Mock (11/14)
 

Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained.

2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015.

3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed).

4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming.

5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin.

6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray.

7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals.

8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal.

9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster).

On with the show:

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1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State

The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety.

The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring.

Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside.

2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA

The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself.

3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State

Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine.

3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU

A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary.

4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut

Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate.

5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina

Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016.

5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers

Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it.

5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia

An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia.

6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State

A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle.

7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor

An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget.

7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin

A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.

QB: Smith, Daniel, Murray vs. Bray
RB: Charles, Davis, Thomas, Gray, Robinson
FB: Sherman

WR: Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Thomas, Mitchell
TE: Kelce, Kendricks, Kroft

LT: Fisher, Stephenson
LG: Matias, Allen
C: Hudson, Kush
RG: Fulton, Allen
RT: Stephenson, Duvarney-Tardif, Havenstein

DE: Vickerson, Howard
NT: Poe, Walker, Dukes
DE: Edwards, Catapano

OLB: Hali vs. Ford
ILB: Mays, Mauga
ILB: Kendricks, Johnson
OLB: Houston, Martin

CB: Smith, Gaines, Owens, Collins, Jones
S: Berry, Abdullah, Parker, Commings, Jones

K: Roth
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford

Damn I was gonna do a mock with Mario as my 1st rd pick. It would be sad losing Bailey though. I think he needs to be kept any way possible.

Like the offseason plan kendricks would be a beast behind kelce. Like shorts and kearse pickups.

Like the draft position wise vs the offsesson. Id much rather have a cb or tackle in the first than an end not named oakman. Couldnt inagine how nasty our d could be if we had a secondary even comparable to arizona or seattles. Also I love eric kendricks as a second rounder, but I very highy doubt hes there.

Still have shit at wide receiver, even with those signings. **** you. Let's draft a ****ing wide receiver.

Not a fan of Mitchell, I take it.

Shorts and Mitchell would count for only 1 WR. Chances are that they'll each only play half of the season. Shorts is always dinged up for one reason or another. Mitchell has his own injury issues.

Like the Kendrick signing.

Instead of targeting free agent wrs I'd target one lower level one and shoot for Iupati should he be let free.

nomnomnom, now youre talking.

6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray.

Whoops-first miss.

Strike One

LMAO

damn didnt even catch that. what was your reasoning behind letting bailey go shun? its incredibly hard to find 5 techs who can rush the passer.

Direckshun has no reasoning. He just likes to make mock drafts every day.

:D

Done

Agreed.

Not that I expect anyone to notice, but I've retained Bailey in every one of my offseason hypotheticals (so of course as soon as I assume we lose him, we extend him...).

These are just hypotheticals I toss out, to see how it would affect the draft. That said, we don't have a ton of cap space this year, and someone's going to be the odd man out. In this hypothetical, we retained Berry, Hali, Hudson, Parker, and Houston, while losing Bailey and DJ.

I couldn't be more pleased that we don't have to be making any more hypotheticals about Bailey for a few years.

If Dorsey continues his trend, I'd expect a replacements for Bowe and Sean Smith very early in this draft. He seems to like to be ready for expiring contracts or expected big money cuts.

With two full drafts under Dorsey, it's crystal clear that he chooses the best available athlete/player in each slot and does not "target" specific positions.

Yeah I bet with Albert being injury prone , our D falling apart last year due to Tamba/Houston injuries and Houston/Tamba's contract structure, those picks were just coincidence.

I'm sure it was also "coincidence" that when Dorsey was GB's director of football operations in 2012, and had heavy influence in the draft, his mentors in GB drafted defense all 6 picks in the first 5 rds.
Ever think it wasn't BPA and maybe bc they were dead last in the NFL on defense in 2011?

BPA my ass. Crow is right.

Nonsense.

So who was the best choice for #1 overall in 2013? Who was the best choice in 2014?

Personally, I thought that Ford was a phenomenal choice. The only other player that I wanted more than Ford was Ryan Shazier but he went earlier in the draft.

Furthermore, Albert only missed seven games out of a possible 81 games. That's far from "injury prone".

Albert had a lot of in-game injuries where he had to come off the field. It happened a lot. And look what it led to this year?

It doesn't matter what happened in Miami.

How can you make the case that Dorsey doesn't choose the best available athlete? I've seen the negative nonsense that's been going on in this forum with the "Fire Dorsey" and "Dorsey Sucks" posts and threads. Silly. Crazy. Outright dumb.

Kelce, Knile Davis, Johnson, Commings, Kush and Catapano were the best players available. The Chiefs didn't "need" another running back, they didn't "need" another safety, they didn't "need" another DE with Jackson, Bailey, DeVito, etc. nor did they "need" a center with a healthy Rodney Hudson.

I don't care what anyone says, Ford was the best available athlete at 23, Gaines was a BPA (they had Cooper, Parker, Owens & Smith), DAT should have gone a full round earlier and was CERTAINLY the BPA. Aaron Murry? No brainer. Zach Fulton and LDT were the BPA's, especially since Roke Watkins and Rishaw Johnson played well and they had signed Linkenbach.

