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Hammock Parties 08-01-2013 05:14 PM

Geno Smith outplaying Mark Sanchez
 
Suck it, haters. Suck the choco-penii of destiny, feel it's power. It could have been ours.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-training-camp

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CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Rookie Geno Smith has outplayed Mark Sanchez through the first week of training camp, pulling even or perhaps ahead in the New York Jets' quarterback competition.

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It was Sanchez's turn to lead the starting unit and he struggled, throwing an interception for the second straight practice. Smith has yet to throw an interception in team drills over the first five practices.

It's premature to anoint a starter -- after all, they haven't begun live tackling -- but the early development is noteworthy because people close to the team expected Sanchez, based on his experience, to look sharper than Smith at the outset. That hasn't been the case.

"Everybody gets enamored with the guy who throws a 96 mph fastball," coach Rex Ryan said of Smith. To be politically correct, Ryan quickly added, "But Mark certainly has a good enough arm to play in this league."

It didn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Sanchez declined to say whether he believes he's leading the competition.

"I don't know, ask the coaches," he said. "I feel good, though. I feel confident. I feel like I'm playing really well."

Smith has sparkled with his accuracy, but he tends to hold the ball too long when facing pressure, according to Ryan. That, he said, "concerns me a little bit." The organization knows what it has in Sanchez, who was benched late last season.

Privately, the hope is that Smith can master the offense and seize the starting job. Even if he doesn't win it, Smith will be involved in the offense. Even though Tim Tebow is gone, Ryan said he remains committed to running the ball from the quarterback position.

He's intrigued by Smith's running ability, which would give the Jets a run-pass option at the quarterback position. Ryan acknowledged the plan, admitting last year's strategy under former coordinator Tony Sparano was ill-conceived. They never trusted Tebow to throw the ball. Whenever they used him, it usually was a read-option running play between the tackles.

"I think if that's the only thing you do with that position, why don't you just leave a running back in, a guy that's trained to do it?" Ryan said, second-guessing last season's approach. "If you're going to have a quarterback do it, like a (Colin) Kaepernick or somebody like that, it becomes more of a weapon because you know it's not just Tebow coming and he's going to run the ball. That's kind of where we were last year."

Ryan laughed when asked if he plans to use the Wildcat (or read-option) more than last year. Tebow finished with 32 rushes, averaging only 3.2 yards per carry.

"We probably will because, you guys say it, we never used it," he said. "So I would say, yeah, I think that will be part of what we do."

In the Wildcat, the ball is snapped to a nonquarterback. In those situations, the Jets can utilize wide receiver Jeremy Kerley or a running back, probably Bilal Powell. When Smith is on the field, either as the starter or a change-of-pace quarterback, they can employ the read-option.

The presence of new quarterbacks coach David Lee, one of the Wildcat innovators, is another reason the team is planning to use it. Sanchez said he could run the read-option, but there's little chance of that happening. His running ability will forever be linked to the "Butt Fumble," when he ran into a lineman's rear end last season.

Smith's athleticism could be a factor in the quarterback decision. Sanchez acknowledged that Smith is "very talented when it comes to that stuff. But I can't worry about it." Sanchez joked about the quarterback competition, mentioning that he sees more front-office types on the field for practice, scribbling notes during routine drills.

He said it reminds him of his rookie year in 2009, when he won the job against Kellen Clemens.

"For you (reporters), it's your job, but it's funny to see everybody else charting stuff," he said. "Everything is under scrutiny. There's a ton of pressure. That's the way you like it; that's the way you play this position."

ToxSocks 08-01-2013 05:14 PM

This has been posted several times in a few different threads.

Trust me, we know already.

Ceej 08-01-2013 05:16 PM

And that's hard to do?

Sanchez has always been a bum.

Mr. Arrowhead 08-01-2013 05:17 PM

sanchez sucks, cassel might be better

Ace Gunner 08-01-2013 05:19 PM

you are looking pretty smart. if training camp went all year long.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 08-01-2013 05:19 PM

I can't fathom this. The media has been bending over backwards to kiss Sanchez's ass of late...

Eleazar 08-01-2013 05:22 PM

Ignoring the fact that there's little chance Sanchez won't be the opening day starter, what would beating him out prove, anyway?

Hammock Parties 08-01-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9851640)
you are looking pretty smart.

Thanks. I am.

