Sanders Commings and Travis Kelce
 

They good?

We need help at DB and TE....

Discuss.

Hard to count on either of them.

I'm hoping that Commings is the answer at FS but I'm not holding my breath.

Especially Kelce.

What put Commings on IR?

Same Shoulder he hurt before.

Both good depth at absolute best.

He's as slow as a bus.

Had two critical third down conversions...

Commings had one game where he ran in on the blitz. In one play, it was obvious he has speed most of our secondary does not. And he didn't even grade out as overly fast.

Our secondary is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

Kendrick Lewis is the awesome combination of slow and low football IQ.

Based on their play this year, I'm not sure how anyone could think they won't be good.

7.8% unemployment yet Kendrick Lewis has a job.

LMAO

worst case is Sanders Commings contributes nothing and Sutton still sucks
best case is Sanders Commings is just another future Pro Bowler Sutton has no idea what to do with.

so, the same.

When I learned that Kelce and that C from Philly were brothers, for whatever reason I've just had a difficult time taking him seriously. At the same time though, it gives me the vibe that we may end up having him on the squad for a while. I dunno, just a hunch.

We havent had much luck with tight ends or safeties lately, thats for sure.

Only one of the last three safeties has done anything, Menzie didnt make it past his first year, Commings barely played.

Then at tight end, O'Connell sucked out loud and Fasano was dinged up half the time... it would sure be nice if Commings and Kelce could get it together next year.

We need a dominant TE. Kelce can be that, I say he starts next year but we'd be wise to look at other options. I think Commings will be a player, really do, good speed, but also a scenario where we need to consider all possibilities.

I think we need to look at upgrading both positions. It's not like we're deep at either one...

we can't count on either so we have to have more options at FS and TE going into next season.

Agreed.

Two glaring weaknesses that were exposed in the playoff game.

I for one, was a huge supporter of the Kelce get. But, then when he did play in the preseason, he didn't look good. Dropped a lot of passes. He came in with Injury issues, then got hurt, and didn't play at all.

And with Commings. he looks the part. I just wonder if he is going to be ever play the part because of injuries.

Eric Ebron round one, Tre Boston round 3 looking better and better in all honesty.

Travis Kelce appears to have big-time upside. He has health / maturity issues -- I wonder what the regime thinks of him going forward on those fronts. I think we'll know on draft day.

He would have fit in so well with Greg Wesley.

Isnt his knee injury possibly career ending?That was the word when it happened, but I cant find any more info on that.

Microfracture surgery.

Wesley could at least hit.

Didn't wrap up and tackle worth a $3it but he'd lower the boom once every two weeks or so...

i remember Kelce dropping the shit out of the ball in preseason.

Davis looks like the only keeper out of last years draft...

He's William Bartee's long-lost brother. You should have seen the reunion, they just tackled each other. I mean, they both missed but the thought was there.

Let's see how our starting LT does next year.

In our division the secondary must be exceptionally strong. They need more speed and talent at CB and overhaul at FS.

Kelce may become a useful TE, but they need better frontline talent.

Albert will likely be gone...

Yup. I was referring to our 2014 starting LT.

Name: Travis Kelce (+) Coming off 01/20/13 Sports hernia surgery
College: Cincinnati Number: 18
Height: 6-5 Weight: 255
Position: TE Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2013
40 Low: 4.52 40 Time: 4.64 40 High: 4.75
Projected Round: 2-3 Stock: High: 2nd Low: 3rd-4th
Rated number 3 out of 97 TE's 66 / 2431 TOTAL



Name: Sanders Commings
College: Georgia Number: 19
Height: 6-0 Weight: 216
Position: CB Pos2: FS/SS
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2013
40 Low: 4.34 40 Time: 4.41 40 High: 4.54
Projected Round: 4 Stock: High: Late 2nd Low: 3rd-4th
Rated number 17 out of 217 CB's 132 / 2431 TOTAL

Both have more speed than we currently have. Exc. maybe EB in the secondary?

That's not unusual. Gonzo had the same issues as a rookie, which is why Ted Popson got so much PT that year. Hopefully Kelce can recover and come along this offseason, because he showed good ability in Cincy. And he is a third rounder, so we need to make sure we hit on those guys.

I suppose the good thing is that the knee happened at the beginning of the year rather than the middle-end, so he's had some good rehab time already I would assume...

It's really hard to expect anything from Kelce at this point. I am starting to feel like tight ends with injury history just never ever ever stay healthy.

Am I missing a six injuries or are people writing him off on the bad knee he's been fighting since the start of the year?

