CNNSI's 2009 Chiefs Draft Coverage - Mark Sanchez
 

Thought some of you, Mecca, would get a kick out of this. Apparently there is a glitch in their system.
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Here are their picks for us.

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Round Pick Player Position School
1 5 (5) Mark Sanchez QB USC
2 4 (36) Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State
2 18 (50) Mohamed Massaquoi WR Georgia
4 2 (102) Donald Washington CB Ohio State
5 3 (139) Colin Brown T Missouri
6 2 (175) Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State
7 3 (212) Javarris Williams RB Tennessee State
7 28 (237) Jake O'Connell TE Miami University
7 47 (256)* Ryan Succop K University of South Carolina

Better draft!

We could only wish that was true.

hells yes!

Still not a big fan of Sanchez. Replace Sanchez with Tyson Jackson, and it's an even shittier draft than the one we had.

I wish the pick had been Raji, not Sanchez.

:shake:

Why the shake? What has Sanchez done to definitively prove that he's a QBOTF?

He was a so-so QB and he stepped up when asked to last year. But franchise QB? I haven't seen any proof of that. When you're a team with a shutdown defense and one of the best RBs in the game, all you have to do is not shit your pants.

Congrats to Sanchez for not shitting his pants. And right now, yeah, he looks like a better option than Cassel. But that doesn't mean that he's a franchise QB.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

The kid took his team on the road twice in the playoffs and won.

His team was leading 17-6, on the road, in Indy before Brian Schottenheimer went into a shell.

:facepalm:

Sanchez could someday be the Super Bowl MVP and people on Chiefsplanet will STILL say he sucks.

Let's play your dumb**** game and ignore all the success Sanchez had for a ****ING 22-YEAR OLD ROOKIE LEADING A ****ING TEAM TO THE ****ING AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Let's call his gameplay shitty, horrible, and not worth even Matt Cassel's pick in the 2nd round.

He's still a QB that won (yes, HE won) enough games to get into the playoffs and kick ass from that point. Keep in mind, he did it ON THE ROAD against teams that had the potential to beat the Colts.




Tyson Jackson tackled a few people for a 4-12 team.

Go kill your family, then die in a fire.

I never said he sucks. I'm saying he hasn't done anything to prove that he's a franchise QB. Like I said, he played well when asked to at the right moments. The Jets had the #1 total defense by about 500 yards, had the #1 scoring defense with a disgusting 14.8 Points Allowed per Game, and were the #1 rushing offense in the NFL by a mile.

He still holds onto the ball too long, is careless protecting the ball, and struggled mightily when they were forced to open up the pass offense. Doesn't mean he can't get better. But as of now, hasn't proven he's a franchise QB except for a team with an outstanding supporting cast.

I guess if he had taken them to Super Bowl and lost, you'd be proclaiming you weren't impressed either.

I've come to realize sometimes, people who appear normal otherwise, are completely ****ing stupid when it comes to the quarterback position in the NFL.

Yeah, because I called his gameplay shitty. Where did you read into that?

And yeah, because I said we should have drafted Tyson Jackson, even though I said I would have drafted Raji.

And yeah, because i said we made a great move to trade for Cassel, when I already said that Sanchez is better than Cassel at this stage.

Read ****ing English before you try to make a moronic rant.

Like I said, I was impressed with the way Sanchez handled himself when asked to do so. But you can't ignore that the Jets were #1 in every area except the passing game.

But we at CP have argued up and down that we don't want game managers. And right now, Sanchez was just that. He did it brilliantly in the final stretch. You can't deny that was exactly what he was asked to do. Brady and Big Ben started that way too, and have since carried their teams in the passing game as they got older. It remains to be seen if Sanchez can do the same, but I see a lot more flaws in his game than those two.

Look, right now, I'd much rather have Sanchez than Cassel. And frankly, I'd much rather Clausen than Sanchez and would even use a #5 pick on him even knowing how far Clausen would slide and even knowing that Berry was on the board.

yikes....

fyp

That's still a horrible draft. I really dunno what Pioli was thinking the first year.

Hopefully when it is all said and done, last years draft will not be so horrible. They are talking that you have to coach up the players you have on your roster. I know that goes against the CP philosophy that says all draft picks are busts if they don't show HOF skills in their first preseason game, but I am excited to hear that philosophy going to be followed. Jackson, McGee, Belcher, Studebaker, Washington, Harris, Brown, and the likes need to be brought along if this team is to move to the front of the AFC West in the near future.

Guys, football teams are supposed to bring communities together. We're very confident that we've built the foundation through last year's draft. We were able to get the next Richard Seymour, and the next Tom Brady out of 1 draft. We were shocked you all didn't share our elation. But, that is why we do what we do, and you all do, well, whatever it is that you do.

