Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again.
 

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

Its not the talent its the coaching. PUKE

Dorsey will be gone after this season.

What they need to ****ing do is start getting Poe snaps at DE and Powe snaps at NT.

This regime is so deadset on not admitting mistakes that they're setting back this franchise.

I would LOVE this...

You fail at football.

3-4 2 gap system


the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White.

the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers

it's also meant to blitz

The D-line is important. The idea of spending 1st round picks on it isn't crazy. However, when the Pats did it they got guys like Seymour and Wilfork. The Chiefs haven't.
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I don't get it. The d-line was probably the strongest area yesterday. They were very good. Turner got like thirty something yards. Ryan never got off a deep pass even though we only brought 3-4 guys all day. Romeo wasn't blitzing very much. I saw him send five guys three times yesterday.

Dorsey might be gone next year but, yesterday was definately not his fault at all. The whole Powe oveer Poe crap is bullshit. Last week it was "poe can't stop the run" and he killed it yesterday. He was in the backfield stopping the run.

This thread is bad.

it isn't crazy but it's very difficult


If you don't get an elite,elite guy you end up with much the same production as you would with 'just a guy'

The Chiefs shouldnt be spending top picks on players that are not "Playmakers". Dorsey and Jacksons production is about on par with any typical 3rd or 4th rounder.

What type of 3-4 do the Texan's run?

J.J. Watt seems to be more of an attacking 3-4 DE.

im really glad Pioli did a bang up job for this team only having 1 good LBer for this d-line to "unleash"

and the guy was already gifted to him on the roster when fat Scott got here. Burn in hell Scott you fat ****

they run the Dallas the 3-4

Jay Ratliff is an attacking/penetrating d-lineman as well

We could probably do that scheme with a guy like Dorsey, but again RAC's defense dates back to the ****ing stone age and is outdated by like 350 years

Houston is pretty good

We have two probowl LB's.

BOTH WERE HURT.

but this team has been built around the d-line. That's the franchise right now.

Ask yourself this question. Do you see any noticable difference in how our defense performs when our backups are in on the d-line? the backups that were street free agents or late round picks?

no. ONE WAS HURT

one was SUSPENDED AND IS FULLY HEALTHY AND FAT SCOTT DID NOTHING FROM A DEPTH PERSPECTIVE TO EVEN ADDRESS THAT NEED and the **** probably knew all summer that this was going to happen

The d-line was better yesterday than it was with Kelly Gregg. I thought the d-line looked better than ever yesterday. Tyson Jackson looked nasty for the first time.

Also, NT is far and away the most important position in the 3-4 defense and we have never really had one until this year.

Look at the Giants. They were built around the d-line. The pats d-lines were great when they won Superbowls. The steelers had good d-lines. The colts had a great d-line. Having a good d-line is a piece to the puzzle.

Hali will miss one game.

Our secondary needed the most help. We didn't address it at because of that it completely neutered our defense.

we still dont have a NT

which is why Glenn Dorsey even had to take snaps at NT yesterday lol

this

which just means first round picks have to be impact players, scheme be damned


you can't justify spending 3 top eleven picks on the DL if all they have to do is stop the run..you can justify spending a first round pick on JJ Watts

Yep, it's the same thing San Franciso runs too....

I'm regretting the RAC hire too. I bet if we just would have hired a head coach that would have retained Romeo as DC, the D would have been more ready to play.

This is what happened last year too. The first 2 games we gave up 70-80 points and then we turned it around on defense.

What you fail to address is that all of those teams were built around ONE first-round guy (if that).

The Giants got their guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The Pats had Seymour but Wilfork was taken at the back of the first. The Steelers have a couple of guys from the late 1st but nobody in the top 10. And their top passrusher was an undrafted FA. Outside of Freeny at #11 overall, the Colts didn't invest top draft picks in linemen.

What do most of those teams have in common? When they had a top 10 (or even top 5) pick, they took a QUARTERBACK.

We've spent so many top draft picks on linemen that we're woefully thin on top-tier talent elsewhere.

Why would the Dline do well when your DBs are shitting the bed.

Fix your secondary then see how your Dline works.

First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there.

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Dorsey looked crappy in a 4-3 scheme

Romeo stated publicly that if he wasn't hired as the head coach after his 2-1 performance last year, he'd move on and not stay in KC.

Take Sanchez and roll the dice.

No he hasn't looked great to this point but it's also New York - you have no idea how good he would have been here. Hell, he might have been worse.

But at least you tried.

Should have let him go.

Bad post. Who were we supposed to take with any of those top 10 picks at QB? By your logic, we would have Sanchez and Weeden over Jackson and Poe. That's just not better off imo.

Too risky. We cant sacrifice a potential 7 or 8 win season.

Are you mentally challenged?

Brian Orapko, Clay Matthews, Brian Cushing, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman would have been far better selections than Jackson, as would Alex Mack, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Eric Wood or Vontae Davis.

Tyson Jackson would have been a good choice in the third round. Number three overall?

Not so much.

Sanchez aint too bad

What the **** have you missed out on by taking Sanchez?

Just because hindsight tells you we're not better off, what have you lost by taking the chance?

Fans like you are why this franchise is mired in mediocrity. Enjoy your 9-7 season.

back to Sanchez


after one of his good games, of course.


after a bad game, silence

:bravo:

You're a ****ing reerun.

Welcome to Chiefsplanet, the second home to many reeruns.

You do realize that this has nothing to do with Sanchez other than the fact that he was the QB that was obviously available when we took Tyson Jackson, right?

uh oh black bob, you might want to fake an injury real quick

Yep. Lack of a pass rush only helped the exposure of an extremely weak secondary.

