A txt conversation with a friend who's a lifelong Philly fan..
 

Overall, he likes Andy Reid and appreciates what he's done over the years. I feel that he's pretty much like most of us are about Marty. He's happy to see Reid go (like many of us were with Marty), but I've warned him that we've all learned sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. Anyway, here were some of his points:

"Jamal Charles will never be as great a RB from this day forward as long as he is a Chief"

Me: "He can catch passes you know.."

"Andy reid will make the Chiefs meaningful in the league as long as the owner sticks with him. But you will question some of the personnel moves when drafting. You will win games but you will get sick of the fumbled time management at the end of halfs and end of games. You will get tired of hearing 'I have to be better putting the players in the right positions'.. You'll really get pissed at 3rd and short and Andy calls a deep route to a double covered receiver. That's gonna piss you off post."

Me: "Can't be worse than Marty running it up the center's azz on 3rd and long :) "

Me: "Oh, and 2-14"

He feels very strongly that no matter how awesome Charles is running the ball that he won't get the carries under Reid.

I just thought I'd share..

DT

Improving the passing game will exponentially HELP Jamal. If teams cant load the box, he's going to kill people. He will have a carer year next season, bank on it.

Hell, he just got 1500 yards in a year where every defense knew he was the only weapon...Imagine what he could do if he had a real offense to complement him.

Putting players in the right position would entail putting the ball in Charles's hands. That being said, this could be the greatest thing that ever happened to Charles for his career. I'm guessing this will drop his carries to less than 200. Even if he sees an increase in catches, he will have the option of running out of bounds on the perimeter on a lot of those, and the hits wont be as punishing.

Not sure Reid ever had the consistent running threat that Jamaal Charles represents. Even so, McCoy still managed 1300+ yards in 2011. I just don't think Duce Staley or Brian Westbrook come close to delivering the way Charles can.

All that said, it would be nice to have an offense that throws it downfield again.

Westbrook was a fantasy god under Reid, so shall Charles continue his reign.

one of my biggest complaints about dabol, his style of offense is so old and outdated, it came from a time before the screen was invented... I'm looking forward to seeing the screen return to KC.

I also had a text conversation with a friend of mine from NJ who is a Philly fan. He was not to high on AR, mentioning clock management and indicating that AR mostly rode on the success of the former DC who died. My friend did allow that KC had probably improved their situation.
I also asked if they noticed our fan revolt out there....he said, "Huh?"

i have lived in PA all my life and one thing I know and deal with daily is Philly fans.

Eagles, Phillies, Sixers, Flyers, Penn State you name it, one thing is for sure they are a fanbase completely different and delusional from any other sports fanbase

a Chiefs fan trying to talk to an Eagles fan about football is like apples to oranges, literally pulling teeth.

I wouldnt even waste your time talking to a delusional Eagles fan

This might have as much to do with Cassel's complete inability to throw a screen pass as it does with Daboll's offense.

It's not like Jamal is getting 20 carries a game now. I'd expect carries to be about the same with more receptions.

i dont know what they expect

that Shady McCoy is going to be this god now without Andy? That he's going to magically turn into this 400 carry workhorse or the next Adrian Peterson?

Shady McCoy is good and Andy did a good job preserving his career. Eagles fans dont care they just want him to be ran into the ground

You have to have carries to do that. He's not going to have a career year on 12 carries a game.

I dont care how many carries or yards Charles gets. The idea is to score Points, and if he helps move the ball and score points thats all that matters.

Over the last 6 years the Eagles averaged 26.28 carries per game. The Chiefs over that same span averaged 28.57.

The Chiefs had a high of 556 att. and a low of 379 att.

Philly had a high of 450 and a low of 384

Jamaal Charles had 1400 yards with less than 250 carries a few years ago. He's not a workhorse back. He literally is the PERFECT FIT for Andy Reid.

Give Charles between 200-250 carries and 50-70 catches, and he's going to ****ing KILL next year.

McCoy and Westbrook are not in the same league as Charles. Charles has 'all time' kind of talent.

****.

So we're going to put an emphasis on QB, throwing the football, and Jamal won't be toting the rock 500 times a game?

He's ****ing Satan...

I thought we were using Charles as trade bait

I don't know how this will impact Charles, but I'm confident it will mean fewer Dustin Colquit punts and a shorter gross yardage average. Both are good things.

I grew up in PA too. Philly fans are not delusional. They know their shit, it's just that there aren't many true fans. They didn't give Joe Pa a hard time until the game passed him by, nor have they given much shit to Jerry Manuel or Larry Brown. They gave shit to Reid because he wasn't winning. Understandable reaction.

What's been said above is accurate and most of what I've heard too. The "not wanting to run" deal is a bit exaggerated. I don't worry about it in terms of Charles not getting touches as much as I do passing too often in run situations like short yardage or goal line. And the game management stuff is totally true too.

I'm with Eagles fans on this, but not as extreme. Great hire, he'll make this team a lot better, but we really have to hope that Reid doesn't build a good team only to repeatedly shoot himself in the foot.

Well, at least we will get the screen game into the offense that should have been here since JC was a rookie.

