***The Official MMA Thread***
 

Excited about an upcoming fight? Want to make predictions, or just give people a heads-up that there are some fights on? We can do it here.

(Also a good place to complain, dicuss, and agrue about the outcomes)

As I said in the Carwin/Lesnar thread...

I wanna see BJ Penn get his belt back. Surely he'll have solved Edgar's puzzle by the time they fight again. I like Frankie, he's a good fighter, but I was shocked to see him get that win.

I can't decide anymore what is more white trash. Nascar or MMA? MMA is getting close, but the fact there are actually black people in it seems to help it stay out of the abyss.

So go to the World Cup thread :rolleyes:

Mixed martial arts isn't "white trash" at all. It's one on one competition. And for the most part, it's handled with honor and class. (by the participants)

The white trash feeling you're having is probably caused by fans. One drunk reerun in an Affliction shirt (who thinks he's a fighter) makes all the other fans look bad.

The sport itself, is very entertaining, very safe... and becoming more and more popular.

I think MMA is a great sport, I'm just talking about the fans. It's not as bad as Nascar, but man are there alot of white trash motherfuckers that love that sport.

Well, I can't argue with you there...lol

you see that video again yet???
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Been to an NFL game ever? there are idiots that follow every sport~

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I nominate TG as Mod. :)

I was gonna say... this should be retitled to

*** Official The Guardian - God of MMA - Thread ***

UFC 119, 9/25 in Indy:

Frank Mir vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Ryan Bader vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira

Twin brothers main eventing. Wacky stuff.

Bader is like a more refined Brilz with KO power. I hope Lil Nog learned from the last fight.

Anyone think Sonnen has a chance vs. Silva?

I don't.

But damn, I'd like to see him taken down a peg. (Or at least see someone give him a real fight FFS)

ROFLROFLROFL

He has the right skill-set to get Anderson tired which could lead to him out-pointing Silva. But everyone has a good gameplan until they get punched in the face.

I will say this, that guy has an absolute god-given talent for trash talking. Some of the smack he was dishing out on Twitter about Anderson and Ed Soares (translator) was some of the funniest I've heard. He had to apologize later because it got pretty harsh.

I'm looking forward to Silva knocking Jake Shields out though.

Mark Hunt vs Sean McCorkle (undefeated) also reported to be signed or close to signed for this card. Mark doesn't win much but I've never seen a boring fight from him.

Is Sonnen for real with this crap he is spouting?

Chael Sonnen Plans To Retire Anderson Silva

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Sonnen is doing his damnedest to promote this thing. I'll pass on the ppv though, maybe catch it if I'm out.

The main event has a chance to be a bomb so they loaded up the undercard. From top to bottom it's a great card.

No way I buy this one........fuk Anderson Silva.

it isn't really a spo........


kidding :)

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2995/silvasaweirdo.png

Chael not being able to meet Silva's eyes is hilarious after he talked 2 months worth of shit. In a pink shirt no less.

It's a terrific card. Well worth the money, but I'll watch in for free on I/N.

:rolleyes:

Bump:

So any confirmed internet feeds on this thing?

It looks like this is a good place to start......

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/434...zil-(7th-Aug)?

Wow, the first two were good fights.

The "gimmic with the gut" took some punches, but looked awful. Nice chin, though.

Where is ****head at? Oh you know that guy who is the be all end all of MMA?

Wow.
Not saying he wasn't out anyway. But how unlucky to fall like that with one arm behind your back?

This is the best-quality stream I've had in a long time, and I'm able to watch the best fight I've seen in a long time.

Wow, Silva had his ass handed to him for 23 minutes and 1 slip up. He wants no part of Sonnen in a rematch.

Wouldnt go that far, only took 1 shot on the chin after the guy had dominated him for 4 rds. After laying on the guy pounding on him, should have taken more than a punch to get him into submission. But great fight.

Sonnen kept him down, but never did any real damage at all.

