charles for a high draft pick if a team was willing to part. By 'high' I mean a 1st or 2nd rounder. Or two 3rds or two 4ths given the Chiefs updated draft status. West and Ware are just an awesome 1&2 punch.</br></br>As a Chiefs fan, let him retire a Chief.</br></br>I'd like to see a super bowl within the next 5 years so I'm going with the management decision.

There's not a chance in hell that happens.

You guys are severely overrating Charles and the running back position as it exists in today's NFL.

Yeah, I really don't know shit about the back end of football. That's what message boards are for. :D

I mean, it would be amazing, IMO, to be able to move Charles for a 2nd round pick and dump his $5 million salary this year and $7 million next year, off the books. The Chiefs could definitely upgrade their CB, S or DT/DE positions with an additional two. I'm a fan of the Chiefs, not individual players.

But running backs just don't have any value these days.

We have 4 backs that have proven they can play when needed. One of them can flat out kick your ass if he gets a crack of daylight.

No problem at RB. I would t even draft one in any round at all.

JC STAYS! You got that you mugger sucker! We are not trading him!

The Chiefs couldn't trade him for a six pack of Old Style

Knile Davis sucks ass and is directly responsible for the loss at NE

We have 3. Davis can GTFO

You can NEVER have too many good RBs

In 1985

Count up all the money we are paying this season to keep all 4. That's why we can have all of them.

Finger jam at CP

This is exactly my line of thinking, I REALLY like Ware, West is a good backup

But Jamaal is the man, and he's pivotal to this offense... Sprinkle in some carries for Ware and use West if needed due to injury...

And get rid of Davis I had such high hopes for him, but he has zero vision

heh.

This.

Because he's almost thirty, and coming off of his second acl tear. Teams aren't gonna be lining up to give up much for him.

The Chiefs won as many games this season without Charles as they did in 2013 with Jamaal and won a playoff game to boot.

He's not as "pivotal" as you believe.

With the emergence of West and ware, they need to use Charles more in the Dat type role they've envisioned as well as out of the backfield.

Well, then call it sentiment...

I would really miss watching him

To get maximum value if this is the idea, I think you have to get him healed up....you get him on the field and prove that he still has the juice and then move him to a team in need for a rapey price.


I don't know that I want to see it happen, but it does seem to be the kind of move winning teams make...to maximize value and know when is the right time to move on.

Exactly my point. Bill Bellichek.

It'll never happen.

No one will trade for a 30 year old RB.

Forte has better numbers than Charles and the Bears couldn't get anything for him.

You guys are being extremely unrealistic.

No team is a running back "away" from the playoffs or Super Bowl.

....also......you said log jam.

LMAO. indeed good sir, indeed.

Idk. When I think Jaamal Charles the second name to pop in my head isn't Matt Forte.

Yes, this team needs a draft pick more than Charles.

/no one. ever

That's because you don't follow the entire NFL.

Forte has 1,000 more rushing yards in his career than Charles.

And it only took him 700 more attempts.

:shrug: if you could swing DAT and JC to the niners for a 3rd (#68) and a 5th (#130) you wouldn't swing that?

Maybe one way we get that 3rd rd pick back. Nobody will part with a 1st maybe a 2nd and more likely a 3rd for someone long in the tooth with previous ACL issues in both knees that can take it to the house. I think it's doable and we would be letting him go at the right time. IMO he will not be the JC of old that we are used to seeing.

LMAO

Yes I do follow the entire NFL Dane.

While never tearing an ACL, let alone, both.

The bottom line is that no team is giving up a draft pick for Charles, let alone, a 1st or 2nd.

Then why would you expect a high draft pick for a 29 year old back coming off a torn ACL?

That doesn't make any sense.

Didn't they try to move him last offseason? Or maybe 2 years ago at the deadline? Anyway, I seem to remember someone offering a 6th.

Nopbody is getting stupid for Charles.

A third round pick? Because third round picks end up being impact players?

I can't remember what I had for lunch Yesterday. :shrug:

Keenan Allen, Jimmy Graham, Justin Houston, Frank Gore and a guy named Jamaal Charles.

Oh yeah, and someone named Russell Wilson.

Out of how many third round picks between 2008 and now?

Dude, what the ****? I'm not doing your research for you.

GOOD teams draft well, regardless of the round.

In the past several years, the Chiefs nabbed Houston, Stephenson ($5 million per to the Broncos), Knile Davis, Philip Gaines and Chris Conley.

The NFL is littered with 3rd round players at every position.

JFC.

Holy hell dude relax. It's a discussion on a discussion board. We are not writing international policy here. Talk about JFC moment yourself. Go take a Xanax and clam the **** down.

The point is that 31 players taken in the third round each year since 2008. 248 people. You named 5 impact players. Yes there are literally dozens of third round picks playing in the NFL today but you could hardly call them all impact players. Jamaal is and impact player with 2-3 years tops left in him. A team that is in desperate need of an impact RB (patriots) might be willing to part with a third who most likely won't be an impact player.

The patriots lost to the Broncos because they had no running game whatsoever. The Broncos D could come on every play because they knew they weren't running.

Not sure whats going on in here, Denvers just arguing for the hell of it

Chiefs Needs thread is much better

Good ****ing God

:facepalm:

This is my final response to this nonsense.

There are dozens and dozens of NFL 3rd rounders that contribute throughout the league, with some being superstars. I have neither the time nor the inclination to name them all but they exist in scores.

Second, the Patriots LOST because Bill ****ing Belichick had his team in the Red Zone, in the 4th quarter, THREE DIFFERENT TIMES and instead of taking the easy chipshot, he went for it on 4th down and lost every time.

It had absolutely ZERO to do with their lack of a running game and EVERYTHING to do with poor decision making.

And finally, there isn't one team in the NFL that would give up a 1, 2, or 3rd round pick for a 29 year old running back who's torn two ACL's in the past 5 seasons.

Zero. None. Nada. End of story.

Thank you for your opinion Trent Baalke :rolleyes:

JFC. You've officially lost it.

The guy has missed 2 of the last 5 seasons with torn ACL's.

He's not worth a 7th rounder.

Get over.

Don't you dare start speaking ypc to Dane. The man believes it's a meaningless stat.

I do, to a certain degree.

3 ypc is lame. Anything over 4 is impressive. Beyond that, it's about total production.

I couldn't care less if a guy has a 4.9 ypc average if he only rushes for 600 yards a year or less than 5,000 in a career.

On the other hand, a guy that has a 3.9 or 4 and has 10,000+ yards shows durability and longevity.

What's Rashaan Sheehee doing these days?

So wait, you're entire argument is 'let's trade an impact player for a pick that I'm admitting usually doesn't yield an impact player?'

I think it may be time for me to put this thread on ignore.

lol, I'm not going down this road with you again.

I'd rather have Eddie George than Jamaal Charles.

At least Eddie George would have contributed to the Chiefs playoff appearances in 2013 and 2015.

You can't help the club if you're always in the tub.

No. Charles is a known commodity. A draft pick isn't. Ware and West aren't either. Charles' contract isn't holding KC back either.

Look through a list of KC's 3rd round picks and tell me what percentage of them are Charles caliber players. Remember, 90% of this CP though Knile Davis was a stud after a few games. The reality is very few players are going to give you the dependable production that Charles has put out.

The entire premise is absurd to me. CP's fascination with draft picks is ****ing out of control.

So you want to trade an impact player for a pick you admit doesn't typically net an impact player? Wut?

Great minds...