10/13/13 - The Kansas City Chiefs officially placed rookie tight end Travis Kelce on injured reserve on Saturday. Kelce, 24, had microfracture knee surgery this week. Kansas City took Kelce in the third round of the draft out of Cincinnati. To fill Kelce's spot on the roster, the Chiefs promoted rookie safety Bradley McDougald from their practice squad. McDougald, out of Kansas, has played two games but has spent the majority of the season on the practice squad.
09/25/13 - TE Travis Kelce did not practice on Wednesday with the Chiefs as he continues to try to come back from a bruised knee that he suffered on August 24. Kelce was inactive for the last game in Philadelphia.
09/16/13 - TE Travis Kelce continues to battle a knee bruise that he suffered on Aug. 24. Kelce was on the field for a few plays in Sunday's game against Dallas, but he did not take part in the team's limited walkthrough practice on Monday ahead of Thursday night's game in Philadelphia.
09/13/13 - TE Travis Kelce did not practice on Thursday due to a bruised knee. He was a limited participant in Wednesday's practice so he's headed in the wrong director for getting on the field this Sunday against Dallas. Kelce suffered the injury on August 24th in a preseason game against Pittsburgh.
09/10/13 - TE Travis Kelce dressed but did not play in the Chiefs opening game of the regular season against Jacksonville. Kelce has been dealing with a knee bruise that he suffered on August 24th and then re-injured in the team's final preseason game against Green Bay on August 29th.
08/27/13 - TE Travis Kelce returned to practice this week after missing the Chiefs game against Pittsburgh because of a knee bruise that he suffered in the second preseason game.
08/19/13 - TE Travis Kelce, the Chiefs' third-round draft choice, suffered a bruised knee in the game against San Francisco and was not able to return for practice.
04/29/13 - A closer look at the Chiefs' picks: Round 3/63 - Travis Kelce, TE, 6-5, 260, Cincinnati...The former high school quarterback is just developing as a tight end, but he can catch and he can block well enough to get plenty of snaps in coach Andy Reid's offense. The Chiefs say they aren't concerned about his 2010 suspension for a positive drug test. - The Sports Xchange
04/25/13 - DANE BRUGLER'S FINAL 2013 DRAFT BOARD: 30. TE Travis Kelce, Cincinnati (6-5, 255, 5SR)...The younger brother of Eagles center Jason Kelce, Travis Kelce is the top senior tight end in this class, with the strength and speed to be a consistent receiving and blocking threat. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
04/24/13 - 2013 NFL DRAFT RANG'S GANG: TE: Travis Kelce, Cincinnati, 6-5, 250, 4.64...Kelce signed (and played, at times) with the Bearcats as a quarterback and served as the backup to Adrien Robinson (now a member of the New York Giants) so his only season as Cincinnati's starting tight end was in 2012. As such, he's raw and comes with some baggage as he was suspended for the entire 2010 season. Other than top-rated tight end Tyler Eifert, however, Kelce possesses the most intriguing upside of this year's class, boasting size, athleticism, ball skills and physicality. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

So he's injury prone due to a lingering knee issue that's now been surgically addressed. People talk about him like he's the Gronk hurt every other week.

Yes, unlike Knile Davis and Moeaki, I am unaware of any consistent injury history with Kelce. Although knee micro-fracture injuries always come across as scary...

2013 draft, full of glass.

I had been impressed by Commings even before the Chiefs drafted him.

He's faster than most any crap we have in the secondary now, and hits like a truck...it was really disappointing to see him get injured. I hope he's back to 100% this next year so we can see what we got in him...

Eric Berry and Sanders Commings basically ran the same times in the combine. Both are 4.40 guys.

This combined with not being Kendrick Lewis means he's good in my book.

Agreed. If he can stay healthy I think he can compete for the FS job and play solidly in that position. Abdullah is another player that I would look at to man the fort. He's not spectacular but he is solid and will make a play if there is one to be made.

Didn't Abdullah have 2 INT's in the Colts game? I can't remember and won't go back and watch that crap fest.

He did

Yes he did

Deal is Kelce has nowhere near "GronK" hands. (or even Duck Dynasty or Fasano hands for that matter) In preseason he put on a clinic on how NOT to catch the ball. He looked like he was fighting to catch every pass that came his way. Also showed that he was just as bad at blocking. Maybe he was thinking too much which often happens to rookies. :shrug: If he happens to contribute, I'd consider it a bonus but no way going into next season I'd count on him for much.

yea but Kelce is big and fast, he's a mismatch nightmare, can't catch or block but he's got the speed thing that Duck Dynasty and Fasano lack big time. Alex loves himself a fast TE.