He landed strikes, improved position, controlled Silva. That is as much as you will see a fighter dominated in the UFC. At this point I think GSP and Shogun are much more dominant in their weight classes then Silva. Silva isn't even a top 5 PFP now IMO. Fedor, Shogun, GSP, Bones Jones, and an in shape Penn would top the list.

True, about 10 seconds before he taps, he gets lit up, enough for Silva to lock him in. If all you saw was the end of fight photos, you'd never guess Sonnen had him dominated for the whole fight.

Yet after 23 minutes of dominating him, took a single punch to get Silva into position for submission. Great fight, worthy of a rematch. But Sonnen didnt do much damage while dominating him.

Exactly, but some guys just bleed and swell up easier then others. Stephen Bonner looks like a loser after every one of his fights.

Still a fun card despite the crapping ending. Dos Santos is going to be a real threat to Brock, I always enjoy a Matt Hughes win, and Fitch is fun to watch grind out those W's despite is supposed lack of talent.

I'm not really sure what you are arguing here, a few of those rounds could have been 10-8's.

Was a good card. Not sure what kind of threat Dos Santos could be to Brock. But Fitch just drags people into his type of fight. Dude just does what he does. Isnt flashy, but damn sure effective.

Wow, other than the yawner Fitch fight, that was one hell of a card. Silva got very lucky. We'll see if Silva has the balls to give him a rematch.

Sonnen was way ahead on the card. But the fact all it took was a good Silva shot deep into the 5th rd to stun and effectively end the fight, means it was just that, ahead on the cards and dominating while not doing serious damage.

Junior does a great job of stuffing take downs and is excellent with hands. He poses the biggest threat to Brock in the HW division IMO. Fitch is just gritty, he has become one of my favorite fighters along with Chris Leben. I don't know if he is going to get any better result against GSP then he did last time though, but who thought Sonnen would dominate Silva like that, or Edgar would dominate BJ like that. That's the beauty, you just never know.

MMA isn't a beauty contest. Guys don't have to get hurt to be dominated. Reps for nice Avi also.

Has to, IMO, if he's a real champion. Sonnen now knows it takes more than wrestling to beat him. After having complete ground control over a guy for 4 and 1/2 rds.... took one punch for him to get a submission hold. Sonnen cant count on the fight unfolding the same way the next time. Silva knows it only takes one good punch. Sonnen needs to do much more damage the next fight.

Isn't Vitor already guaranteed the next shot at Silva? The UFC seems to like to get the #1 contender ready to go and close the door on some potentially good rematches.

Shogun more dominant?!? LOL...okaaaaay.

Fedor? Come on. Have you never seen a Fedor fight? He's done exactly what Silva did on a handful of occasions. Except for in his last fight, when he tapped right away. Let's not forget that Silva WON the damn fight.

The P4P discussion is him and GSP. Nobody else.

Man, I'm still shocked Chael lost.

Sonnen's face may have looked worse, but there is no way in hell his body feels like andersons does. Anderson will feel it alot more.

Silva is no way involved in that discussion after been beaten badly for that many rounds in a row like that. You could say it's GSP and nobody else, but I honestly think right now Bones Jones is that guy. It's just a matter of time before he proves it. I think GSP could move up to 185 and do the same thing to Silva that Connen did and probably stop it with a submission.

Don't forget Shogun won the pride grand prix beating HW's in the process. He has had some injury issues, but now that he is back at full strength I don't see him losing for some time, much less being man handled for 4-5 rounds like Silva wa.

Also what a bitch of an excuse Silva laid out there at the end for getting his ass kicked. He said he had a broken rib or some bullshit.

Eh, that's the Brazilian ground game, eat some punishment and wait that opening. It just took 4.5 rounds for that opening, he'd been working for it the whole fight though. I was impressed by Sonnen, he kept throwing enough on the ground to keep the ref from standing them up the whole fight, he just chipped away at him, but it wasn't enough.

I don't think there is much doubt now that GSP would lay waste to Silva.

I hope that's the case, but GSP isn't exactly a knockout artist. I hope he can finish him once he gets him down. I also hope that fight takes place "soon."

