I read it on the internet, it must be true..
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Bowe

On October 16, Bowe was traded to the Miami Dolphins for a 2nd, 5th, and Matt Roth.


ROFL

yah saw that too. crazy

A 2nd, a 5th, and Matt Roth? Who dat?

I found it at Finheaven.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/h...we-260060.html

Good Jesus I hope not.
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print'em

**** that.

Don't worry, the Chiefs will do well in 2009 as long as they get Cassel some offensive weapo... uh... um, nevermind.

I'm gonna flip if that's true.

In 2008, Roth was moved to outside linebacker after the Dolphins shifted to the 3-4 defense. He went on to start 14 of 16 games played for the Dolphins recordng 53 tackles with five sacks.

Roth was the subject of some controversy at the beginning of training camp in 2009. According to head coach Tony Sparano, Roth failed the team's initial conditioning test due to an unknown illness. However, Roth's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, stated in a television appearance the failed test was due to a groin injury.[2] On September 5, 2009, Roth was placed on the Reserve/Non-Football-Injury list. He will not be eligible to practice or play for the first six weeks of the 2009 season. [3]

wiki can be edited by anyone....not exactly reliable but good for a starting place.

Better not be.

Miami doesn't have a 5th to trade it is already ours with the Thigpen trade. Wiki is bad at times like this.

This is not remotely true. If these guys were really that dumb I'd advocate all of us finding a new football team.

This would just be the icing on the cake.

Roth was a second round pick in 2005 FWIW...

I was thinking about you when I read this thread title.

I would probably melt down. Seriously.
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Sometimes I wonder if GM's have their public relations folks put this garbage on Wikipedia to see what the reaction is from the fan base.

Roth was drafted by the Miami Dolphins in the second round (46th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft. The team selected him with a draft pick obtained in the trade that sent cornerback Patrick Surtain to the Kansas City Chiefs.

What's funny is we think it's too little and some of those fish fans think it's too much. One said Roth and a 4th would be a better deal. :shake:

Anyway, while I don't think Bowe should be traded, I am surprised at the amount of outrage over the supposed draft pick price. No one is going to give up a 1 for Bowe, unless you can snooker Jerry Jones again. The going price for a receiver is a 2nd and another couple of picks...

WE traded for Surtain???? Sweet ........ We are set........ print'em [/Gunther]

Bowe is one of the draft picks we actually hit on. Bowe is the only proven playmaker on the offense. Bowe is a BAMF. Bowe is young.

You don't trade him.
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Can someone edit the page to make the trade for Miami's first rounders over the next 5 years, plus Ronnie Brown? :)

GM's don't care about reaction from the fan base. They care about wins and/or making money for the owner.

I dunno, from an outsider's perspective, if you're gonna rip the whole thing up and rebuild, then why not make that trade? If Roth was a 2nd and is a solid player, and they get in addition to him a 2nd and a 5th in picks, that's a decent deal. Bowe's a good WR--I mean, he did average around 1000 yards over two seasons--but it's not like he's Randy Moss or Terrell Owens in his prime. Of course, I think that trade would be a clear signal that they've officially given up on this season and are just in fire-sale draft-pick-stockpiling rebuilding mode, and that they're just gonna spend the year letting Cassel run around and get used to the offense while the team loses. But if you're only gonna win 2 to 4 games anyway... :shrug: They'd certainly take a huge PR hit and probably end up dealing with empty seats and disgruntled fans, but sometimes you really gotta tear it all down if you're gonna rebuild it...

I agree, what I'm saying is that if you did, he's not going to bring in a first rounder. Which is why I wouldn't trade him in the first place, Jared Allen being the lesson in that, unless there's something we don't know about Bowe that someone else does...

They just saw the results of Braylon Edwards for a 3rd/5th and some scrubs. Finheaven makes WPI look like geniuses.

Because you don't trade your young playmakers if you're planning on building this thing back up. You trade your players that don't factor into the future of this franchise (Gonzales).

ROFLROFL

Yeah, as a Pats fan, I'd be pretty unhappy if this trade were true. Bills improved at WR by adding Owens. Jets improved at WR by snagging Edwards from Cleveland. If the Fins improve at WR by adding Bowe... But, on the other hand, the Pats did add Joey Freakin' Galloway, so we're Super Bowl bound for sure!!!1!1 :banghead:

Two people are having a war. One of them keeps changing it to Baltimore Ravens, and the other back to Miami Dolphins.

It appears the one who was registered has been banned, and the other can't do anything because the page is protected.

Yessir.

The thing about it is that to replace the sheer talent, you're going to have to dump a first round pick.

