I'm surprised none of our resident political types have started this, but its a slow night, so what the hell.

On the eve of the election, a Portland, Maine reporter broke the story that GW was arrested for drunk driving in 1976. This is, of course, the political equivalent of a brand new Ferrari for the liberal press, and they've got it red-lined already.

Thoughts on this:

1. Funny how this broke four days before the election. I'm sure the Gore camp had nothing to do with it... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

2. IT WAS 24 YEARS AGO! It's not like the guy got crocked and plowed into a school bus last week.

3. The libs are painting this as a character issue, labeling GW a hypocrit for not disclosing this incident, yet railing on the moral indiscretions of Gore and Clinton. GW says he kept it quiet because he didn't want his kids to know about it. Hmm... it seems to me that the President of the United States lying under oath is a bit more damning that not disclosing that GW once got a DUI decades ago. Perhaps that's just me.

4. GW says he quit drinking 14 years ago.

5. Like the guy drives himself anywhere, anyway!

I hope the American public can see this for what it so obviously is - a timebomb Gore has known about, probably for months, that is dropped at the 11th hour in an attempt to salvage his mercifully-failing campaign. This is dirty politics at its worst. As a result of this, I support GW more strongly than ever now.

I don't post on political threads because it forces me back to reality and the Chiefs are what I use to escape. However, all this crap is why good guys don't run for office. Who in their right mind would want people digging up 24 year old mistakes...

Totally disappointed by our choices.
AZ

I here you, AZ. I personally wanted McCain, but I'll take Bush over Gore any day.

I sure wouldn't want these vultures digging up the skeletons in my closet.

Frazod-

Weren't you one of the Republican minority in '92 whining about Clinton's past mistakes?? Maybe I am mistaken here, but judging by your political leanings, my guess would be yes. If you want to let Bush off the hook for endangering people's lives, why hold Clinton accountable for mistakes that affect only himself and his only family??

Mark-
you can't have it both ways.....

I seem to remember the other canidate and his wife admitting to smocking a little illegal weed, I guess we will not hear about that during these last few days.

But they didn't inhale....
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Revolver, this is the equivalent of the crap about Clinton not inhaling the joint. Now we all know he inhaled. My problem with it then was why he lied about it. He was a kid at the time, and regardless of what I think about Clinton now I doubt seriously that he's doing bong hits in the Oval Office.

While Bush was not forthcoming with this, when this news broke he acted like a man and dealth with it.

My major problem with Clinton is that he is a habitual liar, has lied under oath WHILE IN OFFICE, and has reduced the office of President to nothing more than late night cannon fodder for Leno and Letterman. Can you even hear the man's voice and NOT think he's lying? These things he did as a MATURE ADULT.

And God only knows what other "youthful indiscretions" were performed by both Clinton and Gore. Do you really think ANY of these guys are saints? Perhaps Clinton and Gore are just better at covering their tracks.

Revolver, Gore smoked pot in his college days and thats a known fact. And I am sure he never went out on the road after a drag or two did he. Please driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, its all dangerous. And yes I cant beleive the desperation tactics under way at Gore HQ. I mean come on man do they think were that stupid..

There is hipocrosy on all sides in politics. That is why I don't align myself with any political party. This accusation is nothing serious and I don't anticipate it will hurt anyone. However it is to be expected. Both sides engage in hipocrosy. I remember 8 years ago the battlecry against Clinton was he was a pot smoking draft dodger, and now we've got an AWOL drunk driver. Won't make a bit of difference in the vote...

I dont recall George W. lying about it, nor lying under oath about it.

The term oxymoron continues to apply more ways than one for the democratic party.

This didn't quite fly as anticipated, so the other "scandals" that are in the can may not be released.

It's a desperation move that the dems had hoped they wouldn't have to use.

Now they played the card, and have only the mainstream talking heads talking about it, while mainstream America shrugs it off.