Kelvin Benjamin. End of story. Ford is hardly even seeing the field. He may turn out to be great but I'm not holding my breath. Dennard, Buchanan and Verrett would all appear to be better athletes are you asked in the next post. Ford the best athlete because of a quick first step and little else at this point? Really?

Edit: as far as 2013, I probably would have went with Ansah, Star L, Richardson or Jordan (who hasn't shown much f anything yet).

Nonsense.

Kelvin Benjamin had questions about his character before the draft. He had a reputation for taking plays off. He also recently admitted that he "tanked" his 40 time at the Combine in order to go to a better team.

No thanks.

Pretty sure he was joking in an impromptu interview about that tanking stuff.

Pretty sure most of the people in this section of the forum know I was pushing HARD for Jordan Matthews at WR.

Matthews has 44 catches for 558 yards and 6 TDs, including back-to-back 100+ yard games and a TD in 3 straight. He's turning into a go-to option.

My secondary option was Jimmie Ward who was playing okay in the nickle for SF until he injured his foot and is out for the year.

Dee Ford was the one player I absolutely did not want and here we have him. One can hope he somehow learns to play run defense before next season, but I'm not on board with that pick until he shows me something.

In any event, what tells me Dorsey does not pick Best Player Available in my mind is that I would have (and many others) considered Darqueze Dennard, Bradely Roby, Xavier S'ua Filo, Joel Bitonio, Ra'Shede Hageman, Marqise Lee, Jeremiah Attaochu, Devante Adams, Donte Moncrief, and a few others all better players than Ford. How all those have faired so far I haven't checked.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

And I'm pretty sure you don't understand a stinking thing.

Dennard has short arms. Gaines was the better selection and two rounds deeper. I'll take Gaines over Roby, too. Bitonio? In the first? Ha!

Hageman had character issues, Moncrief over Gaines? Ha! Attaochu in the first? Are you smoking crack?

Good god, really?

:facepalm:

In other news, Mike Evans is even more of a monster.

Just imagine if he had a real QB

The only thing you understand is how to talk out of your ****ing ass like a champ.

I said they were better players, not first ****ing round picks. I didn't have Ford rated in the top 2 rounds. He sucks. He sucks hard ****ing balls. He still sucks. He still can't defend the run. He's still a pussy with a big mouth. Until he proves otherwise, that's all he'll ever be.

My target players were Cooks, Matthews, Ward, in that order in round 1.

I actually had Gaines in several of my mocks. I thought he wouldn't last until round 3 and ended up taking him out towards the end.

Go on thinking about Dorsey's crystal ball, or whatever the **** you think it is. All ****ing NFL teams use analytics for everything they do. If you think Dorsey is breaking some kind of ****ing ground, more power to you.

You're a ****ing moron. I'll be sure to constantly ridicule your awful ****ing posts.

Pull up your panties, lady.

hahaha i care? moving on to the other 12000 douchebags around here

You both are partially right.

Dorsey will go BPA, but he will do it off his board and his board seems to be stacked with talent that will fix current holes and upcoming holes.

They identify holes and upcoming holes, stack the board with players they need to fill em and go BPA from there.

I do like Kendricks though.


Really hope Kevin White ends up with like a Supposed drug problem or something

It's absolutely hilarious how serious mockers like you take yourselves.

"Well, *I* would have taken player X, not player Y".

LMAO

With that said, it would not surprise me if they ended up letting Bowe walk if he didn't agree to a major contract restructure before the draft. The same probably goes for Sean Smith.

Their money should go to working on a Berry extension and the franchise tag for Houston.

Sean smith is a prime player right now, can't let him go.

Ya I don't think so Tim

Sean Smith?? How is he not earning his paltry salary?

Some people act like he's getting Revis money. In fact, he's receiving a half of Revis money.

How do you figure that they can afford to franchise Houston? Dig some cap space out from underneath the couch?

Sean Smith is a solid guy, but they are gonna have to make some tough decisions in the winter.

Good god, this again?

Avery, DeVito and Fasano account for nearly $10 million alone. There is no way they pay Hali $12 million and I'd be shocked if they kept Berry at $8.3 million. It's extremely unlikely they pay Bowe $14 million, so at the end of the day, there will be plenty for Houston.

I'm not saying getting rid of Smith is a better alternative from those moves. I am saying they need to make moves and he could be a possibility.

If I were going to do hair cuts, I'd get rid of:
Devito, Daniel, Avery, Mays and Fasano. If Bowe doesn't agree to a major restructure, cut him also.

Cutting Berry would be foolish. They should try to see if he would agree to a new deal during the winter instead and try to reform his contract away from the old ridiculous rookie deal.

I'm thinking they'll probably move from DJ as well.

I'd actually like to add another athletic TE and keep Fasano but the numbers may not let them.

There is absolutely no way to replace his on field production for less than what they're on the hook for Smith next year.

Berry would be gone before Smith.

They can cut Fasano and get nearly $2 million in cap relief.

I cannot envision a scenario in which he returns. He's been injured frequently and isn't a reliable player.

They've been keeping Berry back out f the box a lot this year, so seems they want to or they already so see him more as a coverage playmaker. So that's good to see for most here who've been wanting that.