I've got no defense for him on preseason but as kelces cp lawyer today I feel I made a case now it's his turn. I hope he and commings both turn out to be what they appear they coulda been. Anyone have scouting vids on them? I remember seeing a kelce one way back but not a commings vid. And didn't be play some corner as well as safety?

I want to know why anybody thinks Commings is a free safety.

Dude is stacked. He's built more like a piano lifter than he is a piano player.

We'll have to wait to see who we sign/draft...

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Is this the second or third time on the same shoulder?

Yeah, I'm coming around to that guy... knew early on he can thump, but he has proven he can catch them when they come his way, two picks in the clutch is nothing to sneeze at.

Gonna be reeeal interesting to see how Dorsey/Reid play everything in the draft and free agency against whats already in house on both sides of the ball, he's already given us some real lookers for next to nothing... how that plays out against who they intend to keep will be very interesting.

I'm always excited for the draft and free agency, but I've never been so intrigued... its going to be an incredibly interesting offseason.

So I take it you don't think there's a chance in hell that Fisher is our starting LT next season.

I like to look at them like a couple more quality rookie prospects for our roster, unless they are practically destructed from this year, and are not capable of NFL play. You never know. We're going to miss the value of our second round pick, although I do not regret the trade for Alex.

don't they already "play" for the chiefs?

can't say i have noticed either this year
so no

Did he seriously spell the name of his team/employer wrong in the hashtag?

I was dead wrong about Smith's upside.

Dude can ball IF the conditions are right. And we should definitely do all we can to make that so.

That said, no, I think Fish needs to be tossed to the bottom of the heap and forced to earn any spot he's got due to performance and performance only...

Sounds like a white delanie walker. But Walker could block his ass off.

Have you ever typed Chiefs with a bum collarbone?

I think not!

bust

Wouldn't count on either. Add impact offensive receiver and tight end this offseason. Retool the oline. Add another pass rusher and back up NT to give Poe a break. Need to add another good safety and add to our secondary.

Well, they have him running a 4.41 40 at the combine, 5th fastest DB there.

Sign. Me. Up.

Eric, make sure you stay on this guy, ok?

Kelces big upside is being a good blocker who generates power through his lower body. If for nothing else he'll bump duck McGrath out for this reason alone. McGrath is ****ing horrible at blocking.

He's mentioned here as the best tight end taken as far as blocking goes.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/5/2...ckey-andy-reid

mcaj22 says Kelce is big and fast but not a good blocker. Dune says his big strength is that he's a good blocker.

We need a REAL TE on this team, in a bad way. We can't depend on a myth and prayer.

You can't count on either one, because they were both rookies that didn't get to play due to injuries. So you don't know what you have in either one.

Exactly both are unproven but should be competitive with what we have/bring in based on upside. In scouting reports kelce is noted as athletic, a good blocker, and there is no knock on his hands. But in chiefs preseason he had some get by him. And what I've seen in sanders scouting reports makes me think if this guy hasn't been hurt this year he'd be our Fs next year for sure. Who's currently competing for the spot demps, Abdullah, commings, and technically Lewis? At tight end it's Fasano with the lock on te1 then between kelce and duck McGrath for two. Didn't we start the season carrying two active tight ends? Or was there three?

yea it took Walker 2-3 offseasons to master the blocking

I read he put a lot of time in though, hopefully the same for Kelce.

you can judge for yourself.

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i don't think they ever drafted him to play much inline blocking (Fasano). He's most of the time standing. and what do you call the 3:00 mark? Slow? I call that something no TE on this roster could do this season. Yea it's in college, but he's faster than what we got.

Didn't realize how serious microfracture surgery was. Googled it. It's not a given that Kelce will ever be 100%. Some guys do, others don't.

yea these two guys might be ****ed with their 100 surgeries. that's a whole other argument. Commings is on like 2 or 3 shoulder surgeries here.

I think your right he's a guy that will likely be motioned out. Imagine the mismatch when we appear to be running the box is stacked then pre a ap a tight end and a rb move out to a 4 Reciever set.

Holy ****nuts.

Commings is a fantastic athlete and he hits like a truck. JIMP

I'd really, really like to see him pan out. Let's hope the surgery sets him at 100% and he plays smart.

I still have no clue why people think Commings will become a safety for this team. I know draftniks projected him there, I'd love for it to happen, but has he ever one as a Chiefs lined up as a safety? Even in mini cap, training camp or practice?