Looks like they will move on to plan X. (With only Y & Z left)

IMHO, Bush is a hypocrit for the simple reason that he and the Repubs have made morality a focal point of his campaign. He should have come clean before they beat the morality thing into the groumd. I doubt that this will sway anyone. Most here have made up their minds and depanding on who they're for is how they'll view this issue. BTW, if George W had this on Gore, he would have done the SAME thing. IMHO, those who think otherwise are foolish. Bush is full of it, I breath his CRAP every day here in Houston and I LAUGH at how "SMALL" our state government is. It's so small that it's MUCH LARGER than it was 4 years ago! Anyone that doubts this can look up the information for themselves, but I'm sure that Bush has his reasons for not being "honest" here. *grin*

Plan X? This is so lame it's more like Plan 9 from Outer Space.

I think (and certainly hope) that this will backfire badly. As the campaign has worn on, GW has impressed me as being very resilient. I think he handled this latest blast just fine.

Of course, we'll see what the papers do with this tomorrow.

frazod-

I refered to it as "Plan X" as the dems are almost out of options. They do have a couple of things left for these desperate times when they are trailing. (Including a 30-minute infomercial on algore to run on Monday)

The "papers" will run it above the fold. However, it has already backfired, rallying a base that is energized and pissing off people who grew tired of this during Clinton's term(s).

Indeed Bush handled it well tonight, and once he came out and did that, it sealed the fate of this scam.

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Michael, the "Plan 9" reference was a slam on them, not you - hope you didn't take it the wrong way.

Up here in Chicago, both of the major newspapers, the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times, have endorsed Bush. I'm still shocked by this, especially in this liberal democrat dead-beat hellhole. It will be interesting to see how they deal with this story after declaring him to be their guy.

Frazod-

No problem, just wanted to make sure my position was clear. I saw both Chicago papers endorsed Bush. This will not change that. It will run news wise above the fold. Editorial wise, it will be challenged and the story will turn to "Is gore behind this?"

Other than partisans, no one cares about a 1976 DUI conviction.

Backfire. By tomorrow night gore will be under a huge microscope and unlike Bush, doesn't have the credibilty to come forward and say he didn't have anything to do with this.

Certainly hope you're right, Michael. It would be sad if the future of our country could hinge on such a transparent political BS ploy.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight to all.

I'm just curious to know why people think Bush has more credibility. IMO he's no better or worse than Gore. I've seen nothing from him to prove he has more credibility.

I also would have preferred McCain. He has credibility IMO...

frazod-

G'night.

Here is the latest e-mail I just received.

**BUSH DUI STORY FED TO MAINE REPORTERS BY DELEGATE TO 2000 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION, LAWYER IN ORIGINAL CASE, FOX NEWS IS REPORTING... DEVELOPING///**

I would imagine it is from the Drudge Report.

DW-

Is that a serious question?

Michael,
Not if you are a partisan, I suppose...

DW-

I am partisan, well at least I will celebrate when Bush wins.

Bush comes out says, yea, I did it, I'm not proud of it, etc.

Gore would have handled it differently.

No one trusts what the guy says, not even his own campaign.

That's why I asked if you were serious.

I'm in AZ, we are all fortunate McCain's bid failed.

I thinking that if Gore comes out and says he didn't say anything about it because he wanted to protect his daughters, he'd be getting ripped for trying to use his daughters to protect himself like I'm hearing some people on these talk shows doing now. Credibility is in the eye of the beholder. If we support someone then we are more likely to believe them vs someone that we don't support. What I'm trying to say is if you are a democrat, then Bush has very little credibility (IE I'm listening to some talk shows right now in the Bay Area and he is getting ripped big time) and if you are a Republican Gore has very little credibility. I don't see either as being more credible than the other, and yes I am serious when I say that... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

If roles were reversed, I know all of you who are backing Bush wouldn't claim it a cheap shot, but would instead begin labeling Gore a drunk and other such things.

The fact is, throughout every debate and rally Bush has said what he wants done, but he has no plan to get these things done. He has laid a lot of his campaign on credibility, attacking the Clinton-Gore office every other word about their credibility and morality. This drunk driving incident is very relevant, even if it happened a long time ago.

I haven't been watching the campaings much, but I do not remember Bush ever ... EVER!!!... bringing out something like this. All of Gore's downfalls have come by way of his own words (lies, exagerations, etc.)

Why would you spill the beans and then claim ownership of it?

I'm sure that if either campaign let out something like that it would be handled exactly as it has been.

BTW....Bush has admitted to making mistakes in the past, he just wasn't specific about what they were. Are they any of our business? Have any of you done anything in your youth that you are not too proud of?

