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dirk digler 10-18-2009 08:39 PM

Rumor: Chiefs trying to trade DJ and DaJuan Morgan possibly Albert
 
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The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 PM Eastern time and the rumors are going to be swirling for the next 48 hour or so.
This report come from Mike Lombardi at the National Football Post, who has consistently delivered solid insider info from Arrowhead. He was very close on early reports about Matt Cassel's contract.

I do want to stress that this is a rumor. From Lombardi:
The Chiefs are trying to move former 2005 first-round linebacker Derrick Johnson and 2008 third-round safety DeJuan Morgan.
Todd Haley and Co. are making no secret about their unhappiness with the players they inherited from the previous regime.
I’m hearing they don’t like anyone, including Branden Albert, who they feel is not a left tackle.

Strong words from Lombardi as we near the trade deadline. I do believe Lombardi is correct in his comments about the Kansas City Chiefs and their intentions for those players. At least in the sense that there are a lot of Chiefs players who could possibly be moved for the right price. Jay Glazer said earlier today that the Chiefs are open to trading any player except for Matt Cassel.

Back in August, we caught wind of a rumor that Scott Pioli offered the Detroit Lions DaJuan Morgan for a 4th round pick. The Lions didn't bite, possibly giving us a glimpse into what Morgan may be worth on the open market.

The question is - Will any other team bite on either DJ, DaJuan Morgan or Branden Albert?

Reerun_KC 10-18-2009 08:40 PM

This could be interesting...

Demonpenz 10-18-2009 08:40 PM

3rd and a 5th from the eagles and albert will be a guard there

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 08:41 PM

Quote:

...from Mike Lombardi at the National Football Post, who has consistently delivered solid insider info from Arrowhead.
Yeah, like the bullshit claim that Cassel had signed a long-term deal on draft day, negating any leverage we had in trading down?

kcpasco 10-18-2009 08:41 PM

Why in the **** would they be willing to trade Albert?

This is dumb

DeezNutz 10-18-2009 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186241)
I’m hearing they don’t like anyone

LMAO.

This is some wonderfully stupid shit.

Coach 10-18-2009 08:41 PM

Can't trade an injured player.

Sorry. Alot of fail on that one.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-18-2009 08:41 PM

Well, **** me.

Watch us draft Okung, who got pushed around by Aldon Smith, or Williams, who's gotten his shit pushed in all year. Or maybe Bauluga, who gave up multiple sacks yesterday.

:banghead:

Mama Hip Rockets 10-18-2009 08:42 PM

why don't they trade their shitty players instead?

dirk digler 10-18-2009 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6186255)
Can't trade an injured player.

Sorry. Alot of fail on that one.

I bet he could have played today

Coach 10-18-2009 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186262)
I bet he could have played today

With a walking boot on it?

Unlikely.

Demonpenz 10-18-2009 08:43 PM

they were holding out albert so he could get his personal affairs in order for when we get that 4th round pick

Reerun_KC 10-18-2009 08:44 PM

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:o...ombstone03.jpg

dirk digler 10-18-2009 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6186264)
With a walking boot on it?

Unlikely.

He wanted to come back in last week and the coaches told him no. I am sure if the game was super important he would have. No reason to risk further injury on a 0-5 team

Noss 10-18-2009 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186249)
Yeah, like the bullshit claim that Cassel had signed a long-term deal on draft day, negating any leverage we had in trading down?

This

Basileus777 10-18-2009 08:45 PM

Mike Lombardi is still a clueless hack.

dirk digler 10-18-2009 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186249)
Yeah, like the bullshit claim that Cassel had signed a long-term deal on draft day, negating any leverage we had in trading down?

Wasn't he right on this especially on the numbers?

Coach 10-18-2009 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186274)
He wanted to come back in last week and the coaches told him no. I am sure if the game was super important he would have. No reason to risk further injury on a 0-5 team

I'm aware of that, but he was, reportedly, wearing the black ankle boot.

Plus, he would need clearence not only from the KC doctors, but also from the other team's doctor in order for that trade to happen.

Plus, it just doesn't make sense to trade away linemen, an area where they are in desperate need of players right now.

wild1 10-18-2009 08:47 PM

Albert has not looked good this year, no question about that. I wouldn't cry about any of this I guess.

Demonpenz 10-18-2009 08:47 PM

by time we are ready to win albert will be too old anyway, lets get that 5th round pick

Mama Hip Rockets 10-18-2009 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6186285)
Albert has not looked good this year, no question about that. I wouldn't cry about any of this I guess.

no, but he's still better than everybody else they have, except for maybe waters. they can't really afford even LESS depth on the line.

