Why are so many Chiefs fans against drafting a 1st round QB?
 

What is it??

Did Steve Fuller and Todd Blackledge ruin your childhood??

Let it go people. Its time....

You can't fix stupid, that's why.

I'm not against it. As a matter of fact, I'm all for it.

We have stupid fans who have been brainwashed by 20 years of CP's Commitment to Cowardice.

Really? This conversation again....?

I think a better question would be "Why are so many Chiefs fans willing to argue incessantly over something they have absolutely no control over?".

I'd be for it if there were a legit stud available. I'm not sold on Sanchez or Stafford as a top 3 pick. Now, if we were to trade down to the lower part of the top 10, pick up another first round or high second round pick and still get one of them, that might be a different story.

We dont need a QB, we have Tyler "CFL" Thigpen.

I'm all for it. If he flames out just call it a "Sims Moment" and move on.

Chiefs fans have no spine.

Well, I'm not one of them, but I think the argument has been concern about investing top 5 money in a position that has a high degree of risk (very few QBs, regardless of draft position, actually merit top 5 money).

I'm not sure why they would be so concerned with Clark Hunts' money, but there you go. :shrug:

"I'd be for it if I could know the future."

Give me a QB with a better set of physical skills than Matt Stafford who also has 3 years of starting experience in the toughest conference in the country who has come out in the last 5 years.

1.

The people who don't want to draft a QB are an overwhelming minority on this board.

The fanbase isn't stupid. Quit acting like it is.

You realize people say that every year?

attention whoring
out weighs perception

That might be some of it. IM not sure if alot of these guys honestly believe this crap they are spewing or do they do it just to bring out Mecca from hiding??

Kevin Kietzman was actually very funny when talking about this same subject today with Jack Harry.

KK was asking callers what the most important position on the field was. Predictably, some responded, "Offensive line."

To this, he tried to force some schmuck to say, "I'd rather have Will Shields than Peyton Manning." KK kept insisting, "Come on! It will be therapeutic!"

Jack "I'm not much different from Nick "Assclown" Athan" rushes in with the claim that Manning's line was much better when Manning was drafted.

KK: "Name all the HOF linemen on the Colts."

*crickets* and then a slight shift in the conversation.

KK: "Knowing what you do now, if you had to start a franchise today, would you take P. Manning or Derrick Thomas? Knowing what you do now..."

Harry: "uhhuhhuhhuuhhhuuhhhh *frantically searches for the ASSCLOWN'S number*uuhhhh, DT! Pass rushers are harder to find than quarterbacks. You can always find a decent quarterback!"

Un****ingbelievable. Yeah, those franchise quarterbacks fall of ****ing trees.

It was a beautiful exchange and solidified Jack Harry's dumbassery.

If you and Mecca are dating, just let us know. We don't hate people of "your kind."

Wow.....just wow.

Yep. That's it in a nutshell.

I love how those same people seem to think that hitting on a QB in the 1st round is like winning the lottery where as drafting say a D-linemen is pretty much a sure thing. :spank:

I want to see the answers to this

Ken Dorsey? Is that 5 years?

(concerning the minority of people who don't want a QB) I don't think that is true. For example, I just checked a poll of whether or not the Lions should take Stafford with the first pick. The poll was about 50/50. Over 40,000 people voted. That wasn't for the Chiefs fan base, but many fans don't consider this decision a "no-brainer".

What I've seen is that one or two fans will say something like, "we should draft Aaron Curry at 3rd overall." The rest of the fans then flip a shit and act like they're in a fight for their lives when in reality it's just one or two people they're arguing against.

Because both Stafford and Sanchez suck, maybe?

1) Do go **** yourself.

2) You don't want a QB either? See #1.

eat a bag of shit

no wait

eat a bag of Mark Sanchez's shit

no wait

eat a bag of Mark Sanchez's shit and wash it down with some antifreeze

no wait

eat a bag of Mark Sanchez's shit and wash it down with some antifreeze as you jump and die in a fire.

what if we simply like the defensive players more than Sanchez? I like Rey Maualuga and I like Everette Brown. I also like Michael Johnson. I guess my ideal scenario would be to trade down in the first and take Rey and then trade up from the pick in the 2nd to late first round and take Michael Johnson. I know. I'm one of those crazy people that thinks it is possible to trade down. What am I thinking? Don't I know that it has never been done before...... oh... that's right.... it has been done before. would it be difficult??? probably. but it is possible. would our the players get less money? yes. would they have a better chance of getting to camp on time? definitely.

At least it would be a QUALITY bag of shit that prior to death could impart more football knowledge to my brain in my last moments of consciousness than YOU could in 20 years, yes?

Quite so.

For the ones that are against it, they just dont see someone worth the #3 pick. Stafford will likely be gone and Sanchez could have just been a one year wonder. He played in a USC offense that is great year in and year out. The only successful qbs from USC right now are either injured or used to be a backup in college. This is a weak year for qbs.

