What would be your perfect scenario to beef up the defense?
 

...let's just say they don't dump Cassel in the off season

Ya gotta improve the pass rush. OLB?

Get a NT that can actually play the position and a OLB that rushes the passer?

Akeem Ayers from UCLA in the 1st and Jerrell Powe from Ole Miss in the 2nd.

OLB and NT. Ayers is a perfect fit at Vrabel's spot. Not the greatest pass rusher but he can do it well enough to give releif to Hali. He can also cover. Powe is a protypical NT for the 3-4. Him and Shaun Smith would be a solid rotation.

Get Jamaal Charles more carries,then our D plays less.

Trade Pittsburgh D for D.

Draft Von Miller, not as good all overall as Ayers,but better pash rusher, which is what we need. And sign a true NT, as draft Ponder in the second, or draft Powe in the second if we are stuck with casshole.

Imagine if the Chiefs had drafted Orakpo over Jackson in 2009... blows, don't it?

Not saying Orakpo is the best, but definitely far better so far, and most likely forever.

He would have contributed a lot more right away.

Have all the other teams choose players with talent like Kolb instead of players with talent like Vick.

Where does your program have the Chiefs finishing at more than likely?

The problem with that is Ayers is the prototypical OLB these guys like where Miller isn't. Miller is a smallish 3-4 outside rusher where Ayers has the size these guys have always liked for their OLBs.

True but Ayers isn't a pass rushing OLB, which is why we wont draft him.

This, but I still think Studebaker has a good chance to fill that LOLB spot admirably if he ever gets a chance to get on the field. When he has, he has played very well.

Truth be told, the best way to help this defense is to add the necessary players on offense to be able to sustain drives.

30% Chance of winning the division.
50/50 chance of making the playoffs.

We don't run a Dallas or Pitt type of 3-4 look at the guys NE had, Ayers is kind of similar to Willie McGinest actually...and he's a team captain, I'd say he's a highly likely candidate for this teams first pick.

True.

The offense definately does not compliment the defense. But not to say the defense has been stellar either they have thrown up some stinkers as you and the rest of us know.

I say the culture on the defense needs a bit of a boost. The talent is somewhat there, but it's clear they lack leadership and the Chiefs are also missing players that lack killer instinct and competitve edge. To sum this up in one word, the Chiefs lack a "catalyst" on defense. They're missing that one guy that increase the tempo of play week to week and elevate the play of players around him. I think that's what seperates them from being an average defense to a good defense.

I still think these guys are gonna keep Cassel and try to give him a premier weapon with that first rounder.

Draft a third halfback that doubles as a slot gimmick receiver and a nickel cornerback.

And make sure to draft another tight end and guard.

The only way this team is getting a premier weapon for Cassel is if they tank hard and pick 15 or better.

They just need to draft well, period. and the rest will be taken care of.

McGinest is bigger and played DE.

Ayers is more like a bigger Derrick Johnson.

You know it's rare for a 4-3 OLB to make the transition to 3-4 OLB.

dont be so sure.

This years draft should feature at least 4 first round talents at WR and WRs tend to drop a bit more than other positions.

I could see Baldwin dropping to where we pick and at this point, I think he has a really good chance at being our top pick

They're about to enter the scenario several of us discussed when they were using top 5 picks and not taking a QB..now the team has enough talent to compete and win a number of games. This makes us to good to pick high for elite QB prospects yet not good enough to win anything...the position of limbo.

If he's a 4.4 40 guy he's going before 15, and he claims he's a 4.3 guy and if he's that he has a chance to be a top 8 guy.

Meh, nonsense. They were never going to be bad enough to pick Bradford or Stafford. You could reach and take Sanchez, or you could wait and pick a Freeman or a Flacco. There are QBs there. But again, this team isn't going to give up on Cassel, so it's moot.

It would have made more sense to reach for Sanchez than reach for Tyson Jackson.

They're not, and for 2 years they've done things to pad his stats so it's blatantly obvious he's coming back.

Even if there was a premier qb on the board, I dont see them taking him if there was a premier weapon there.

16 TD 4 INT

to the flotation device with a bad motor

Maybe they'll pad his stats enough to where a team would rather develop Cassel than use their #1 and we could trade him to move up in the draft.