The Bad Guy 10-18-2009 08:50 PM

I don't buy for one minute they don't like Brendan Albert.

Coach 10-18-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6186299)
I don't buy for one minute they don't like Brendan Albert.

I honestly, can't wait until the NFL trade deadline passes, so we don't have to see garbage articles like these.

It's a ****ing sham.

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186281)
Wasn't he right on this especially on the numbers?

Uh, no.

Cassel signed in July.

wild1 10-18-2009 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 6186295)
no, but he's still better than everybody else they have, except for maybe waters. they can't really afford even LESS depth on the line.

I wasn't advocating benching him, I was commenting on how my level of upset if they traded him on a scale of 1 to 10 would be about a 2.



For the record - I don't believe this story.

Since the Pioli regime has arrived, the media has done nothing with the Chiefs but pass off naked speculation as "news".

This is probably just more speculative "reporting"

tonyetony 10-18-2009 08:52 PM

Now that I know we're not going 0-16 i'm ok with stock piling draft picks for guys that minimally contribute. See ya.

wild1 10-18-2009 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6186302)
I honestly, can't wait until the NFL trade deadline passes, so we don't have to see garbage articles like these.

It's a ****ing sham.

I want to hear more, where someone says Bowe seems like a good fit for the Ravens, then someone else reports it as a "rumor" then someone changes it on wikipedia just to be funny, then more people report this "rumor", then people start a million topics asking if the deal is dead or what, and then after the trade deadline people will probably start topics about how they let the deadline pass without improving the team or how we should have flipped all these guys to other teams that were just drooling draft picks over a 1-5 team's castoffs...

...and then a reporter dispells a rumor he started, taht too

Marcellus 10-18-2009 08:54 PM

LMAO

dirk digler 10-18-2009 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6186282)
I'm aware of that, but he was, reportedly, wearing the black ankle boot.

Plus, he would need clearence not only from the KC doctors, but also from the other team's doctor in order for that trade to happen.

Plus, it just doesn't make sense to trade away linemen, an area where they are in desperate need of players right now.

True on passing a physical. One thing we have to think about is that this team had one of its better offensive output especially running on the left side without Albert

dirk digler 10-18-2009 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186307)
Uh, no.

Cassel signed in July.

I know he signed in July but the numbers he reported on were correct which means they probably had a verbal deal

BryanBusby 10-18-2009 08:56 PM

Trying to throw more shit at the wall, hoping it sticks. They'll fetch great picks like DJ did.

Mr. Laz 10-18-2009 08:58 PM

Albert's play has certainly been disappointing this year but i can't believe that he turned to complete shit so quickly. There has to be a reason and a place for him.


it better be a #1 pick since that is what we paid for him and we already paid his signing bonus.

Coach 10-18-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6186339)
Albert's play has certainly been disappointing this year but i can't believe that he turned to complete shit so quickly. There has to be a reason and a place for him.


it better be a #1 pick since that is what we paid for him and we already paid his signing bonus.

I think several members have touched this issue. I think they mentioned it was the combination of Albert's weight loss and his diabetes or something.

Still, it's way too early to deal him or let him go. ALL young players will struggle at some point. Think of this as a 'sophmore' jinx, if you will?

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186325)
I know he signed in July but the numbers he reported on were correct which means they probably had a verbal deal

One, who gives a shit? He reported something erroneously that cost us on draft day.

Two, there are no such things as verbal agreements in the NFL.

What happens when he suffers a career-ending injury between April and July?

Think the Chiefs would still give him $63M?

wild1 10-18-2009 09:02 PM

One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6186355)
One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

QFMFT.

Coach 10-18-2009 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6186355)
One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

A very good strong possibility as well.

ChiefsCountry 10-18-2009 09:04 PM

If the idiots trade Albert and Morgan, they must be just making a statement about the Allen trade even more.

tonyetony 10-18-2009 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6186355)
One thing that I think is hurting Albert is that the play of Brian Waters is really going downhill.

Waters penalties always seem to come at the absolutely worst times.

Mr. Laz 10-18-2009 09:05 PM

O'callaghan is showing a little bit

dirk digler 10-18-2009 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186354)
One, who gives a shit? He reported something erroneously that cost us on draft day.

Two, there are no such things as verbal agreements in the NFL.

What happens when he suffers a career-ending injury between April and July?

Think the Chiefs would still give him $63M?

He didn't cost us anything the Chiefs were never going to draft a QB after trading for Cassel and everyone knew that.