Season tickets are available now. Contact your local sales rep. Tell them you want to be a part of the right 53,000 season ticket holders. The evaluation year is over. Be a part of the process.

LMAO

Best mult ever.

The consequence of Mark Sanchez being good is too great for most Chiefs fans to accept, because it means that our GM is a ****ing reerun.

I beg your pardon? The great fans of Boston would disagree. Did you not read my above post? We got the next Tom Brady AND the next Richard Seymour out of that draft. Some of you guys are bitching just to bitch. I am the executive of the decade after all.

And in the second draft you got the next Ed Reed, Wes Welker, Devin Hester, and Mark Bavaro with your first four picks.

McCluster isn't white. Other than that, it would appear that you fully understand the process.

LMAO

He's throwing 97 with movement right now.

If Scott Pioli were to stop posting now, I'd argue that his posts in this thread would put him in contention for end-of-the-year honors.

LMAO In Draft Planet, he's funny as ****. Out front though, I has to pepper his steak a bit for the reeruns in General Population.

I wonder what the Dolphins fans are saying about them taking Gholston over Matt Ryan or Jake Long?

ummmm nothing, because the Jets took Gholsten. The Dolphins DID take Jake Long.

oh, it was just a dig on a poster...nm

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that has to be GoChiefs' mult.

Well done, no matter whos it is.

LMAO

I know, I don't see how people can doubt that any rookie quarterback who wins playoff games and takes his team to the conference championship will be a great NFL qb.

Such people must not recognize the greatness of Shawn King.

Now that I had time to do this, let me tell you why Sanchez has a lot to prove before we can label him a franchise QB. NOTE: this in no way suggests that he won't ever reach that status. I haven't seen anything that indicates that he won't, but he has to get there before I say it.

MYTH: Sanchez has proven to be a playoff winner
TRUTH: Sanchez played decent in the playoffs, but wasn't asked to come up big when it mattered most.
4th quarter performances:
-Indy - 7-12 for 88 yards, 0TD, 0INT (take away a 1:00 minute drill drive when they're down by 13 in the 4th quarter, and it's 3-8, 33 Yds, 1INT
-San Diego - 2-2, 9 yards, 2 TDs (when you throw two passes all quarter and they're both TD passes of < 10 yards, that speaks volumes about your defense and running game)
-Cincinnati - 1-1, 3 yards

So in 4th quarters in the playoffs, he was 10-15 with 100 yards (take away the 1 minute drill and it's 6-11, 45 yards.

And when you look at Sanchez's scores, against Cincy, you had 1 TD in which 0 passes were thrown. Against San Diego, you had 2 TDs where you scored a TD on < 10 yard pass. And against Indy, you have a TD in which you only threw for 9 yards.

MYTH: Sanchez has proven he knows how to win games
TRUTH: Sanchez wasn't just bad in 4th quarters. He was absolutely horrendous.
-Sanchez in 4th quarters-- 46-87 (53%), 674 yards (7.7 avg), 2 TDs, 10 INTs, 1st down % (35.6%)
-Sanchez in 4th quarters w/in 7--25-52 (56%), 362 yards (7.0 avg), 1 TD/3 INT (32.7%)


Was his performance good in his rookie season? For a rookie, yes. Is he a franchise QB? No--he has to prove he can be more than a game manager and he has to prove that he can carry his team in the 4th quarter, which he's never been really asked to do.

We lay very tough standards for our own QBs to be franchise QBs. We need to do the same for other team's QBs too.

Myth: Chiefzilla uses his time wisely.:evil:

Myth: Numbers matter.

Only one number matters: Wins

Even that number can be misleading.

At one time in his career, Steve Bono had the highest win % among active QBs.

Very true.

Wins - wins against teams resting for the playoffs.

Can we take the position that he'd be at that point a step below Trent Dilfer. Seeing as he took a similar team to the SB and won?

And that resting worked out real well, didnit?

Teams with the number 1 defense and running game tend to get those.

You mean like the OJ Simpson Bills, or the 90s Chiefs?

Teams with top defense and top flight QBs win championships.

The '99 Ravens, who used your formula to win a championship, are the exception.

Dilfer wasn't a rookie in 2000.

And as good as the Jets defense was in 2009, I'd take the Ravens of 2000 any day of the week over the Jets.

They're not just numbers. He's been pegged as a guy who knows how to win games. And yet he was horrendous at third down efficiency and atrocious in 4th quarters. And looking beyond the numbers, rarely was he ever asked to be anything special in the 4th quarter. It's a lot easier to win games when you have the best defense in the league that holds your lead for an entire 4th quarter. He was a game manager. I thought he played fine for a rookie, but when people elevate him to a clear future franchise QB based on 2009, that's just ridiculous. As I said before, if we're so tough on our own being franchise QBs, why are we so loose about calling other QBs franchise QBs?

