Bob Sutton exposed by Louis Riddick as the problem behind the Chiefs defense
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fewer and fewer defenses even give themselves a chance vs today&#39;s good passing attacks.</p>&mdash; Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LRiddickESPN/status/649682565784338432">October 1, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> think they had Albert Lewis, Kevin Ross, and Deron Cherry playing vs Rodgers Monday? Same single high coverage EVERY SNAP!</p>&mdash; Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LRiddickESPN/status/649702607393570817">October 1, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They were hung out to dry. If Rodgers knows what u r doing pre-snap every time, &amp; u r short handed, it is over. <a href="https://t.co/YEEJyR5p8P">https://t.co/YEEJyR5p8P</a></p>&mdash; Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LRiddickESPN/status/649704526950334464">October 1, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yikes. If there were any questions before, now we know. Just embarrassing to read.

If the offense didn't have 7 three and outs...

What choice did the Chiefs had? Once Gaines went down the depth without Smith truly showed. Not shocking.

Umm....you don't put your backup SS as your NB and expect them to cover Cobb. That's a ****ing start.

Yeah.? Andy's expertise right? I know people hate Alex and that's justified but man I am starting to hate Andy Reid.

I agree . But essentially he ran out of bodies didn't he? I'm not defending him. But you can only dress 46. Parker maybe? But we know he's AIDS at corner.

Parker probably has to play corner now.

He's not complete AIDS at corner. He would have fared better than Branch.

Yeah. You're right. Hopefully they move Parker to corner . I can't take much more of Fleming/Cooper

Nelson needs to be activated. He's a ****ing 3rd round pick. The time is over for him to be brought along slowly. Put him at NB and let him get some experience. Cooper/Fleming is just fine as a dimeback.

To be fair..Why do you think nearly EVERYONE is throwing for 300 every week? They are spreading teams out and taking advantage of 3/4 corners. NOBODY is 4 deep at that position.

Riddick isn't questioning the personnel. He's saying that the coaches left the players out to dry because Sutton threw the same looks at Rodgers literally the entire game. Single-high with Parker. You have to change it up against a guy like that consistently.

Yet if not for our pathetic offense, they struggle to score 24.

The offense being competent would help a ton, you are right. But you still can't be predictable against Rodgers.

Sutton is an idiot. No adjustments, ever.

I've said the same shit since Fleming got fisted. Fleming isn't awful. He's just not Revis.

Not likely to get better with the WRs they'll face Sunday.

Who's gonna get Sutton to change?

Isn't Nelson a LB?

:spock:

Steven Nelson is a CB.
DJ Alexander is a LB.

Both played for Oregon State.

I agree that Sutton doesn't have answers when teams go after one corner over and over and over again. He doesn't rotate his personnel like he should.

But other than that, he does make good adjustments. The second half of last year, the Chiefs gave up about 7 second half points. And it was a fairly difficult schedule. We'll see what he does with 2 good CBs because not having quality corners does seem to be when his defense really gets exposed.

Nah. 3rd round pick, cornerback.

Everybody is completely overreacting about the defense. Watch how much better we look with Sean Smith out there and Nelson active.

The offense is the issue moving forward.

Flawed leadership.

This regime is doomed.

Here is our secondary coming out of the tunnel at Green Bay.... :D

https://d22d7v2y1t140g.cloudfront.ne...vXWMumS08p.jpg

Okay, Sutton is a ****ing idiot.

From no subbing, to not rolling coverage over to help a struggling CB, to giving up 35 MOTHER ****ING POINT IN 25 MINUTES.

I really don't know what he's going to do about the slot now.

Berry and Parker seem like the best options given skill set, but I'm not sure they won't get torched by the smaller, quicker guys.

To his credit, Trent Dilfer said this three years ago. The Chiefs are an arrogant defense that doesn't adjust. This really isn't new information. Just watch the games.

Seven three and outs on offense. 15 percent in third down. Look how many extra possessions the defense is having to defend...

It's not just Sutton. The coaching staff makes no adjustments on offense either, based on what's working or what isn't. They just stick to the plan, even when it's foundering.

This! Of course your D is gonna get tired when the offense is constantly getting 3 and outs

This, sadly.

Did Sutton throw for only 50 yards midway through the 3rd quarter? He might be a part of the problem but #11 IS the problem.

In general, this is true. And this team has been guilty of it.