My point about a verbal deal is that they probably had the contract parameters all worked out and for some reason that info was leaked.

chiefs1111 10-18-2009 09:08 PM

Does lombardi come up with this stuff while he's sitting on a toilet taking a shit or what???

ChiefsCountry 10-18-2009 09:09 PM

By the way Lombardi used to work for the Raiders.

bowener 10-18-2009 09:12 PM

Im all for keeping Albert and using his a guard for the rest of his career. I dont give a shit, I just want to have a dominant OL again, and if that means using him as LG since it appears Waters is done, well then lets ****ing do that.

RedThat 10-18-2009 09:14 PM

Imo, DJ, Morgan, Albert have shown flashes of playmaking ability but haven't done so on a consistent basis. Because of lack of consistency they don't have the potential to be great players.

So, with that being said, it wouldn't bother me if they traded either of these guys provided that they can get good value in return. That's the key. What type of value can we get? I don't think it'll hurt the team. At least they're trying to aim for improvement.

The Bad Guy 10-18-2009 09:15 PM

Morgan has shown flashes of play-making ability? When the **** did he ever do that?

dirk digler 10-18-2009 09:16 PM

April 13, 2009

The Atlanta Falcons are “seriously considering” trading for veteran Pro Bowl tight end Tony Gonzalez, according to our own Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.
http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c117...009/04/tg9.jpg
Lombardi reports that the Falcons may be willing to give up their second round draft pick (#55 overall) in order to obtain the services of Gonzalez.

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6186418)
Morgan has shown flashes of play-making ability? When the **** did he ever do that?

He hasn't been given an opportunity to show flashes of play-making ability.

Which is incredible, considering how shitty our safety play has been.

Mecca 10-18-2009 09:17 PM

It's pretty obvious they don't like Morgan, Mike Brown basically takes his pants off and shits everywhere on the field every Sunday and still gets to play.

The Bad Guy 10-18-2009 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6186422)
He hasn't been given an opportunity to show flashes of play-making ability.

Which is incredible, considering how shitty our safety play has been.

Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

OnTheWarpath15 10-18-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6186427)
Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

Oh, I know. I was just making a point, supplementing yours - not disputing it.

Coach 10-18-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6186427)
Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

Pre-season games, basically the Rams game IIRC.

RedThat 10-18-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6186427)
Redbull posted that he has shown flashes, so I'm wondering what games he's been watching where Morgan has played.

I thought he did in one of the preseason games against St. Louis I believe it was.

Tribal Warfare 10-18-2009 09:23 PM

Let's see KC is rumored to trade Bowe, Dorsey, DJ, Morgan, and now Albert.

I guess the next one on the block is The Grand Pubba just for kicks.

Deberg_1990 10-18-2009 09:24 PM

Yes, morgan flashed against guys playing in the UFL now.
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RINGLEADER 10-18-2009 09:29 PM

That Jared Allen trade just keeps looking better and better...

petegz28 10-18-2009 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6186339)
Albert's play has certainly been disappointing this year but i can't believe that he turned to complete shit so quickly. There has to be a reason and a place for him.


it better be a #1 pick since that is what we paid for him and we already paid his signing bonus.

I can believe they don't like him at the LT spot.

Chiefshrink 10-18-2009 09:39 PM

Hell, knowing how Parcells works these are probably trial balloons in the media to fire these guys up and at the same time "IF" we get some sucker team to bite we could make out like a bandit.

L.A. Chieffan 10-18-2009 09:41 PM

trade to tampa bay for their #1?:hmmm:

notorious 10-18-2009 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6186287)
by time we are ready to win albert will be too old anyway, lets get that 5th round pick

ROFL Jesus, how long do you think it will be?

RJ 10-18-2009 09:42 PM

Fine, they don't think Albert is a LT. I happen to agree. But don't trade him, move him to another position and find your LT elsewhere. Dude is a good offensive lineman.

The Bad Guy 10-18-2009 09:50 PM

At his current weight though, he's not playing guard. He's way too light. They have to beef him up considerably.

I think the spread offense really hurt his development this year.

CoMoChief 10-18-2009 09:50 PM

This would be a bad move if they traded Albert. If they dont think he's a tackle, then move him to guard and Waters to RG. Address LT in the draft or FA.

DJ needs to be on the field....PERIOD.

Mike Brown sucks...can't tackle.....again that was evident today. At least give Morgan some PT. He played well in the preseason games.

Reaper16 10-18-2009 09:50 PM

I'll believe this horseshit when I see it. Not that it would surprise me... I just like to hold out hope that Pioli is a good evaluator of talent and not just an odd-ball, eccentric one.