Try digging up stuff on Gore, I'm sure there are things that he has done that is public record (lying, etc.)

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Remember Joe Delaney?
Some of us do and are acting on our belief that he was a hero.
This is a bandwagon that all are invited to jump on!!!

37 Forever

DaKCMan AP,

You're wrong.

Bush has run a very positive campaign, only resorting to anything close to a 'negative ad' when finally having to stand up for himself against all of the Gore campaign lies.

When someone lies about you, to defend yourself you have to show that the other guy is lying. This is the only reason that anyone can say that Bush is attacking and it is bogus.

This is not a tactic that fits Bush's chatacter (or that of the Republican Party).

I warned yesterday that the Gore campaign was desperate and would be committing dispicable acts such as this. I was right ~ and I'm not the only one that expected it.

The American people are tired of sleazy politics.

Luz
character does count...

Da Wolf:

"I also would have preferred McCain. He has credibility IMO..."

I know a great many people who would dispute that statement. Funny how McCain, when campaigning for votes here in SC during the GOP primaries stated that he thought that the "Flag controversy" should be settled by the citizens of the state, but when he was out of the race, he came back here and did a 180 on his stance.

That's not credibility...

mmaddog
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and that was just one of his turns<P>

I wouldnt support anyone that would dick with my first ammendment rights. McCain-Feingold would have done just that.<P>

The DNC know that they are down,going down,try'nswing for the home run!
1) Nader not being married ?
2) Now Bush,something that happened 24 yrs ago! Like nobody has ever made a mistake in life before they became responsible!

This will backfire on the DNC !

It doesn't matter.

This is called DESPERATION. All those 3-5% leads you see for Gore are media embellishments.

It's pretty obvious now that Bush is going to win, and it's probably not even going to be close.

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LOL!!! This is classic what goes around comes around. I was listening to our local Rush wannabe coming into work and he was whining about these meany weany tactics. Thanks for the ideas Atwater, Baker, Dole and Bush!!! Thanks for the inspiration Lott, Delay, Helms and Newt!!!!

I'm guessing this is just the tip of the iceberg, too.

God I've been waiting to see the old barrell get plugged with mud and backfire!!! Its good, ol' fashioned justice!!!

I still love your insistence that Clinton was innocent. I'm not a republican and more of an objective bystander, so I'll agree with you that there's probably alot more forthcoming on GW.

But to insist that the whole Clinton thing was a manufactured witchhunt shows a lack of understanding of the facts.

Of course, taped interviews with Arkansas state patrolman were part of the manufactured witchhunt, right?

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Ha!!!! I just saw another DUI arrest report for Austin, Texas!!! Same year!!! W. got the Duece!!!

Whhoooohooooo!!!! These next few days are gonna be fun.

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Drew - This is a tactic used by Demo's long before the "JUSTICE DEPARTMENT" investigated Clinton. The Demo's know that republicans actually think charecter is an issue, something democrats have proved is not.

Morphius
For example see the "untruthful statements" lady running for the senate in NY.

Let's just forget those rape allegations against Clinton...I mean, it supposedly happened so LONG ago...

If the same, EXACT story was reported about Gore, you "Cons" would be all over it.

Once again, a conservative can do no wrong.

Maybe today we'll get to meet some of W.'s cocaine suppliers. That'd be neat, wouldn't it?

I don't know, the guy got caught, paid his debt to society, it's over. Not sure why anyone would think this is a big deal. He didn't try to use his fathers influence to get out of it.

I haven't seen any proof that he lied about it which would be a bigger offense to me.<P>

Im surprised that Clint and Drew arent calling this a witchhunt. It's the same word they used when discussing the 'dirt' dug up on Clinton.

Dirty politics? RATS!

Hey Clint, I wasn't one of those guys crying "it happened 24 years ago, let it go", but there is a problem here.

Find a decent American that has enough money to run for President AND a clean backgroung. I don't think it can be done. Too much inbred corruption in our aristocracy.

I think the process is broken. The only reason I support Bush is because Gore is the other option.

It's been YEARS since either candidate was a "good" choice, because REAL people can't run for president.