Ace Gunner 08-01-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9851664)
Thanks. I am.

:D don't touch that second line tiger.

Ace Gunner 08-01-2013 05:33 PM

I'm a NYC native -- I am certain we will see Geno at some point this season and the Mark Sanchez era will be over.

but, I expect he is going to struggle a few seasons too.

AdumbGuy 08-01-2013 05:37 PM

At this point I don't know if I want Geno to succeed spectacularly since that would validate my belief that we should have drafted him, or to fail miserably just so I can have more faith in the current regime.

PHOG 08-01-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9851678)
At this point I don't know if I want Geno to succeed spectacularly since that would validate my belief that we should have drafted him, or to fail miserably just so I can have more faith in the current regime.

I would vote for the latter,but it doesn't really matter what happens, the die is cast, for better or worse.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 08-01-2013 05:40 PM

Saving Ryan's job would not be good for his career IMO.

Cannibal 08-01-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9851678)
At this point I don't know if I want Geno to succeed spectacularly since that would validate my belief that we should have drafted him, or to fail miserably just so I can have more faith in the current regime.

Geno is going to have a very mediocre career.

AdumbGuy 08-01-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9851686)
Geno is going to have a very mediocre career.

Mediocrity ****s up my scenarios! What makes you think he's only going to be mediocre, though?

Hammock Parties 08-01-2013 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9851698)
What makes you think he's only going to be mediocre, though?

Geno isn't wearing a red helmet.

BigMeatballDave 08-01-2013 05:55 PM

Go be a Jets fan.

O.city 08-01-2013 05:56 PM

Don't really care either way.

Messier 08-01-2013 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9851704)
Geno isn't wearing a red helmet.

Classic!

AdumbGuy 08-01-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint (Post 9851685)
Saving Ryan's job would not be good for his career IMO.

Can't argue with that. How can anybody, anywhere take him seriously with that tattoo of his wife as mark sanchez.

BigMeatballDave 08-01-2013 06:00 PM

Clay has his 'Larry Johnson'

Gravedigger 08-01-2013 06:01 PM

Some people say that Geno Smith is the second coming of Jesus. Personally, I don't see that coming to a T.

O.city 08-01-2013 06:01 PM

Hope he sucks and Ryan gets fired, so we can bring him in to be the DC next year.

Ace Gunner 08-01-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9851686)
Geno is going to have a very mediocre career.

he's never had a mediocre career, doubt it'll happen at this level. he's got a big step to make if he ends up on the field this season.

The NFL is a streaky game where QB's with enough talent and tenacity can get hot and go championship -- like Eli Manning or Joe Flacco.

rarely do we see an Elway or a Brady etc that is obviously a consistent winner playing in the NFL.

I don't know if Geno will make it at this level. But I'm pretty sure, if he does, he's going to be streaky.

KCUnited 08-01-2013 06:14 PM

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

I wonder if this veteran was at Jets West bonding with Mark.

HonestChieffan 08-01-2013 06:25 PM

Geno eats the dick

Easy 6 08-01-2013 06:30 PM

Doesnt matter, who cares.

beach tribe 08-01-2013 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9851725)
he's never had a mediocre career, doubt it'll happen at this level. he's got a big step to make if he ends up on the field this season.

The NFL is a streaky game where QB's with enough talent and tenacity can get hot and go championship -- like Eli Manning or Joe Flacco.

rarely do we see an Elway or a Brady etc that is obviously a consistent winner playing in the NFL.

I don't know if Geno will make it at this level. But I'm pretty sure, if he does, he's going to be streaky.

Eli?
Flacco?

Please.

More like Aaron Brooks or Jim Drunkenmiller.

RealSNR 08-01-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9851678)
At this point I don't know if I want Geno to succeed spectacularly since that would validate my belief that we should have drafted him, or to fail miserably just so I can have more faith in the current regime.

How about you look truth square in the face? That doesn't mean you have to bail on Reid/Dorsey, but it does mean that their penises are just as tiny as Pioli's, Herm's, Carl's, Marty's, and all the other dumbasses scared of drafting QBs.

They would have been wrong about Geno and Alex Smith. If they fix that mistake, then no worries. But they still made a mistake.

O.city 08-01-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9851791)
How about you look truth square in the face? That doesn't mean you have to bail on Reid/Dorsey, but it does mean that their penises are just as tiny as Pioli's, Herm's, Carl's, Marty's, and all the other dumbasses scared of drafting QBs.