Dude, you KNOW that isn't true... there will be PLENTY of premier weapons past the top 15 picks... they just might not be the typical "can't miss" highly touted prospects... We will need to get lucky and scout VERY well... but it is possible.

What WRs do you have going in the top 15? Baldwin? AJ Green? Who else? Do you really think Floyd and Jones will both go top 15? Not to mention the countless guys who are still under the radar right now...

well, no argument from me. But you could say that about like 15 players in that draft.

Well, it sounds like you want a quarterback.

And yeah I feel the same way too, but I have a feeling they will stick with Cassel. If thats the case, then Im hoping they just draft well and build the team as a whole.

Seriously, what else could they really do? If they could have another draft like last year, I'd be really pleased. They could improve as many positions possible. I don't care. i just want to see a solid overall draft again, and I'd like to see them for a change draft a player that has the ability to uplift the spirit of the team. Game changing players, impact players, catalysts.. We have none of those on this team.

*And to find one of those guys it doesn't have to always be top 5 as history would suggest or indicate. Just find those type of players somewhere in the draft. Please. Im so sick of this team coming out flat. Especially on the road. There is no excuse for that bullsh*t. It disgusting to see that as a fan.

Cassel is a perfect example of how you can take a scheme and use it to shield and pad a players stats to make it look like he had a good year when in reality he didn't.

I am pretty convinced that the front office isn't that stubborn to admit they made a huge mistake with Cassel. I really hope that I'm right.

I wouldnt be shocked at all if Green is the only WR to be top 15.

As of today I think Green's a top 5 pick, Baldwins a top 10 guy and Jones will go somewhere in the 10-15 range. Floyd I think could be anywhere from mid 1st to the 2nd but I don't think he's nearly on the level the other 3 are.

You know what I think the real problem is with the Chiefs? They're not mentally tough enough.

I'm hoping for a QB. If we're screwed there one of the elite WR's with our #1. To fix the D we need a NT (Powe?) and an OLB. One guy I like is from UGA, Justin Houston. What's he, probably a 3-5 rounder?

What's with all this wanting to draft a QB in the first round? The Chiefs will be drafting in the 15-20 range most likely. What the hell QB are you going to take that earlier? Luck and Locker wont be on the board. Are you seriously going to use that pick on Ponder?

I seriously doubt this happens AT ALL... I know YOU value WR... but most NFL teams do not (well at least not as much as you)...

Past drafts and 1st round position of WRs taken
2010 - 22,24
2009 - 7,10,19,22,29,30
2008 - none
2007 - 2,9,23,27,30,32
2006 - 25
2005 - 3,7,10,21,22,27

You have to go back to 2005 to find a draft with 3 WRs in the top 15

I expect there to be 3 or 4 great WRs that we know about and 2 of them going in the top 15...

That said... I'd take an elite NT over WR.. but I highly doubt one of those slips out of the top 15...

I also think our OL is a fraud and needs a ton of work... not worth a 1st rounder but we better do some heavy investing in later rounds.

And this is the best WR draft in awhile, at least for top end talent, that's why I think more are gonna go high.

..btw, IF it does happen.. this would be the year... look at the CRAZY WR heavy pattern that occurs every OTHER year...

I agree but I think that we will see more than 3 top end guys by the time the draft rolls around.. I can see it easily being 5 or 6 guys that go in the first or early second and being studs.

I dont think I would take Floyd or Julio Jones if they were on the board, no matter where we pick in the first.

Floyd isnt available enough to warrant a very high pick and Julio Jones drops as many passes as Bowe.

No way Green is there when we pick, but I could see Baldwin being there and if he is, he would be a good pick.

Think we're picking ahead of the Rams? If not that's probably where Baldwins worse case scenario is.

You never know. Aaron Rodgers was picked at 23. If we're in the 15-20 range and a QB is sitting there at 10 I'm moving up. Without a QB you have to turn your defense into the 2000 Ravens in order to win a Super Bowl.

There's no point in picking a QB that early. Cassel will be here. As much as I dont want him to be here he's going to be here. I dont see the Chiefs picking a QB til atleast round 3.

I actually think we may have a worse record next year than this year just because of the schedule difference.