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Titus:

Yup. I been saying it all along: wait until what goes around comes around. I couldn't have predicted it better. The hypocrits are screaming bloody murder!!!!

Apparently, Bush had his driver's liscense number changed in an attempt to cover this little nugget up. The dumbass actively tried to deceive the American public when he could have just said "by the way, back in '76 I had a problem and this is what has happened since..."

Can you say, 'self destruct'.

Whooohooo, an American Classic!!!!

The dumbass actively tried to deceive the American public when he could have just said

LMFAO...And you defend Clinton?

Too funny.

Clint: have you figured out, yet, the difference between a payroll deduction and income taxes or how to increase your paycheck w/o govt help?

Just checking...allways willing to help out.

Now I'm starting to understand why Bush's handlers are so terrified of spontenaity. You know, no live interviews, no comments to the press at events, no utterances beyond the chosen script. It's not just because the man is dumber than a learning disabled tree stump-- its because they don't know what the next question is going to be. They are TERRIFIED of the next question!!!

This cracks me up!

This is a very "Big Deal", right Gaz. I mean, this is a VERY BIG DEAL! Mark, Pitt, this guy just CAN'T be president now! I mean, even though he "failed to kill anyone" (how am I doing Gaz), he must be a bad, bad man.

Wait, he isn't a Bronco, well nevermind then, it is not that "Big a deal".

xoxo~
BroncoFan
Smiling at the thought of both Griese, and the President in jail together.

I don't defend Clinton. I just point out the common ground to the hypocrits. Big difference.

I guess this means many of you will be changing your vote now. Perhaps Buchanan or somebody like that?

Titus,

30% of my income going towards various taxes is far too much, IMO. If that amount is fine with you, so be it.

Oh my gosh!!! Two Cheney DUIS!!!! Hopefully they both aren't into the Long Island Ice Teas when the missles fly...

You expect your president to affect your state or local taxation or you payroll deductions? Hmm...sorry, dont think that's going to happen even with a good lib in there.

I guess since you confuse the difference a discussion about taxes is lost on you.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> If the same, EXACT story was reported about Gore, you "Cons" would be all over it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't know if I count as one of the "Cons," but yes I would be all over it if a story of this nature came out about Gore. ALL OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Bush has run a clean campaign. Despite the numerous acts of questionable legality and dubvious ethics embodied in the veep, Bush has limited his criticism to pointing out that Al Gore has been lying about his and Bush's social security plan. This despite pundits screaming for him to 'go for the jugular' and 'land the knockout punch' on Gore's obvious liabilities. I would be very disappointed if a 'leak' like this were connected to Bush's campaign [as apparently this one is going to be connected to the Gore campaign, although tangentially. . . Natch].

The local Fox news reporter who broke this, states that a delegate to the 200 Democrat convention mentioned this to her, then called her later to provide the reference number for the paper file. Materials were, at the same time faxes to numerous news outlets, though I don't think the source of that fax has been identified as yet.

Also, it seemed like someone was alluding to this [the DUI] possibly being a felony. the Kennebunkport police report this was a Class D Misdemeanor.


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Gore and Bush have both promised tax cuts. They will either make good on their promises, or they're liars, IMO. Especailly Bush, considering that Congress won't be standing in his way at every turn.

They just named the guy on the CBS radio news. He is a democratic activist.

The media will find any tidbit of information they can, and blow it WAAAAY out of proportion in an attempt to gain readers/viewers. I doubt that Gore had anything to do with the breaking of this story at all.

Tax cuts are one thing. You keep confusing tax cuts with payroll deductions. I dont believe either of the two candidates called for payroll deduction decreases which would directly affect your 'paycheck'. You can decrease your payroll deductions w/o any legislation currently.

Oh and btw, only 30% is deducted from your check? Lucky you. Mine's like 45%.

From what I hear, it came from a reporter in Maine who checked on it after hearing a courthouse rumor about it. I find it doubtful that Al Gore rolled out of bed one day and said, "Hmm, let's hit him with the DUI today." This is Bush's past, people are going to find things about him, and he'll get attacked. If he gets into office, it will continue as it would for Gore. The people on top are under a bigger microscope in this day and age of the media than they've ever been. I give Cheney credit for at least admitting to his when asked if he had been in trouble in the past before someone had to go drag it out of his past...