Someone posted a spreadsheet yesterday comparing McCoy's carries and yards to JC's since they have both been in the league. It was very telling. We might as well just STICKY that and save everyone all the back and forth! :clap:

No matter how beautiful and sexy your new head coach is, somewhere...somewhere, there's a fanbase that's sick of his shit.

When Reid has had a good RB, that RB has gotten tons of carries.

It's a non-issue.

Yep.

um, who gives a shit what he thinks?

I am a life long eagles fan and he is very accurate. The reason people like him and I believe Charles will have less of an impact as a runner is because Ried has always looked to run second. He had McCoy one of the best runners in the league and would consistently pass on short yardage regardless of the success then running game was having. One of the most frustrating coaches to watch at times. But huge improvementfor chiefs .

one thing you have to understand is that 70 to 80 percent of the fan base only knows ANDY REID EAGLES. 14 years is a long time. The current 30 year old Eagles fan was 16 when Andy was hired in Philly. That is a LONG time. Majority of their current fanbase jumped on board in the 2000 decade when they were winning. Most of their younger base dont know or experience the Eagles prior to Andy Reid or their losing culture prior to Andy.

They didnt have to endure what a Chiefs fan has, with consistent losing seasons, coaching, staff, FO changes, etc. This year was the first year in like 14 years the Eagles had a true blue LOSING season. Nobody counts that down year with Mike McMahon or whatever that bozos name was. This year was a real stinker for them, and for most Eagles fans, that was a first experience for them.

These are awesome stats and I appreciate you looking them up... However, do those stats reflect RB carries only or do they also incorporate QB scrambles?

If its the latter of the two, those stats might be a shade skewed.

TIA...

better flush both turds just to be safe.

That's the general attitude here in the Mid-Atlantic States. Only a few people noticed and most of them made fun of the Chiefs fans for doing it.

Charles 3 best years

carries - 705
receptions - 120

total touches - 825

Shady 3 best years

carries - 680
receptions - 180

total touches - 860



What is the problem here? This includes where Charles GOT 285 CARRIES in a 2-14 season where this entire forum said "That is way to much to be giving Charles coming off an injury in a shitty season with a terrible coaching staff"

This awful coaching staff and Brian Daboll ran Charles into the GROUND this season. Be thankful he even made it out because that crappy offense literally tried to kill his career.

Jamaal will still get the rock, but you will give a little in the run game for the pass game, and I mean, who gives a shit. Eagles fans just want to run Shady into the ground. Chiefs fans are the exact opposite with their guy

Hell they have heard of it up here in Viking, Greenbay land.

McCoy was top 10 in carries last year, the only season he has been completely healthy in the past 3.

If you combine his carries with Bryce Brown's this year, it is top 10 again. It's not just Michael Vick scrambles getting worked in.

Not trying to be a douche and quote myself but that thread got buried and this is still relevant

That may happen eventually, but for now, I'd take anything other than throwing it out in the flat on 3rd down.

or the audible to that stupid QB sneak on 3rd and short that every team knows Tom Brady does but we are so bad we cant execute it and thus Ed Reed and Ray Lewis shoot the gap and stuff us based on the call, because we were the bad news bears wannabe patriots

What you are all failing to realize is that anyone who has watched Ried for 6 or whatever years knows he under utilizes his RB. Ignore the stupid stats that don't tell the full story.

SCENERIOR :

When it's 3 and 2 in the 4th quarter on a potential game winning drive and Charles Is avg 5yds a carry but Baldwin is dropping every pass thrown his way and the chiefs line up in a shotgun empty backfield and throw to Baldwin across the middle incomplete, that is when you will understand what we're saying about not utilizing a star RB.

Huh?

Grassy-ass, seen-your. I was just curious if the stats were legit.

Glad they were, this is good news.

Always more info buried in stats some explainable and some not. I was just doing a quick check to see what all the fuss was. I am much to lazy to dig deep.

Don't look at me. I'm the guy's biggest fan. I wanted him starting from the day he got here.

I admit that is in part because I always loathed that woman beating wanna-be-thug piece of shit Larry Johnson, but it was also because I thought Charles was highly undervalued as an NFL prospect. I viewed him as a potential elite talent.

For ONCE, I was right, so I'm a huge fan and so forth. LMAO I know that's in response to a ridiculous thread... but still.

I loved Glenn Dorsey too obv that worked out less well.

Well, the fan base overreacted to Reid calling for his head in the way they did. But there are lots of Eagles fans who are telling us what to expect from Reid in a really intelligent way. The text in the OP is pretty spot on. Terrific coach who's going to make some head scratching decisions on game day.

The way I look at it, I really don't care what he does as long as he WINS.

Yes and no. As I've said before... one of the challenges with Reid is that he's going to build one hell of a team, but you have to hope that team is good enough to overcome the fact that in a playoff stretch, he's probably going to shoot himself in the foot plenty of times.

He might have 100 carries for 9900 yards.

Well I guess time will tell. We were 2-14 this season and there is only one way to go from there and that's up. I guess we can worry about him "shooting himself in the foot" when he moves us from 2-14 to the playoffs.

Well, at least he was wrong about Charles...

The secondary cost us this game..

DT

Andy Reid needs to be called out on his clock management issues. The Eagle fan got that one right.