However, people are using it as an excuse this week and it is total BS. The team had 10 days off to rest, and Rodgers came right out and ran over the defense. They averaged like 7 yards a carry in the first quarter. Monday night had zip to do with the defense being on the field too long. They just got manhandled. People are taking the blame off them just to bag on Alex Smith, who doesn't need any help at this point. The defense played poorly. Period. They aren't playing like a championship defense.

You can't give Rodgers 7 possessions at home in the first half. You just can't.

I don't think anyone (or at least me personally) is saying I don't like our defensive talent. I love it, but you combine 3 and outs consistently with a coach who apparently gives no opposing offense any sort of mental frustration, you get bumfucked. They all must be held accountable.

They scored TDs and cut through us like butter on two of their first three drives. It had zip to do with the defense being on the field too long. If our defense is gassed 5 minutes into the game after 10 days off we are sunk.

There is no chance for turnovers when the D is that predictable.

Not only were we in single high every snap, we also had a SAFETY playing corner

We haven't had coaches that could make half-time adjustments since the Vermeil years

how about rotating some zone coverage in?


how about changing ANYTHING


You can't do the same thing every down in the NFL, people are too good.


that goes for Andy Reid and Sutton, predictable as ****

LOL @ Buttons.

Yeah...I found this move curious. Parker at least has experience at corner. Throwing Branch out there on Cobb made no sense...and Rodgers exploited it.

Nobody brought this up in the pressers....it is really disappointing that Gaines is lost. I wanted to see Smith, Peters and Gaines on the field.

After the emergence of Peters, arguably the best corner trio in the league. Denver and NYJ also in that mix.

You know what irks my ass more than anything about playing a safety at CB, the fact that Abdullah is arguably our best pass defender at the position and he didn't get a shot to play CB before Branch. Not only that, he didn't see the field at all until late in the 4th. Just adds to Sutton's stupidity factor. I am not very convinced by this coaching staff, nor Alex Smith, that this team can go very far.

I would really like to know what sutton's rationale is for some of his defensive calls.

Would you like to know about one of the two base sets with a single high safety and strong side press (36 of every 37 plays), or that one where he blitzes two DBs from the back side (1 of every 37 plays)?

:D

So would buttons. Your guess is as good as his...

Those are good. But specifically for example, you're getting to peyton manning. Manning is getting sacked! It used to be hard to do, but your guys are beating him up, which is the recipe for making him **** up. Why call off the dogs? Why sitback and let him pick you apart, particularly when you've got an outmatched kid out there in the secondary? It just boggles the mind.

Yep, so what hope do Chiefs fan really have?

Sean Smith can come back from suspension. The Oline can gain experience and gel. Young players can get better.

But ........ Coaches never really change, Chiefs fans should know all about that.

*marty*cough*marty*


Reid isn't going to change, isn't going to learn how to manage the clock or stick to the run or adjust.

Sutton adjusted from year 1 to year 2 but as yet to adjust during the season, let alone adjust IN a game.


People are crying about Alex Smith ... coaching problems are worse.


:sulk:

He did that DB blitz successfully against Denver and Green Bay.

one time in each game ... ONCE! :banghead:


countdown until Reid runs a draw to start a 2 minute drill again .........

Your guess is as good as mine. Likewise, why stick with a corner that is getting burnt like toast the entire game (Fleming/Cooper)? I mean, make a change and see if it helps. Why didn't they pull Ron Parker down to corner and put Abdullah in the single high? Why the **** isn't Nelson active when you're short at corner as it is, and the two you have active are sucking sack? Why run a 3-4 if you can't blitz in multiple ways using all 4 LBs? They blitz Mauga about never and DJ maybe once or twice a game.

Questions like that make me wonder if Sutton is cut of for being a DC in this league.

Because the real DC in New York was Rex, and every now and again Sutton has an epiphany where he's like, "oh yeah Rex used to do this." Of course, he forgets about it again and moves forward with his base or nickle base set.

haha

Flemming was a starter the first 2 weeks of the season, albeit not good. But it was better to have Branch, a safety playing CB, get torched over and over and over after Gaines got hurt than to play Flemming?

The whole game was a giant WTF moment on both sides of the ball.

**** Sutton for keeping Mauga. That guy is Terrible

dude, rodgers wasn't trying, they were using us as their personal practice squad
:shake:

It seems to me that the defense is getting caught in specific coverages and then opposing offenses are going no huddle and exploiting it. Both Manning and Rodgers had a lot of success going no huddle. Perhaps that's affecting their ability to adjust? We saw how late Howard was getting off the field....twice....it's possibly a coaching issue with late subs causing that problem.

