Adam Schefter, Bronco Homer
 

@AdamSchefter
As deserving as Curtis Martin is, it's hard to watch him being inducted and not think how @Terrell_Davis should one day join him. Truth.

:doh!:

He can sit in the crowd with everyone else and Priest munching on nachos.

He did cover them....

I don't believe that Martin belongs.

I know...

Agreed

Third *bangs gavel*

Hell of a RB but no way is he a HOF.

Schefter is a moron.

14,000 yards. I'd say he deserves it.

TD is kinda like Priest Holmes some damned good years, but body just had enough after them few years. It happens.

TD is a HOFer. He's the best runningback of the past 20 years. No one has been better.

LMAO

JFC

His yards are a testament to longevity, durability, and consistency.

But he was never great.

There were always guys that were better and more impactful.

It's the Hall of Fame.

It should be reserved for the best of the best.

Not just some guys that were just very good.

It should be about being great.

Adam Schefter. Flaming Homo.

Why is Joe Nameth in? His numbers were awful.

I've said before that Namath, on numbers alone, doesn't belong.

He's in, however, bcause of his impact on the game.

He changed the Pro football landscape when he signed with the Jets in the AFL.

Why is Gayle Sayers in? Because he was great. So was Terrell Davis.

Based on today's standards, Sayers' numbers are pedestrian.

We've had this discussion before.

Fair enough.

Durability and consistency over a prolonged period dont count for anything? Especially at that position....

Wow...I can think of a few in the last 20 years.

Do you think Priest Holmes deserves it?

Priest has more career yards.

I don't think he does.

**** that metrosexual hobbit.

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED

250G - Knowmo Level Trolling

You put TD in, you have to Priest in. They are the same guy. Except Priest came back from his injury, and was a better receiver.

Shanahan should be in the hall one day for all the pedestrian running backs he made look good with his dirty tactic zone running plays he would call.

Yea, i think we have had this discussion before on how flawed the Hall is.

They spent too many of the early years populating the Hall with guys who "At the time" looked spectacular, but now in retrospect their numbers dont look so great anymore. ***cough**Lynn Swann **cough**

But mainly those players from the 70s is about showing respect towards athletes who helped change and popularized the game more than pure numbers.

Of course Schefter is biased, he helped Davis write his autobiography. IMO, Davis is not HOF material. That running scheme, coupled with having Elway makes for a pretty good situation. Denver used to be able to produce 1000 yrd backs like it was nothing. I like TD, I think he's a good guy, but he's not close to being as good as Barry Sanders was (to the guy who said TD was the best back in 20 years).

He also scored more TD's and broke the single season record for TD's at one point.

I remember the season he had 2000 yards. It was so cheap, because they ran him into the ground that last game until he had 2000, it was kind of embarrassing.

If Davis deserves to go in so do a lot of RBs, including Holmes.

what years did Priest win NFL mvp, and Super Bowl mvp?...

No doubt...the fact it took so long for Art Monk to be inducted and was blocked, actively, by Peter King for so many years proves the problem with the Hall.

The years he played in an alternate universe with John Elway, the best OL in football and three Pro Bowl receivers.

Roaf and Doleman. The rest in that group, no.

Gale Sayers was electric.

There had been no one like him before him.

He changed how the RB was viewed.

i think its funny that when people want to dis elway, they argue he only did well when TD came along...

and conversely, when someone wants to diss TD, its by saying he did well thanks to playing with elway...

cant have it both ways... which is it?...

Well, both...if you want to be consistent with your SB measurement.

Elway couldn't win it all on his own, so the Rat came up with an zone blocking scheme that was on the border of "legal" to give him a running game that took the pressure off of Horseteef.

In short, Elway needed the scheme to win.

or neither...

Those people are stupid.

John Elway was a HOFer.

Terrell Davis was a good RB, but I can find you 4 or 5 RBs in the NFL right now that are as good as he was.

Hell, Jamal Lewis is more deserving. 10,000 yards, including a 2000 yrd season.

Right...it's a good thing that, here at Chiefsplanet, the only sanctioned homerism is Bronco homerism...

montana benefited from a great scheme and terrific talent surrounding him...

Aikman had emmit and emmitt had aikman...

Brady has BB and BB has Brady...

you can make this argument for virtually every SB winner... you don't win SBs without great talent and schemes... no one player didnt have this type of support when winning it all...

at the end of the day, people just tip their hat to the players accomplishments... doing anything else is simply hating...

Both TD and Priest now have left tackles in the HOF.

Coincidence?

:thumb:

lol...yeah ok...

yeah, THEY are stupid...

yes...

martin deserved the induction. there isnt anyone in the league now that will retire hitting 14000 including AP . bank on it.

I also think if you're talking Holmes and TD, don't you have to mention Shaun Alexander in the conversation too?

Football is the ultimate team sport, but Elway almost singlehandedly led the Donkeys to 3 SBs before the Rat and Shannahan.

Hate the Donkeys all you want.
I hate them.

But let's be honest.

Elway is one of the all time greats.

Pfft...not a bronco, GTFO.

hell ladainian didnt even make it to 14,000

True. But after the fact, name me one player that benefitted more from his scheme than Terrell Davis did. A scheme, mind you, that is no longer employed as it was when Denver used it.