Yeah, I was enjoying that fight a great deal, until the that 2 1/2 minutes of the fight. :doh!:A decent bunch of fights though.

That's twice now that Silva has been shown to really have a problem with Wrestlers. Hendo did a similar thing to him first round but got caught in the second. Sonnon was winning 8-10 rounds with it. Anderson doesn't do well off his back at all. GSP would put him there faster and easier than Sonnon did, and Sonnon had no problems doing it.

Well said, my friend.

Finally something we agree upon. It's either 50-45 GSP or Silva Taps.


Anybody else as impressed with Bones Jones as I am? I think he might be the GSP of the LW division for years to come.

Well said, my friend.

I hope that fight takes place in the foreseeable future and Silva gets his ass handed to him.

Pretty sure it will. GSP has to fight Kosh and I think Silva has to fight Vitor next. If they both win (this is most likely) I think that's the fight that gets lined up and I see GSP dominating Silva pretty badly. It's obvious that a great wrestler (GSP is probably the best wrestler in all of MMA) that can get Silva down (check GSP's successful shoot percentage) will own Silva.

Silva obviously has a huge advantage on his feet and GSP is not exactly known for his chin, but as long as he can do what he usually does and not take that knock-out strike, he should own Silva badly.

im hoping vitor knocks silvas ass out.
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Bullshit.

Silva got dominated last night against a good wrestler. Dan Henderson dominated Silva similarly in the first round, where Silva had no answer.

GSP is a better wrestler than either of those guys (which is saying something). If GSP can avoid taking one on the chin then he'll easily be able to take down Silva and ground n pound his ass all night. Pull your head out of your ass.

GSP's shoots are just sick and are the best in the game. If Sonnen can whip his ass for 4 and 1/2 rounds GSP can do the same.

Like I said, if GSP can avoid Silva's knockout shots then he should dominate easily. As good as Silva looks standing, he looks equally as bad in a mounted position fighting from his back. Everyone has a weakness. That is most certainly Silva's.

So how do you explain ranking Fedor in your top 5 after he just tapped out? Apparently in your world, tapping out early in a fight is more impressive than a come from behind win? Not sure I understand that logic.

I also think it's funny how you crucify Silva for his most recent fight, but then go and use Shogun fights from five years ago to defend putting him above Silva. Here's what we know about Shogun's recent body of work - he got tooled by Forrest Griffin and beat up on washed up Chuck Lidell and even more washed up Mark Coleman. Impressive, eh? Now the two fights with Machida ARE impressive and he's certainly worthy of being ranked as one of the top fighters in the world, but looking at that resume and then telling me that he's been more dominant than Silva is laughable at best. Almost as laughable as ranking Jon Jones as one of the top 5 pound-for-pound fighters, and ABOVE ANDERSON SILVA. Are you kidding me? He's a great prospect, but let him accomplish something first before you crown his ass.

Sonnen fought the perfect fight and Silva had an off night, whether it was the ribs or something else, who knows. But a win is a win and Silva showed what an amazing fighter he really is by hanging in there, withstanding the punishment and finding a way to pull out the victory. Was it his best performance? No, but the logic that an ugly win drops him below guys who have had much uglier LOSSES in recent memory is completely ridiculous.

Great fight and card. As for Silva in the p4p, he has now gone about six years without a legit loss (the Okami fight was a DQ for knocking Okami out while he was in Silva's guard with his heel). That's edging close to Fedor territory. If Silva isn't on a p4p list, then it is incomplete. Plain and simple.

Yep. Bones has quickly become one of my favorite fighters.
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Because Fedor has only 1 career loss and he didn't get dominated for nearly 5 rounds of a fight only to pull one out of his ass at the end. I don't think he is the same dude he was 5 years ago, but he still should be considered a P4P elite.

Shogun has a great resume. 2 Wins over Overeem, a win over a prime Rampage, Little Nog, Arona, etc.... He obviously wasn't the same guy when he first showed up in UFC that he was in Pride. He is also fighting in a much more difficult weight class. Silva fights at the weakest weight class in MMA, probably because he knows he would get his ass handed to him against the elite LH's.