It's not like Alex Smith has done well with what he's been given so far this year, but the coaching staff is not putting anyone in a position to succeed, least of all him.

It's not an excuse for him, he's responsible for his own play, it's just a statement of fact. They aren't putting Alex Smith in a position to succeed. They aren't putting Jamaal Charles in a position to succeed. They aren't putting anyone in a position to succeed with their stubbornness and their unwillingness to react to the game situation.

I don't know where we go from here. Reid isn't getting fired. Alex Smith is probably not going anywhere this year, unless he completely tanks.

All we can hope for is for the team to gel, for Reid to open up the offense, or for Reid or Hunt to wake up and say that someone else needs to call the plays.

I don't know about that. They tried running a lot in the first quarter, but abandoned it when it wasn't working. I think that is the wrong adjustment - you need to keep trying and eventually the D will wear down and you will start making some gains - but it is an adjustment.

I know this is a Bob Sutton thread, but I want to comment on your second paragraph. We saw the same Alex Smith pretty much all of last season. We saw the same Alex Smith in this pre-season. And, we have all seen Chase Daniel come in... especially this pre-season... and ignite this very same offense. Offensive line looks better with Daniel. Receivers look better with Daniel. Whole damn team looked better with Daniel.

Chase freaking Daniel. Let that soak in for a minute!

Time to move on from Alex Smith. And yes, I was on the Smith bandwagon. Got off mid to late last year.

Sutton is going to come out in that same awful single high coverage all game against the Bengals like he did Denver and Green Bay because apparently he doesn't know anything else and AJ Green is going to roast the secondary all game and Sutton won't do a thing about it to help the secondary.

It's sad at this point. Horrible predictable defensive coordinator. Fire him.

Probably be worse this week because we won't get much pressure on the QB.

Fyp

this. i was scratching my head as to why Branch was on Cobb all night....stupid

There is nothing new about this

Sutton is and has been part of the problem

That same awful single high coverage worked extremely well last year and will work again now that we have Sean Smith back and we aren't playing Aaron Rodgers again. Some of you are extremely ****ing reeruned with your over reactions.

LOL at you thinking Sean Smith is going to save an entire defensive scheme

Houston moved the ball on us pretty well when they went no huddle also. I think we will see a lot of this going forward as we obviously do not handle it well.

Ummm, why not put Parker or Berry at corner? whomever was our best Athletes at safety should have been moved which even even recovering from lymphoma is Berry.

Lol at you thinking replacing Cooper/Flemming with a top 10 corner isn't going to make a huge difference. Especially considering said scheme.

Gaines and Peters weren't the problem, guy.

Smith and Peters won't be the problem, either.

The problem is the coverage is very predictable and we don't seem to have a lot after the starters on the outside. Suttons inability to make adjustments in game is alarming.

Against Denver, Manning targeted Flemming over and over and Sutton never changed things up, gave Fleming help or anything. He stopped blitzing and left Fleming on an island against really good receivers....then, he did the same thing with Cooper the next week against GB until benching him and putting a box safety in his place.

Just alarmingly mismanaged.

Lol @ you thinking we're replacing Fleming/Cooper with Smith.

We're not.

Those guys aren't going anywhere unless they activate Nelson and let him man the slot.

Which, IMO they need to do.

After all, unless they plan on re-signing Sean Smith, that's 2/3 of next years corner trio anyway...roll with the rookie and let him learn from mistakes.

I am obviously assuming Nelson will be the nickel.

Horrible predictable ban worthy post. Top 5 in points allowed the last two years. How about the offense converts some third downs and we don't give QBs like Manning and Rodgers a million possessions.

You can't run the same scheme over and over again, the NFL adjusts.

It worked extremely well last year and every team saw that and adjusted.

You have to keep moving and adjusting or you fall behind.


Even Marty Shottenheimer figured that out at the end.

While I agree that a majority of this is on the offense.......Sutton needs to eat his shit as well. It's ****ing inexcusable that Houston and Hali drop into coverage as much as they do. Especially in the situations that they do.

Hali is slow as sloth rape. Him in coverage is historically stupid.

Top 5 Defense in points against the last two years and people are freaking out over 1 really bad game against the Packers and want the DC replaced.

Yes, I've been saying this for a while now. We got exposed in the Indy playoff game and continue to get exposed every time we play a great QB.

I thought they beat Brady last year as well as Wilson and Rivers. IIRC, the Steelers only scored 20 as well.

He's like Reid.....inconsistent as shit.