Late round guys have been productive, but they don't have the sheer talent Bowe has. And who do we have that can replace his production? Wade? Busted-Bradley? A late round draft pick? Bowe caught on quick and was productive early, but most WRs aren't.
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I tend to agree, but there are other factors involved in a personnel decision. How much money a guy makes, how much he's slated to make, when his contract expires, if he's got a good attitude or is a locker-room distraction, if he's a consistent playmaker or inconsistent and underperforming, if he brings more in trade than his value, etc.,. And that last one is key, 'cause the one thing Pioli learned in New England is that no one is untradeable for the right price. If someone had come along and made the Pats a stupid-good deal for Tom Brady, don't think they wouldn't have taken it in a heartbeat, because Belichick and Pioli both have a long-term view of things. If Pioli feels "Bowe < a 2, a 5, and a LB" then he'll act on it.

I dont think i would be Super upset if this went down... you are getting Roth, who i think would be the best Linebacker on this team... a 2nd and a 5th,

that would put us at a high 1st, 3 2nd rounders a 3rd, a 4th and 3 5ths... that would essentially get us a Playmaking S, a LB who would start, and 3 other players on the first day... and who knows with the 5ths we could use to make our second another first...

It would suck to lose Bowe.... but im not sure this would be completely stupid...

(edit: i know we already have the dolphns 5th, but just saying, if this went to baltimore...)

The only reason I could see them even contemplating trading Bowe would be because they don't believe he's going to be a guy to build around. Granted he's physical and young and makes plays here and there, but he's also inconsistent and his dedication is still in question, and he's also been a part of a lot of losing here, so it's not like he's been the one guy making the difference between winning and losing. There are maybe a few guys who you can trade that would have value to others (Gonzo), however those guys are few and far between. You wouldn't get peanuts for LJ right now for example. So the only other way to position yourself to rebuild the roster the way you want with so many holes on the team is to trade talent for value. You do give up Bowe, but you also put yourself in a position to have four picks in the top two rounds in the draft and you get a good linebacker.

Again, I don't think you trade playmakers, because you really have to make sure you hit on every one of your draft picks, but what I think doesn't matter. If the coaches don't like Bowe and the front office wants to build a team from scratch, they'll probably deal him if they can. Same goes for DJ...

I seriously don't see how a team can replace Bowe's producticity with a 2 and 5.
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A second a fifth and a young LB who was a 2nd round pick, and probably better than any LB we have here?

Completely agree with this take :clap:

How do you replace Gonzo's productivity with a 2nd... you cant, you get good value, you move on...

And guess what....then we end up having to take a WR in the first 2 rounds this year. Which makes them our #1 receiver...and we're back in the same situation we are right now. We'd only have ONE good WR on the team. There are other players on this team that need to be traded for picks before we even think about Bowe.

Now....don't get me wrong. If someone came along and offered a 1st for Bowe.....then I'd have to think about it. But no one is going to do that.

Yeah. Better than bad does not equal good [/htismaque]

I would be excited about Roth. But I don't think you're going to get a talent like Bowe in round 2. Even then, there is an even lower probability that he will be able to produce as quickly as Bowe did. So you want to get a guy that hits his stride in 2011 or 2012? Meanwhile for two ****ing years opposing defenses have to double team BOBBY ****ING WADE? Or what? We going to dump a Top 10 pick on Bouldin? Are we gonna get a 30 something washed up guy?

IF AND ONLY IF they turn both of those picks into starters and Roth stays healthy and productive would it be close to paying off. The probability of these the above situation coming to fruition is very small.
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I understand your take, I would love to keep bowe, but i guess i wouldnt be mad with either scenario..

Gonzo had 2 more productive years. Bowe conceivably has 8 or 10.
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I agree with your take as well, i dont think Roth is horrible though, i think he would be a starting LB in most Defenses...

That's fair. I don't know anything about him. Unless he's a worldbeater (in which I probably would have heard of him), I still don't take the deal.
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http://marcmwm.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/roth3.jpg

Hi I would like to be your new Jared Allen

http://www.mattroth98.com/
http://iplextra.indiatimes.com/artic...rancisco+49ers

So any news on this? - Anything on fin heaven, i cant get on...

It's BS. It was just wikipedia vandalism.

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Nothing to see. The folks at Finhaven also point out that Roth can't officially be traded until he is activated, which can't happen until after week 6...

It's probably Pioli hacking Wiki, trying to get the Ravens to sweeten the pot. :)

I tried. Its locked.

The problem is you H A V E to hit on those picks...and that's a 50/50 shot at best to even make the trade even.

This reasoning above is exactly how people spun the Jared Allen trade. Look where that got us.
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Yep, Pollard was a second rounder.

Carl very rarely hit on any second rounders.

I agree, having a boatload of picks can either be the path to building a championship team, or if you have poor talent evaluators, the path towards what we are seeing with the Chiefs today. Take the Raiders, they should have been able to build on what was already a Super Bowl team with the draft picks they got back for Jon Gruden. Instead, they pissed their picks away and fell into obscurity.

But if you hit on your picks, think Dallas Cowboys or San Francisco 49ers of the 80's and 90's...

The problem is you H A V E to hit on those picks...and that's a 50/50 shot at best to even make the trade even.

This reasoning above is exactly how people spun the Jared Allen trade. Look where that got us.
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come on this was gold