My hope is that we pick up a burner WR, a NT, and a pass rusher from this draft. Hopefully we'll finally be willing to address the QB in 2012 in what should be a tremendous draft class for that position.

I'm not of the belief that we need a Johnny Baldwin or AJ Green, although I would love to pick one if they were there.

The secondary just needs time.

We need another starting caliber pass rusher alongside Hali, because Studebaker is not the answer and who knows about Sheffield's future at all.

Needs (not in order)

1: QB
2: Secondary Pass Rusher
3: Deep Threat
4: NT
5: C
6: Rotational linebackers

So Hamas is looking at guys like Ronald Johnson for WR.

I want no part of Jake <del>Plummer</del> Locker in the first round.

There is very much a point to picking a QB that early. 50+% of Super Bowl winning QB's are drafted in the first round. Guys that can carry the team on their back. Guys that you build the team upon, not build your scheme around.

Without a QB you've got nothing.

I doubt KC drafts one in the first round either, but I am sick and tired of watching a guy that Pete Carroll was smart enough to not let see the field in college get protected, schemed and stated up to pretend as if he's a guy that can carry a team.

Keep him and you've got to build the 2000 Ravens defense and you might get one shot at a title. Draft a QB and you might have a guy that takes you to the playoffs 10 years in a row, and wins you multiple Super Bowls regardless of who he's throwing to, handing off to, or is blocking for him.

I'm tired of losing, I'm don't remember the last time KC won a playoff game. I may have watched it, but I was 14 and it was 1993. We've had the best defense in the league, and we've had the best offense in the league, yet we still haven't won a playoff game. We've had the best pass rusher, the best D line, the best O line, the best TE, the best rushing attack, pretty much the best anything you can name but QB. All have led to no playoff wins.

YET, the team with the best QB's seem to make the playoffs every year paired with crap defenses, crap o lines, crap WR corps, crap RB's.

I know I'm wasting my breath, too many folks in KC have bought that you can build around a QB and win and ignore the evidence that you have to build upon the QB. :shake:

It's a super-top heavy class. Not a lot of burners, but a lot of really solid types. He'd be somewhat redundant, but I really like Leonard Hankerson as well.

Watch us draft Szczur.

Unless Luck is on the board around pick 10, +/-3, there is no way in hell the Chiefs are going to trade up to get Locker. And there is no way in hell you use a 15-20 pick on Ponder. Cassel is going to be the QB next year. Even though he is not going to get us anywhere close to a SB the Chiefs have far worse positions to fill. They will pick for those positions and draft a backup for Cassel.

I'd like to see Arenas take over at CB2 and Carr demoted to Nickle.

Yeah, Arenas isn't any better than Carr. Carr is just not getting any better. Arenas can play at least to the level that Carr is now. Get the young buck experience at the position and see if he can earn it in a season where there are no aspirations of a Super Bowl run.

If there's any hope it's that Pioli was a cheapskate in New England. I would hope that when evaluating the roster bonus payout that he hasn't changed his way--paying based on performance.

Ya... I was thinking that same way until Cassel padded his stats against Denver. The Chiefs have no QB if they let Cassel walk. That leaves too much to be desired at 1 position when you need help across the board.

In defense of Julio Jones, the guy throwing him the ball at Alabama is essentially Matt Cassel.

I think we seriously need to look at another OG as well... I wouldn't cry over a RT either.

defensive needs in order of importance IMO:

1) NT
2) LOLB
3) Linebacker depth

Offensive needs in order of importance IMO:

1) QB
2) #1 receiver
3) Center
4) RT

Overall need in order of importance IMO:

1) QB This team isnt gonna go anywhere until this is fixed and I would almost go full Mike Ditka and trade the whole draft to move up to get Luck if he declares.

2) NT The most important position in the 3-4 defense and if this defense is gonna take the next step, it needs to be bale to stop the run without blitzing much and if we are gonna do that, Ron Edwards is a depth player.

3) #1 WR with consistent hands and enough speed to keep corners on their heels and make the deep comebacks, curls and slants deadly. I think Baldwin would be a great fit.

4) LOLB I still think Studebaker is gonna be a good player or else this would be a lot higher on this list because I think that a good player there would really elevate this defenses effectiveness. If we had a guy like Woodley at LOLB, this defense could be a top 8 unit IMO.