Titus:

But wouldn't the withholding go down the same percentage as the actual taxes? I would think that due to the change in tax rates, the amount required to be taken out on a payroll cycle would also be less. Isn't this the case?



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bk

Here's an article on the 'issue' which happened in 1976.

Washinton Post

Bkkcoh: True, but that's assuming a tax rate cut. Which is obviously more possible with Bush than Gore depending upon the makeup of the Congress/Senate.

Most of the 'cuts' I have heard about are 'targeted' credits and above the line items. (deductions that reduce your AGI)--examples would be the increase in the amount you can deduct for IRA contributions. Currently the max is 2000, Bush would try to up it to 4000.

From the Washington Post:

Tom Connolly, a Portland lawyer and Democratic activist who attended the Democratic National Convention, confirmed Friday to The Associated Press that he was the source of the report.

Connolly said someone who was in Biddeford District Court when Bush's 1976 case came up was alarmed that it had never been reported and alerted "a public figure" about the case. That person passed the word to Connolly, he said, though he would not name the public figure.

Connolly, who ran unsuccessfully for governor two years ago, said he had been talking about the case at the courthouse Thursday. He said he had confirmed Bush's arrest by obtaining a copy of the court docket – which he gave to a local television reporter.

"It's not a dirty trick to tell the truth," Connolly said, maintaining that Bush should have made the case known a long time ago.

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No it's not. He's been on-the-wagon for 14 years. That's relevant. He has not broken any laws as an elected official. That's relevant. He has not lied to the American people as an elected official. That's relevant.

Talk about desperation tactics by the Democratic party... It's sickening...

Boy a week ago most people were slamming Brian Griese for his DUI. It comes out that Bush did it and now it isn't a big deal. People want to hold Corey Dillon's past against him and use it as an excuse for KC not to sign him, but Bush's past indiscretions shouldn't be considered.

Clinton is a bad person and lacks moral convictions for having an affair, but yet the same standard doesn't apply to a presidential candidate who abused alcohol and cocaine.

I'm starting to see a trend here.

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Look for Tom Connolly to be given an appointment in the Gore Administration if there is such a beast. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Chiefnj: It's funny...after the previous two election cycles we were told this 'old' stuff didnt matter and that it was a witchhunt and dirty politics. Now it does matter?

You're right there is a trend here.

Oh Clint and DD, yes I guess a DUI is so much more serious than a rape... My gosh, where have I been living?!

Bush's DUI was as a private citizen. Clinton's rape occurred while as an elected official representing the state of Arkansas...

There is a big difference here... You guys just don't want to see it...<BR>

Donkey Drew: Do you remember this post?

This is inexcusable behavior on Griese's behalf, but its amazing how the self righteous come out of the woodwork when a pro athlete shows a lapse in judgement. Let's not forget that Griese is still very young and very prone to the stupid mistakes that most young men make. He was probably one of 50 DUI arrests in the Denver metro area saturday night, and the only one to make the papers. That doesn't make it right, but lets not confuse this sort of lack of judgement with a character issue..

or this one?
I was pointing out that this is a common mistake among the 20 something set, and that by itself, it isn't indicative of some sort of character problem.

Can you say hypocrisy?

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Boy a week ago most people were slamming Brian Griese for his DUI. It comes out that Bush did it and now it isn't a big deal. People want to hold Corey Dillon's past against him and use it as an excuse for KC not to sign him, but if something is in the past regarding Bush, it shouldn't be considered <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope my fellow republicans will agree with me with this statement:

It happened 24 years ago, not 24 hours ago. Last I knew alcohol was a legal drug at the time, Clinton and Gore smokin' pot was against the law to possess it much less to smoke it. I think it is incredible the free pass Clinton or Gore for smoking pot from the liberals. But I guess that is to be expected because of the stand a lot of liberals have with the 'legalization of pot'.

True, it was a horrible lapse of judgement, but didn't the lib's say something to the effect of: 'It was a youthful indescression' or 'He hasn't done it since then'.

Doesn't this truely show how desperate the Gore camp is?



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bk

Clint, Drew, nj,

You state that you can't see the difference between this and the stench that has come from the Clinton Administration and the Liberals that have supported it.