They would have been wrong about Geno and Alex Smith. If they fix that mistake, then no worries. But they still made a mistake.

Just like I/you say to the people who deem Geno a failure at this point, you can't sit here and say that.

At this point, we have no idea which way it will go. Maybe it's Drew Brees, maybe it's Matt Cassel.

We don't know yet whether it was a mistake or not.

houstonwhodat 08-01-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9851686)
Geno is going to have a very mediocre career.

At best.

RealSNR 08-01-2013 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9851797)
Just like I/you say to the people who deem Geno a failure at this point, you can't sit here and say that.

At this point, we have no idea which way it will go. Maybe it's Drew Brees, maybe it's Matt Cassel.

We don't know yet whether it was a mistake or not.

I was operating under the assumption that Geno was going to be a good QB. It was a hypothetical situation.

aturnis 08-01-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan (Post 9851755)
Geno eats the dick

We get it. You hate black people.

kcxiv 08-01-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9851678)
At this point I don't know if I want Geno to succeed spectacularly since that would validate my belief that we should have drafted him, or to fail miserably just so I can have more faith in the current regime.

I want him to do well and i want him to kick ass. Just to prove to someone eventually that hey, you need a ****ing quarterback to win. One that will carry you, not one that you hope doesnt make mistakes.

We need Geno to be a great qb. Im sick of this second rate qb bullshit we are doing.

aturnis 08-01-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9851817)
At best.

Bigot doesn't like Geno. Go figure.

O.city 08-01-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9851819)
I was operating under the assumption that Geno was going to be a good QB. It was a hypothetical situation.

Gotcha.


Statement rescinded. In that case, yes, bad idea.

stonedstooge 08-01-2013 08:06 PM

Imagine how much better he would be doing if he would have went to Dirty Sanchez's weekend barbeque/Dane

Bugeater 08-01-2013 08:15 PM

One thread about this is enough.

tk13 08-01-2013 08:18 PM

I really can't believe he's playing better than a guy that barely completed 50% of his passes and turned it over 26 times last year.

nychief 08-01-2013 08:24 PM

They haven't started wearing pads yet fuktards

Eleazar 08-01-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9851974)
I really can't believe he's playing better than a guy that barely completed 50% of his passes and turned it over 26 times last year.

They say he mastered the buttfumble after only 2 days in camp.

Chief Roundup 08-01-2013 08:52 PM

Just another "fluff" article. This one happens to be about the QB that wasn't worthy.
If this article would have been about any current Chief the OP would have been all about how it is just a fluff piece nobody is in pads and all that.
But go ahead and feel like you are fooling someone other than yourself. Dipshit.

beach tribe 08-01-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9851992)
They haven't started wearing pads yet fuktards

STUD!!

No interceptions!!

Pasta Little Brioni 08-01-2013 09:03 PM

Choco

Ace Gunner 08-01-2013 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9851777)
Eli?
Flacco?

Please.

More like Aaron Brooks or Jim Drunkenmiller.

I don't think Geno is as talented as those two, I was making the point we see more streaky QB's in the modern era that can get hot hand etc.

Jim D was an idiot, Brooks is a good comparison to Geno Smith. I think Geno could become a NFL QB paired with the right coaching, like say these WCO guys, but I don't know if Marty M is a good match up. it's not at all a sure thing. GS was horrible against TT last season and he never seemed to recover. he struggles to read zone defense, can be hesitant and he does make too many bad throws when guys are wide open. he's got a long way to go.

Brock 08-01-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 9852091)
Just another "fluff" article. This one happens to be about the QB that wasn't worthy.
If this article would have been about any current Chief the OP would have been all about how it is just a fluff piece nobody is in pads and all that.
But go ahead and feel like you are fooling someone other than yourself. Dipshit.

People were pretty quick to post about his poor showing at otAs.

beach tribe 08-01-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9852117)
I don't think Geno is as talented as those two, I was making the point we see more streaky QB's in the modern era that can get hot hand etc.

Jim D was an idiot, Brooks is a good comparison to Geno Smith. I think Geno could become a NFL QB paired with the right coaching, like say these WCO guys, but I don't know if Marty M is a good match up. it's not at all a sure thing. GS was horrible against TT last season and he never seemed to recover. he struggles to read zone defense, can be hesitant and he does make too many bad throws when guys are wide open. he's got a long way to go.