He was no scrub, but the guy just isn't a HoF'er, at least not yet. He didn't have the longevity or the numbers. Give it twenty or thirty years, maybe he'll get in on one of those old timer ballots.

Vinnie Testatverde has more career passing yards than Joe Montana.

He deserves to be in the Hall.

Oh, absolutely. The guy could play the position and was tough as hell.

My point was he couldn't win it all without a top flight running game, which the Rat gave him with that cutback zone scheme.

Vinnie only goes in with his mom and dad...who were attached at the hip...

TD was a sure fire Hall of Famer if he would have played longer, but he didnt. Thats the only thing holding him back and rightfully so.


I wont diss on TD, because he was truly great IMO for that short period.

yeah well he also played 5 more years then joe montana. testaverde played till he couldnt fukn walk anymore. there are 4 people in the HISTORY of the game to have 14,000+ rushing yards . he deserves the induction . bottom line end o' story.

I noticed you're trying to compare QBs to RBs. You can't really do that.

A QB can win without a good OL, without a good running game, even without a defense.

A RB is probably not going to do very well behind a shit OL.

Conversely, if he's playing behind a beastly line and with a QB who makes defenses respect the deep pass, he's going to look pretty ****ing good even if he's only an above average player.

TD was better than that, but he was not a HOFer. If he had played 10 years, he probably would have been a compiler like Curtis Martin and gotten in. He didn't, **** you, end of story. :D

I'm not ready to annoint him as "truly great". The fact that Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson, who both looked every bit as good as TD did in that scheme when he was out, went on to other teams to accomplish exactly dick, and look pretty pedestrian doing it, gives me pause. Should it? Maybe not, but I can't get around it.

In the interest of fairness, you can say the same about Derrick Blaylock. He looked like Priest Jr. playing in our scheme, and completely disappeared when he went to the Jets.

No one ran through more running lanes that were the size of a mid town bus than TD. I remember so many runs that were slants and sweeps where no one touched him for 15 yards. No real way on knowing, but I do believe there were and are several RBs that could have done what TD did for that team.

He was the first "shake and bake" type of back that no one had seen this type of running in the NFL before. To Milk's point it was the Joe Namath effect on the league but not as big as Joe but significant enough.

you can make that argument for anybody...

Joe Montana "benefited" playing in a scheme devised by Bill Walsh that took a decade for defensive coordinators to figure out...

Emmit smith "benefited" playing behind the greatest oline of all time...

i can make arguments for any great all time super bowl winning player...

but those arguments are meaningless... i take what montana and emmitt did at face value... its unfair to look at it otherwise imo...

Adrian Peterson
Maurice Jones Drew
Arian Foster
Steven Jackson
Chris Johnson
Fred Jackson
DeAngelo Williams
Jamaal Charles

Those guys all have similar or better talent levels than Terrell Davis. You put them in that Donkey offense, they are going to rack up sick numbers.

Adrian Peterson is a better RB than TD ever was for sure.

He sure did.

He's in the HOF because he was a compiler.

TD had a chance to do that, and "blew" it. :)

jamaal charles would have broke records in that offense. look what JC has done behind our shit line hte past two years. yeah we have albert and had wigeman but that is it. i cant WAIT to see what hes gonna do this year. its gonna be sick.

name me a QB that has ever won a SB this way...

While we're listing great bronco players who arent in the Hall, I submit:

Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey and Jason Elam...the Hall is clearly a travesty until these deserving players are in.

also in fairness steve young sucked in tampa, then becomes a HOFer replacing Montana in SF's scheme... the same scheme that made Jeff Garcia look like a pro bowler...

and Gary and Anderson did well but they didnt come close to TDs production... both backs played full seasons in those schemes and didnt sniff 2000yds in a season...

Maybe Shanahan can get a mad scientist to make a frankenback out of Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns and Clinton Portis and get them elected to the HOF. That's 11 years of elite RB play there.

So Martin gets credit for longevity, durability and consistency, but Testeverde does not?

That about sum it up, dipshit?

Aaron Rodgers.

Montana could still thread the needle and make the amazing throws. Brian Griese played in (basically) the same offense and wasn't anywhere near what Joe could do. Emmitt Smiff absolutely got in the hall due to his line (and playing with a seperated shoulder), but his is a glamour position, and he put up the numbers.

Davis was assisted by a line that cut blocked everyone out of his way. I'm thinking you could have even put up 7-800 yards rushing behind the Crisco Brothers.

And on top of that, he just didn't have the longevity.

Tom Brady

you may want to DVR super bowl 32 when it re-airs on NFLN...

in this game TD plays for 3 quarters for 157 yds and 3 TDs...

in that game he missed a quarter of play due to injury... you may want to check Denver's rushing numbers during that quarter... it may give you an idea of how important TD was to the offense as the offense was to TD...

LMAO

Frankly, I dont understand how the entire 1998 bronco roster isnt in the HOF...even the equipment guy. All HOF material.

TD's claim to fame was the running scheme that Shanahan used,period. Look at how many other rb's ran for crazy yards in that scheme after TD was broke. Mike Anderson,Reuben Draughns,Clinton Portis,Olandis Gary,and Tatum Bell...heck in 2005 Mike anderson rushed for 1000 yrds and Tatum Bell had over 900 yrds in the same season! It was the scheme not TD thatwas great,deal with it Donkey Losers!