OK, I'll take you at your word. I'll assume that you really can't understand the difference, but rest assured, most of the American people can. You will see that in five days.

And when this does become obvious, I hope you will all take pause and ask yourself, "what is it that everyone else knows that I don't?"

On this BB there are a number of people that we can all learn from their great insight, there are others that don't have a clue ~ but will 'loudly' talk anyway.

Luz
perhaps you need to reevaluate who's who...

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Luz,

I think the majority of the people will see this for what is is really a political ploy to win the white house. Like I said before, the Gore team is desperate.

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Luzap...........AMEN

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Chiefs Rock

Coming from a Bush voter/Independant (not a Republican), I don't think Gore is behind this.

I will say this, I would rather vote for someone who got a DUI over 2 decades ago, than for a man who has been lying to the American people, himself, his family, etc. during his whole campaign.

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TWB

It's late in the 4th quarter for Gore and he's behind. He's starting to throw Hail Mary's. He's desperate

Let's just hope GW doesn't pull a CS.... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif<P>

BroncoFan:

"This is a very "Big Deal", right Gaz. I mean, this is a VERY BIG DEAL! Mark, Pitt, this guy just CAN'T be president now!"

Once again your mouth starts yapping WAY before you brain engages. Do you ANYWHERE see where I have condoned this behaviour by Bush?NO YOU DON'T !!!.
And you won't either. I have a little less respect for Bush today knowing that he did that.

Now onto the bait you laid out here hoping that I would exhibit a double standard. Nowhere did I say that Greise should be kept from plying his trade, just that, although you consider it "nothing" that he was caught but didn't kill anyone, I consider it a little more deserving of something more than a "ho-hum".

Keep your pitiful attempts to fish to yourself.

mmaddog
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Jeez, if you conservatives are so condescending now, it'll be incredible around here if Bush wins the election.

bkkcoh - re#65 - I just want to add to this running record that Bush admits to using cocaine when he was young. I'm not saying one drug is worse than the other and I'm also not saying that one candidate is worse than the other. You just might want to rethink that post. Both men have made mistakes with illicit drugs in the past and both men still have support from their political brethren.

I'm gonna go try to stand in a neutral corner now...

BroncoFan-

Yep, it was a big deal, just like any Dick is a big deal. He should be ashamed that he was Dick. The same criteria obtains whether Dick is a Broncos QB, a Presidential candidate or a once and future Engineer.

Did you expect that I would suddenly reverse my stand on drunk driving because I find out that a politician was Dick over two decades ago? Sorry, BF, my moral foundation is more solid than that.

I still consider Bush the lesser of two evils. A 24-year old Dick episode doesn't change that.

xoxo~
gaz
Dick for a Day about 28 years ago.<BR>

There are absolutely no facts to support a charge of cocaine use. No corraborating testimony from any of his friends who would have known. Nothing. Nada.

This was, again, a rumor started by the Democratic party, not based on facts, to scorch and burn the Bush camp. The only "witness" was a convicted drug dealer, sitting in jail, with a reputation for being "loose" with the truth...

Now why would a convicted drug dealer cooperate? Hmmmm.... I can think of lots of reasons...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR> Bush admits to using cocaine when he was young. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Three words for you Disco - SHOW ME WHERE.

Bush has consistently refused to confirm or deny any drug use other than alcohol at any point in his life. Positions of issues of governance aside, I applaud this tact as possibly the only way to wean the media of its bloodthirsty quest for drama in a political campaign. You can believe that his refusal to answer is an admission. You can believe it is a principled stand. But you cannot know anything.

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Only shallow and hateful people will make an issue of this OUI thing. I feel sorry for George Bush that he has to deal with this so close to Election day.

One thing I do find interesting is that in '94 Ross Perot endorsed Ann Richards(D) for Governor of Texas. I suppose Ross wants GWB for President so he can keep a few million in his pocket come tax day.

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(The Resident Liberal)

Here are my predictions for the Chiefs and the election:

- Chiefs romp Raiders (40-21)
- Bush stampedes to White House (300 Electoral votes)

The reasoning?
The Chiefs are motivated, baby!
The polls, depending on the wording of the questions, do NOT reflect the likely voter turnout, but are being used to make the race closer than it actually is...<BR>