I think he is a Brooks clone.

BossChief 08-01-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9852117)
I don't think Geno is as talented as those two, I was making the point we see more streaky QB's in the modern era that can get hot hand etc.

Jim D was an idiot, Brooks is a good comparison to Geno Smith. I think Geno could become a NFL QB paired with the right coaching, like say these WCO guys, but I don't know if Marty M is a good match up. it's not at all a sure thing. GS was horrible against TT last season and he never seemed to recover. he struggles to read zone defense, can be hesitant and he does make too many bad throws when guys are wide open. he's got a long way to go.

Marty Morningwig is a WCO guy, isn't he?

Hammock Parties 08-01-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9852128)
I think he is a Brooks clone.

Racist take.

DeezNutz 08-01-2013 09:39 PM

I have absolutely no idea how important training camp performances and reports actually are. On the one hand, I think there should be a progression and sharpening. But, on the other hand, I've seen enough Baldwins to think that it's all pretty meaningless, too.

keg in kc 08-01-2013 09:40 PM

You'd hope he'd outplay Sanchez. Sanchez is awful.

Brock 08-01-2013 09:42 PM

It's either going to be "he got beat by sanchez" or "he only beat sanchez".

SAUTO 08-01-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9852205)
It's either going to be "he got beat by sanchez" or "he only beat sanchez".

Yep.
Posted via Mobile Device

keg in kc 08-01-2013 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9852205)
It's either going to be "he got beat by sanchez" or "he only beat sanchez".

All of his detractors and many of his fans thought he needed at least a year on the bench, so him beating anybody, even if it is only Sanchez, sort of throws a wrench into that script (the "he needed a year" script, not what you said - I agree with you).

beach tribe 08-01-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9852193)
Racist take.

I know. The fact that the QB he most aptly compares to is black makes me a total racist.
If he was cloned from someone, I can guarantee that person would not be white.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9852215)
I know. The fact that the QB he most aptly compares to is black makes me a total racist.
If he was cloned from someone, I can guarantee that person would not be white.

Don't think he's anything like Brooks.

He's not a scrambler or a moron.

themanwithnoname 08-01-2013 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9852193)
Racist take.

Sad thing is, there absolutely are people here that let race impact their opinions.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9852201)
You'd hope he'd outplay Sanchez. Sanchez is awful.

Isn't Sanchez a practice stud though? I thought he was like Cassel in that they played a lot better in camp and practice which is why coaches and others were so convinced that they weren't dogshit.

beach tribe 08-01-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9852218)
Don't think he's anything like Brooks.

He's not a scrambler or a moron.

Brooks was not a scrambler. Averaged 16.5 Rushing YPG.

Nice stereotype. Racist.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9852228)
Brooks was not a scrambler. Averaged 16.5 Rushing YPG.

Nice stereotype. Racist.

You sound like you never watched him play. He was definitely a guy who ran around and abandoned the pocket.

Brooks also did not have accuracy like Geno.

This is a bad comparison.

Chief Roundup 08-01-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9852118)
People were pretty quick to post about his poor showing at otAs.

It is and has been getting thick around here. Lot of tired people. Some tired of waiting. Others tired of hearing about something that by the majority of the people in the know was just not there this year. It is hard to fathom that there wouldn't be a QB worth the #1 overall in the year that the Chiefs finally have the pick.
We need football and some wins.

ShortRoundChief 08-01-2013 10:11 PM

Geno threw 3/3 a passing drill he's 100%, Sanchez threw 2/3, he's 66%. IM RIGHT!!!! Geno is the next Zeus1
/Clay

beach tribe 08-01-2013 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9852231)
You sound like you never watched him play. He was definitely a guy who ran around and abandoned the pocket.

Brooks also did not have accuracy like Geno.

This is a bad comparison.

I watched him a TON. I lived in Pensacola his entire career.
Saints game every week on Fox.
Even watched him live twice.

Fact is you labeled a guy who scrambled for 16 ypg as a scrambler for no reason other than the fact that he is black.
Nice Going, Racist.
I compared him to Geno, who from what I can gather, averaged 15.1 ypg.

beach tribe 08-01-2013 11:08 PM

I guess if Bono was black, Claythan would consider him the greatest scrambler of all time..
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Dave Lane 08-01-2013 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 9851723)
Some people say that Geno Smith is the second coming of Jesus. Personally, I don't see that coming to a T.