5) Center Preferably a player with the fire and mental strength of Weigman, but with a bigger frame.

6) Linebacker depth The starters are solid on this squad IMO (except for brokedick) and as I have mentioned over and over, Studebaker can be a player...but past the best 4 linebackers on this team, we are really lacking. We need depth at all four linebacker spots.

7)Running back Some of you may think I am crazy by listing this here over right tackle or a couple other needs, but Thomas Jones isnt gonna play forever and Charles inst a guy that can handle a huge load for the long term and even though I like Battle, I dont think he is a long term guy either. We could use a young Thomas Jones type back.

8) Right tackle Barry is doing alright, but he got pulled for Ryan Ocal in the last game and IMO neither are a long term answer for a superbowl quality team. This is an area that I wouldnt be totally opposed to using a second or third rounder on.

With Asamoah and Lilja on the squad, I dont see OG as a need.

We should just get Vick. He wanted to play for the Chiefs while he was in jail but we would not break him out of jail. He would solve all our defensive woes.

That's were I stopped reading this post. We need an excellent pass rusher to compliment Hali.

A.J. Green.

Who are the good QBs for the 2012 draft? :(

In that case I hope it's Alec. He's the best of them.

This x 1578

Who? Name some.

Gee I hope not.

Drafts are funny animals. Ponder might fall to the 2nd round. Claussen did.

Blaine Gabbert, Nick Foles, Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley.

Luck is by no means a shoo-in to declare.

Asamoah is fine but Lilja is 29 and Waters is 33... that's all we got... we definitely need at least one more quality OG for the future.

When I think Powe, I always think of Callahan Bright. I know I shouldn't lump them together so I'll ask...

Is Powe a fat, lazy turd?

beat me to it.

For all that was made of the 2011 qb class before the year (which I wasnt too impressed with, but then again I was abig Locker fan too), I think the 2012 class has a great chance to be the next 83 class.

Those 4 are a good start and there are a couple others that could also surface.

I think it is becoming obvious we need help pretty much anywhere you look. I think the #2 thing we need behind a new QB is an emotional leader. We do not seem to have anyone who gets everyone fired-up.

We need to sign two FA starters, two rookie starters, and replace a handle full of backups from this offseason.

Assuming the QB does not change the top 4 replacements should be
1. WR to start replace Chambers
2. NT to shore up the middle of the D
3. OLB to replace Vrabel
4. OL to replace (Waters or Weigman, I don't think both will be back)

Oline: Albert, Lilja, Asamoah are the only quality NFL lineman we have. Richardson appears he might be ok, Wiegman and Waters are ready for retirment.

RB: Charles is a stud, but he needs someone to help with the carries. Jones should not brought back he is being totally overhyped. Battle should have been replaced already.

WR: Bowe is the only starter we have. McCluster will be a nice slot receiver. Need to see more of Tucker. The remainder of the group should be gone.

QB: We have a #2 QB.

Dline: Dorsey is the only quality starter. A couple decent role/depth players....Edwards, Smith, Gilberry.

LB: DJ and Hali. Vrabel should not be back. Studebaker and Bulcher are decent backups, but the rest are not very good.

DB: This group is in pretty good shape. I think Carr needs to be replaced as a starter. I'm not sure Arenas is the answer. Flowers, Berry, Carr, Lewis, Arenas, McGraw, Leggitt

It's silly to look ahead to future draft classes as an answer. Things change so much.

Last year people were saying there would be 4-5 WRs better than Dez Bryant. 3-4 QBs better than Bradford, etc.

But how about the other 3? 1 or 2 might come out this year instead of next. Though Foles will be doing himself a disservice if he did, due to his injury.

I agree though that if all 4 stay next years QB draft bunch will be great. Especially when, it seems, every year a new name or 2 also pop up and added to the list.

I think your analysis is too pessimistic. Some of the players you mentioned deserve a bit more credit and will perform better when glaring holes are filled which makes the whole TEAM perform better.

Take Cody in the second round. He could help at the NT position. Sorry.

Free Agent pickups

LB Lamar Woodley
LB David Harris

Would it be too much to hope Ngata becomes a FA? :D