Atlanta didn't need to focus on Hali. That left Studebaker and a very raw Houston. Atlanta contained Houston and effectively stopped the pass rush altogether.

No pass rush + no secondary = Ryan's field day.

If yesterday showed anything, it is the lack of quality defensive depth, IMO.

But Mecca would rather rape himself with a toilet brush than draft Brian Orakpo.

LMAO Maybe we should have traded for Tebow to?

Haha

Overreact much?

it is true though, Matt Ryan was throwing very quick passes because his receivers were always open from the get go. Perhaps that didn't allow the d-line to really do much.

If Pioli isn't on the phone trying to find a CB he can sign or trade for, he needs to go.

Oooh a Tebow deflection! Lets see where this one goes folks...

And this is honestly why we should have drafted Melvin Ingram instead of Poe.

The dude is versatile enough that while Hali was out....he could have stepped in and played OLB. When Hali was back....you could move him into Belcher's spot.

Yeah, because leading his team to two straight AFC Championships was just dumb luck.

:facepalm:

He still has more upside than Cassel will EVER have and he plays in the toughest media market in the world. He'd ****ing OWN Kansas City if he'd take them to one AFC Championship, let alone two.

there ya go

yikes

Yeah, because you can logically extrapolate that me suggesting we DRAFT OIR OWN QB = trading away draft picks for one.

Do you have to actually try to be this ****ing stupid?

If this team fails this year, they need to get rid of Romeo and switch back to the 4-3.

Cut Jackson, keep Dorsey. Bailey and Hali starting at DE with Houston and DJ as your blitzing OLB.

Yep. That's exactly what it has to do with. He was the next QB on everyone's board.

Which is exactly what I was talking about earlier today in another thread when I said you better get someone who can find QBs. You don't just take QBs to take them in the top 10. I bet nowadays 32 out of 32 teams would have Flacco ahead of Sanchez.

Considering I didn't want RAC in the first place?

No. Not overreacting at all.

I felt the same way at the time because to that point, there weren't many Texas defensive players translating their skills to the NFL.

But, I'm not paid $5 million to make those decisions, so my opinion or Mecca's truly don't matter.

I wouldn't move away from the 3-4. I'd transition over to what the Texans and Cowboys run.

They weren't even in the same draft, so why compare the two?

You're all kinds of stupid.

You can't even get a sentence out without contradicting yourself.

It doesn't have anything AT ALL to do with Sanchez, other than that his name was #2 on everybody's board.

If Flacco had been #2, we'd be talking about Flacco.

You're a moron.

The point is that Sanchez is so good that they traded for another great first round QB.

No.

Poe would probably be better as a 1-gap NT than 2 gap. He's more of a penetrating type DL anyways. Heck, all of our DL would look better in that type of 3-4.

What?

LMAO

Sanchez and Patrick Chung or Tyson Jackson and Cassel. Which draft outcome looks better, of course the same one that did in 2009 on draft day.

One game in and our whole team sucks. How many rushing yards did they get again ?????

I could be wrong here but I don't think the D-Line is the issue with the defense.

Well, I'll wait to jump off a bridge until the defense plays poorly with it's starters actually playing football on gameday.

We lost because Flowers, Brown, Lewis and Menzie all got hurt and Matt Ryan picked on Reeves and Washington all day.

I don't think you can fault Romeo for all of that...he doubled Jones after his fast start...what else could have been done?

I bet this defense still ends the year in the top ten.

You are right. It was Josh Freeman and he's so much better. :)

Should we have taken Tebow or Clausen over Berry because we had a top 5 pick?

Also acceptable. It's ridiculous to run a scheme where your players have to learn to not use their skills. How about not running a scheme where your #11 overall pick doesn't need three years to unlearn his position? How about a scheme where Dorsey and Poe and Bailey can use their natural strength and speed to get pressure, instead of a scheme where they have to shelve those abilities in favor of a mental strategy?

It's reeruned.

I fully understand.

Should we have taken Tebow or Clausen over Berry because we had a top 5 pick? They were the #2 ranked QBs in that draft.

Who gives a flying ****? They could have run the ball zero times and still won. The defense couldn't stop the pass at all. They scored at will through the air.

Rushing 3 or 4 guys and letting Matt Ryan have all day to throw with no pressure was a joke. Our Secondary and LB's looked like the Keystone Cops running around in circles. Atlanta's receivers had all kinds of openings of 3-4 feet minimum

20 rushes, 67 yds = 3.1ypc = meh, not good when it's only 20 carries in a game.

I'll put it this way, 3.1ypc isn't going to scare OC's away from the run game. What did effect this game was the fact the Falcons score on short field possessions. That means this defense got off easy in terms of PG stats. It was a lot worse than stats indicate, mugs.

I must have missed where Berry is a ****ing defensive lineman that can't rush the ****ing passer...

:rolleyes:

now this i could go for

Bring in a defensive consultant to help Crennel out with his HC/DC double duties. Have the consultant be a 3-4 guy who runs a 1-gap or at least knows how to run both.

Add some 1-gap plays into the scheme this year

Consultant takes over full DC duties next year and either run a hybrid system or go full 1-gap.

I LOVE this idea. Absolutely love it.

Start over? Jfc people

You said it was about taking QBs in the top 10. It's the same ****ing thing in the other years. The talent wasn't good at the QB position.Furthermore, I bet more Chiefs fans wanted to take Suh than Berry. Is Suh a d-linemen dumbass?

Edit: Here it is...

Anybody from the Patriots that can do that? :D


Seriously though.....Poe needs to be rotating in at DE. Powe showed flashes at NT. He should be getting snaps there.