Well I think that is one hundred and ten percent accurate.

Think about it...

KCrockaholic 08-01-2013 11:54 PM

That's my quarterback.

beach tribe 08-01-2013 11:56 PM

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Marco Polo 08-02-2013 07:57 PM

According to ESPN New York, Jets rookie Geno Smith has yet to throw a single interception in training camp team drills.
He's gone eight practices without a pick in 11-on-11s. Beat writer Rich Cimini doesn't provide a total of Mark Sanchez's interceptions, but it's no secret he's long been prone to turnovers. Smith never threw more than seven picks in a college season, and posted a 42:6 TD-to-INT ratio as a senior at West Virginia. If the Jets are looking to play ball-control offense -- as they should be this year -- Smith is likely to be their best option.

9er guy 08-02-2013 07:58 PM

This is a classic example of Douche vs turd sandwich.

TEX 08-02-2013 08:05 PM

Geno Smith - LMAO

Mark Sanchez - LMAO

WTF CARES?

Setsuna 08-02-2013 08:21 PM

And the classic butt hurt of Chiefs fans continues.

Hammock Parties 08-02-2013 08:24 PM

Why shouldn't we be butt hurt?

beach tribe 08-02-2013 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 9854078)
According to ESPN New York, Jets rookie Geno Smith has yet to throw a single interception in training camp team drills.
He's gone eight practices without a pick in 11-on-11s. Beat writer Rich Cimini doesn't provide a total of Mark Sanchez's interceptions, but it's no secret he's long been prone to turnovers. Smith never threw more than seven picks in a college season, and posted a 42:6 TD-to-INT ratio as a senior at West Virginia. If the Jets are looking to play ball-control offense -- as they should be this year -- Smith is likely to be their best option.

And the ball never touched the ground at Alex Smiths Pro Day.
BFD.

beach tribe 08-02-2013 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9854235)
Why shouldn't we be butt hurt?

I know right. We could have had the next Aaron Brooks.
How's that latent racism workin out for you BTW?

Hammock Parties 08-02-2013 08:32 PM

You still haven't explained any similarities between Geno and Brooks other than "black."

beach tribe 08-02-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9854298)
You still haven't explained any similarities between Geno and Brooks other than "black."

You mean besides every physical attribute a QB can have?
Also the fact that they can both run very well but dont do it much.

Chief Roundup 08-02-2013 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9854235)
Why shouldn't we be butt hurt?

Because he hasn't done anything yet. Because he was a 2cd round pick. The percentage on 2cd round picks isn't nearly as good as 1st round picks winning SBs.
Since every team in the NFL passed on Geno Smith as the best QB in the draft I find it hard to believe that he will be anything great up there in Jets land. Being better than Mark Sanchez who is/was just as bad or worse than Matt Cassel sure is not saying much for Geno.

beach tribe 08-02-2013 08:46 PM

Wow. Just watched some vids. They look IDENTICAL.
Brooks actually looks slightly more talented. Slightly.

keg in kc 08-02-2013 09:06 PM

I probably watched Brooks play (on TV) in college, since I went to school an hour from UVA, but I can't remember anything from back then. What I do know is that Brooks was only a two year starter (Smith played 3+ years), and that Geno's numbers from either 2011 or 2012 nearly eclipse Brooks' total career stats at Virginia:

Smith: more than 11k yards, above 65%, 98 TD, 21 INT
Brooks: less than 5k yards, below 60%, 34 TD, 17 INT

And I don't remember Brooks being very highly thought-of at the time.

Ming the Merciless 08-02-2013 09:11 PM

Its going to really hurt bad if Geno ends up being special and we got a right ****ing tackle

BossChief 08-02-2013 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9854593)
Its going to really hurt bad if Geno ends up being special and we got a right ****ing tackle

It's almost to be expected.

Superbowl winning quarterbacks we passed on in the draft to "take the safe approach"

Flacco
Rodgers
Brady
Brees

Other solid QBs we passed on the opportunity to draft to keep it safe

Dalton
Kaepernick
Tanehill
Wilson

NONE OF THESE GUYS WERE GOOD ENOUGH, AMIRITE?


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