I wonder if they can get him at about 7 mil per in a new deal

If they pay Berry $7 million, they won't be able to afford Parker.

I know Berry is very popular with the fan base but Parker is a Dorsey guy and I'll be shocked if they let him walk.

I don't see why they couldn't pay both. Parker isn't going to break the bank.

Parker's deal would probably align with what Abdullah signed. 2 years, bout 3 mil, so I don't think that would be a problem.

He might want more thoughh

I agree with you on tough decisions. Sean Smith wont be one of those decisions though.

Oh, I don't buy that.

Parker can play corner and is in his prime. CB's are at a premium so I think he'll easily get $4 million per, if not much more.

$12 million in Houston, $7 million in Smith, who knows how much in Hali, $6 million in Bailey, etc.

The Chiefs can't afford to dole out $6 million per defensive player.

4 mil per year sounds about right and they can afford and should give him it.

I'm not sure how Sean Smith is now an untouchable player. What I am saying is that CB will likely be on their board and if they land a young stud in the draft and they like how someone (Gaines) is progressing, than that option is on the table.

With that said, I think there are other players I'd look at first if I had a multiple choice (Mays, possibly Johnson at ILB..Bowe...a lot of the offensive line).

He's also played well for 10 games this year, so I dunno that I'd be giving him a lot yet.

I'd imagine you could get him for something like 3 years 10 mil max.

Thing is, in 2016 we've got like 65 million committed. Money can be put into places where th cap won't hurt us retaining players.

That's because they will have hardly anyone in the roster after 2015.

There are CB needy teams that will pay him more than $3 million per.

That's chump change.

That's a lot of "If's".

Welcome to the offseason. They will look into all of those ifs because Dorsey knows how to properly run a franchise.

He is pretty versatile, but he was also an udfa plucked from another team. If someone wants to pay him that much, I trust Dorsey can find another player.

I'm also not sure that Parker isn't better at safety anyway

Direkshun, is Jalen Collins draft elgible?

Parker will cost less than Berry and there was no discernible drop off while Berry was injured.

At this point in time, I can see Dorsey retaining Parker and cutting Berry.

When you look at how everyone else has progressed in their second year of he same scheme, it's not hard to think Berry has or would have as well if not for injury.

In his two games back, he's making plays in the pass game, which is what we all wanted.

With the way they ask the safeties to be versatile and not have a distinction in free vs strong, I can see them keeping both at a high priority.

His salary is too prohibitive to pay him $8 million + when a guy earning league minimum has performed equally as well.

Eh, we don't see eye to eye on it so there's no point arguing,

Then just explain to me why Eric Berry's play justifies an $11 million dollar salary this year.

What does he offer that's so special that it can't be replicated by a player earning one tenth what he's earning?

Because quite frankly, I can't see it.

He was hurt early in training camp then again in game 2. This year, no he hasn't.

But he's coming off an all pro season, and like i said, as much as everyone else has improved in year two in th scheme, it's not hard to imagine Berry would have been that much better had he stayed healthy.

Also, they're using him differently this year than they did last year (according to sorter, who I won't argue with) more so allowing him to make plays in the passing game, which since returning from injury he has been.

And who is gonna replace him? Abdullah who is turning 30 next year and on his last year of his contract?

Abdullah will be a "young" 30, as he was out of football for a while. There is no reason to believe he will suddenly hit the wall. The Chiefs still have Commings and will likely draft and sign guys that will replace him down the road.

But Abdullah isn't the issue at hand, so I'm not sure why you're even including him in this conversation.

I think Berry played to his contract last year. Hop3fully, not that he's healthy, he plays as well or better than he was playing last year.

Commings is finished. He can't stay on the field ever. He never even made it on the field in the first place.

We would need to draft one

Yes. But I'd rather have Mills.

Kurtis Drummond would be a safety I'd look at.

Commings may not have an NFL body but the NFL has been littered with guys that were unable to play their first or second season that later became good, if not great, NFL players.

Case in point today: Tony Moeaki scored his first TD since 2012 against the Chiefs.

Is there anyone in this forum that wouldn't want him on this roster opposite Kelce right now?

Yes. He's a hell of a corner, too. Unknown if he will declare.

I am growing more and more convinced that this will be the case.

I think it's just as likely the Chiefs trade Berry for a receiver or talented ILB.

I would rather have Fasano over Moeaki. I am very pleased I don't have to think about Moeaki on our roster anymore.

Honestly I'd rather have Lance Kendricks over either.

If I were Dorsey, I'd probably get Parker inked right now. This early, you can probably get him around $2m/year, and probably cheaper.

I think Dane is overselling him -- Parker's only produced for less than one season. He's only played CB effectively for two games. Nobody's shelling out $4m/year for him yet.

I also extend Berry at about $8m/year. He has played well coming back from injury, and played very well in Buffalo and this week.

$2 million? For a starting CB/Safety that's a bonafide playmaker?

There would be 32 teams lined up to sign that guy for $2 million.

Rubblebucket sucks, btw.

Where are you finding these hellaciously bad bands?

Are they like the opening band for your mock? So that, by comparison, it looks half-way decent?