BigRock 10-18-2009 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6186325)
I know he signed in July but the numbers he reported on were correct which means they probably had a verbal deal

Lombardi's numbers weren't accurate. He had Cassel getting $36M guaranteed.

The whole story was a total fail on his part.

TEX 10-18-2009 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6186574)
Fine, they don't think Albert is a LT. I happen to agree. But don't trade him, move him to another position and find your LT elsewhere. Dude is a good offensive lineman.


Yep. Guard. Possibly teach him to play RT.
Boy, that J.A. trade keeps getting better all the time. :banghead:

milkman 10-18-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6186608)
This would be a bad move if they traded Albert. If they dont think he's a tackle, then move him to guard and Waters to RG. Address LT in the draft or FA.

DJ needs to be on the field....PERIOD.

Mike Brown sucks...can't tackle.....again that was evident today. At least give Morgan some PT. He played well in the preseason games.

Why does DJ need to be on the field?

So he can fail to maintain gap responsibility and give up another long run?

Reaper16 10-18-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6186606)

I think the spread offense really hurt his development this year.

You could say that, I guess. I don't think it was because of that offense but more of what the coaching was like last year. The coaches were content to let Albert coast on his natural ability (and he did very well). This year the coaches changed his body weight and are having him alter his fundamentals... the way his body moves and the way his mind and body work together have been completely changed. It is unsurprising to me that he hasn't jumped out of the gate with success.

Coach 10-18-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6186626)
Why does DJ need to be on the field?

So he can fail to maintain gap responsibility and give up another long run?

Speaking of gap responsibility, who failed to do the job where Clinton Portis went off on that play? Anybody? I can't remember, from the top of my head, who the hell blew that one.

raybec 4 10-18-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6186626)
Why does DJ need to be on the field?

So he can fail to maintain gap responsibility and give up another long run?

This, he tries to freelance too much. He needs to just do his job.

milkman 10-18-2009 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6186632)
Speaking of gap responsibility, who failed to do the job where Clinton Portis went off on that play? Anybody? I can't remember, from the top of my head, who the hell blew that one.

Mays got held.

Coach 10-18-2009 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6186636)
Mays got held.

Ah, the horse collar holding that was never called. I remember it now.

raybec 4 10-18-2009 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6186636)
Mays got held.

He and Belcher are both better than I expected.

Coach 10-18-2009 09:59 PM

Here's that holding penalty on Mays, that sprung Cliton Porktis.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...is-78-yard-run

milkman 10-18-2009 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6186651)
He and Belcher are both better than I expected.

Mays has done a nice job in run defense for the most part, but his pass coverage leaves a lot to be desired.

It will interesting to see how Belcher develops.

58kcfan89 10-18-2009 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6186656)
Here's that holding penalty on Mays, that sprung Cliton Porktis.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...is-78-yard-run

I know Mike Brown sucks & deserves every bit of crap he gets around here. But if he didn't make that tackle, Washington gets a big TD. I hate the way he plays just as much as the next guy, I'm just sayin'....

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6186661)
Mays has done a nice job in run defense for the most part, but his pass coverage leaves a lot to be desired.

It will interesting to see how Belcher develops.

I'm a big fan of Mays, but I agree. I noticed that Cooley was open quite a few times over the middle, especially early in the game, but wasn't sure if that was Mays' assignment...

kcchiefsus 10-18-2009 10:24 PM

I hate it when new regimes come in and clean house, even with good players. More often than not you see those players leave and become solid performers elsewhere. The idea that players not brought in by the current regime are not as good is bullshit. I hate this cleaning house crap. How much turnover have we had in recent years? Quite a bit. It was needed but it's time to form a foundation and build on it, not continually getting rid of all of our players.

kcpasco 10-18-2009 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6186656)
Here's that holding penalty on Mays, that sprung Cliton Porktis.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...is-78-yard-run

LOL
That was blatant

FloridaMan88 10-18-2009 10:46 PM

I'm glad Haley feels the same way I feel about Albert... he is not an NFL-caliber left tackle.

KCDC 10-18-2009 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6186574)
Fine, they don't think Albert is a LT. I happen to agree. But don't trade him, move him to another position and find your LT elsewhere. Dude is a good offensive lineman.

This. If there is one thing we cannot afford to give up at this point, it is OL of any quality. Move DJ or Morgan. I don't care. But we should be acquiring OL, not considering dealing them. If only we had taken a LT at #3, instead of Jackson, we might be looking good.


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