They are just numbers.

Sanchez made a couple of big plays in the playoffs, plays that the Jets needed him to make.

Numbers don't tell us that.

Does any of it mean that he's going to be a great QB?

No.

But don't throw numbers out there and try to tell me it proves anything, because numbers mean jack.

But they weren't just numbers. When it comes to the playoffs, it proved that he wasn't asked to do very much in the 4th quarter--how many playoff QBs have that luxury? And it showed that a lot of his scores required him to do virtually nothing. If you look beyond the numbers at the regular season, you'll see that in most games, the Jets won because the defense held the lead for an entire quarter or held a small deficit to exactly the same margin--how many defenses are that good that they can do that?

He was a game manager who made about 3 or 4 big plays of 40-50 yards. That's the best way to describe his playoff performance. That's not a bad thing. But a few months ago, everyone acted like being a game manager was such a terrible thing.

Like I said, not saying he was good or bad. Just saying that right now, he's a game manager. And people are trying so hard to pretend he wasn't Trent Dilfer. But that's basically what he was all season long. A game manager who wasn't asked to do much but delivered on the rare occasion that he was.

I'm not even going to waste the ****ing time it takes to read you stupid ****ing post.

I stopped at "But they weren't just numbers".

Pay the **** attention dumbass.

I have consistently said for as long as I've been a member of this forum, and the Star forum before this.

I don't give a rat's ass about numbers, so stop wasting my ****ing time with your useless ****ing posts to support your useless ****ing opinions with useless ****ing numbers.

I watch the ****ing games you useless piece of shit.

I base my opiniions on what I see, and you can take your useless ****ing numbers and shove them up your useless ****ing ass.

Do I now make myself clear, dumbass,

Don't ****ing waste my time with ****ing numbers.

Then read before you rant. Both times.

There weren't just numbers. There was play by play analysis. Which you ignored. Twice.

I read the first post you stupid ****.

I said that Sanchez made a couple of big plays when the Jets needed them, and your numbers and play by play analysis ignore that.

I am also not arguing that he's any more than a game manager at this point, or that he will ever be any more than a game manager, even though I believe he will eventually prove out to be a franchise QB.

I am simply telling you I don't give a rat's ass about your useless ****ing numbers.

I have said several times that he's come up when asked to. And I said he made several big plays in the playoffs.

But it doesn't change the fact that people talk about him as this Quarterback that knows how to win. I don't know how anyone can say that when he's never been asked to do ANYTHING in 4th quarters and when asked to, hasn't been impressive. Going into the 4th quarter, the Jets won games usually because their defense held a 7-10 point lead. When the Jets were behind by, say, 7, their defense usually gave Sanchez about 5 opportunities to even the score. It's not like Brady, where you're constantly asked to engineer game-winning 2-minute drills early in your career. Sanchez's only job in the 4th quarter was to not shit his pants. And he did a few times, but the defense usually covered his pants for him.

In the late part of the season, he become a good game manager who made a few occasional huge yardage plays who wasn't asked to do anything when it mattered most. Or when he was asked, was very inconsistently admirable.

This isn't pointed at you as much as it is pointed at people who want to make Sanchez to be more than he is. He performed well for a rookie but has a really long way to go before proving he's a franchise QB. But he's going to continue to win games because his supporting cast is so damn good, he'll be asked to be a game manager. There are a lot of QBs who failed in the NFL that I can bet you would do just fine in the same role Sanchez plays. JMO.

Then, when talking to me, say that.

I can get behind that line of thought.

Throwing numbers at me and then trying to justify throwing those numebrs at me after I've said numbers mean hjack to me simply pisses me off.

I agree that Sanchez did nothing to prove he's going to be a franchise QB, so don't waste my time with numbers.

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That wasn't what I meant, but you are right. Teams can rack up the regular season wins with that formula, but can't sustain it without the high level QB. I agree with that. The context of my comment was how the Jets won games this year. It sure wasn't with top flight QB play. If Sanchez continues his development, they will be competing for titles year in and year out.

So...you don't like numbers?

I'm saying that numbers don't always tell the story.

Hell people here still say Peyton Manning sucks. You'll never be able to please everyone.

He's one Super Bowl win better than Dan Marino. He beat Rex Grossman for the one that he's got. The best that the NFL had that year? Grossman? The Pop Warner league title winner could have beat Grossman and the Bears in that game.

Manning sucks dog nuts.

Thing is, kids, Milkman Barney wasn't actually saying 'kissing.'

I don't care how you met my mother.