If it had been a close fight throughout then yeah, I say great fight great win, but to get dominated for 23 minutes and then pull one out your ass is less then impressive. Sonnen is obviously the better fighter despite the outcome. I don't know what the hell got into him that has made him improve so much in the year or so, but right now he is the top 185lber in the world in my eyes. He dominated Marquardt, Miller, Okaimi, and Silva in his last 4 fights. Maybe Shields, I don't know.

Jones has destroyed every guy put in front of him so far and I would say Hamill and Vera are both top 15 LHW's in the world. Neither had a chance against the guy. I'm really not sure what the hold up is on him. Then need a fight with him against Machida, Franklin, or Thiago Silva for a shot at Shogun once he puts Rashad to sleep. Although a 3rd Machida-Shogun fight would be worthless since Shogun beat him twice already.

OMG. He fought Forrest on a completely bum knee. EVERYONE knows that. The guy could barely walk. He then ran through Machida TWICE (everyone knows that first loss was bullshit). And he'd walk through Silva if silva had the nuts to go to 205 to face him.

I still rank Silva one of the best, but he has most def been exposed as having trouble with great wrestlers and fighting from off his back. This can't be disputed. I also think you have to rank him easily below GSP in the best P4P fighter department.

Sonnen is talented but A) he hasn't finished a fight in 3 years and never in the UFC, and B) he gets caught by slick BJJ guys. Seems like par for the course. Obviously better? Nope.

You can't write off Silva for nearly getting decision-ed by a wrestle-****er extraordinaire like Sonnen (I mean that as a compliment, btw). Just like you couldn't write off GSP after getting da riddum knocked out of him by Serra.

My issue is that anybody can get caught with a lucky punch, but have you ever seen GSP or Fedor manhandled like that for over 20 minutes. Yes, he irked out a win, but it wasn't like it was even a close fight before that. That could have been a 50-43 fight on those cards. I don't even think Silva forced a stand up once in those 20 some minutes on his back.

Silva wasn't 100%, either by alleged injury or because he hasn't trained very hard the past few fights. (see: the Maia shenanigans, or training with Steven ****ing Seagal)

Fedor takes stupid amounts of damage in his fights and takes risks, just because he hasn't come across a dominating wrestler with a gas tank is probably the reason he hasn't been on his back for 20 minutes. The Hammer House guys weren't chumps, but even in their MMA primes they weren't in the same league as guys like Velasquez and Lesnar.

GSP takes very few risks ever since Matt Hughes caught him in that armbar. He outclasses everyone in technical grappling. It will be interesting to see if he can resist Kos' takedowns, and down the road, match up with Jake Shields, who has a similar game.

First off, no one is 100% going into a fight. Sparring, mat work, lifting, conditioning, everything takes a toll. Lots of guys win fights nicked up and dinged. They only talk about the injuries when they lose.

Silva has most definitely been exposed. All it takes is one guy. To get dominated the way he did is a real eye opener.

As far as him catching Sonnen, that was more Sonnen's fault than some "slick" BJJ by Silva. Sonnen postured up and left his hands in a lazy position. This is shit you learn in the first week of ground fighting. Truth is all Sonnon had to do was lay on Silva for the 5th round and he's the champ but he chose to fight and I respect that. Silva's reign as champ will be coming to an end soon.

Vitor better be in the gym wrestling his ass off right now.

I think Vitor is more of a Rich Franklin type of fighter with a much better BJJ game. I'm afraid Silva's reign as champion will continue after this fight. It's going to be a Shields, Sonnen, GSP type guy that beats him. Hughes might even make an interesting fight.

Yup. Vitor is going to stand and that's Silva's bread and butter. It will be another great wrestler that puts an end to Silva.

I love Matt and I thought he'd lost a step until Saturday, man he looked lean. Maybe he's getting his second wind.

As long as he stay away from GSP he will be okay for a bit longer. I would like to see him and Fitch go at it, but Fitch is going to face GSP next.