I'm on the fence on this. I'd really like a franchise qb but to me, Stafford is the only one worthy of our pick. He's been a longer starter and is more consistent. And seeing as how the last few USC draft picks have turned out for the worse, I'm weary on Sanchez. For some reason unknown to us, these players thrive at USC but then turn average once they get to the NFL. The best one is Reggie Bush and he's not even an every down back. The back ups have done better than the starters so far(Cassel and L. White)

I'll be totally for getting Sanchez if Pioli and the new HC thinks he's worthy of the pick, but if he isn't picked, I wont be mad at all.

Who is Steve Fuller?

Shouldn't we invest in fixing our miserable D?

Let's look at why we lost games last year. When we finally turned things around in offense, it was our D that did not protect our lead. It was not able to get us the ball when we needed it. Tyler did a decent job and he should be given a chance to continue proving himself.

He runs, he takes hits and we have seen him improve substantially. His mistakes were those of rookie's mistakes. He will get over them and he has nothing but to improve.

Another reason why everyone in here is raving about getting a QB is that many of the guys in here were impressed by how Flacco and Ryan did this year and they want a similar case which is very unreasonable because Flacco had a good D (he is an average QB at best, another Trent Diffler) and Ryan who is actually a good QB (note that he is a senior when he entered the NFL) and no one in the current draft is nearly as good as him.

The one I like is Sanchez and his coach came against him and said that he is not read. No one knows him better than his coach and he said that Sanchez should stay.

Flame me.

Part of it is people have no ****ing clue how important having a franchise QB is, and part of it is that people don't understand positional value when it comes to the draft.

Why is it so hard for some Chiefs fans to realize that not all Chiefs fans believe this years crop of 1st round QB choices is not that appealing to other Chiefs fans?

Just because I am not sold on drafting a QB at #3 this year because I don't believe either QB is worthy of that pick doesn't mean I am against a 1st round QB. I would have taken Brady Quinn 2 years ago in a heart beat even if we had to trade up.

Why do some Chiefs fans beleiev you have to take a QB at #3 no matter who it is? That's insane.

I will take whatever Pioli chooses and deal with it. I trust he knows better than this board and if he takes a QB at #3 I will say I was was wrong.

Bingo, bango. Few have actually said the Chiefs shouldn't draft a QB. The prevailing point is that if you spend a #3 pick on a QB, he better be graded as a top 5 QB. You don't walk into a pick with tunnelvision.

This. The real question is why do some Chiefs fans believe that Stafford (who will be gone) or Sanchez are the franchise QB?

This reminds me so much of the 2007 Draft debate. WR or LT. It was a great year for WR's, but we had the people jumping up and down for Joe Freakin Staley. We told people then that LT had a bumper crop in 2008 and WR would be down. And behold look what happened in 2008 Draft. Ton of good LT's and not a single WR was took in the first. Now in 2009, we have a shot a legit franchise QB in Stafford or Sanchez. Defense players arent that highly regarded, but the 2010 draft is loaded across the board with defense playmakers and the QB's are of the spread variety. This isnt a one year lets get back to the playoffs rebuild, this for the next decade to be Super Bowl champs.

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I dont care who they draft. Pick whoever they think will help this team win. I just hope whoever it is they draft they nail it.

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BEWARE THE DREADED MIRROR!!!:whackit:

We got rid of Gunther, that should help a lot.

it's because they are so freakin sure that they are smarter than everyone else that their judgement of this year's QB crop is correct ..... everyone else must be an idiot.

they say it about every other post

"you're stupid"
"you're an idiot"
"nobody else is smart enough to know how important a QB is"
"i'm smart, everyone else is just 'scared' "
"you can't fix stupid.."

blah,blah,blah

i'm not necessarily against drafting a QB ... if pioli thinks he wants Stafford etc, i'm fine....

but i sure am sick of this group of arrogant muther fuggers running around dog piling on anyone that doesn't spout their "approved message"


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Pretty sure you can.

I'm willing to give Thiggy one more season, I'm holding out for McCoy. We should fix the O-line first, then put the franchise QB in place. What is 1 more year with out a franchise QB? Its not like we are going to make the playoffs next season.

At first I agreed with your post, coz I'd like to have more picks (with Pioli drafting) and a stud QB. But, then I realized if a stud QB is sitting there at #3, then the team moving up will be doing it to take him and we don't get him. Also, if the QB falls down in the draft it will mean that most teams don't consider them a stud and he may not be. So, I'll revert back to my "I'll trust Pioli."

I've said it before, I trust Pioli. I wouldn't pretend to tell him how to draft coz I don't know real talent from the over hyped. If he thinks a real QB is there we draft him, and I'll be pleased either way.

But, if there is a QBOTF, I think we should take him. As a side note: it's better to pay a QB the #3 pick money than another position. But, mainly because I feel a Peyton/Brady/Farve/Montana type of leader/QB would be the most important part of the puzzle of building a team. Yes, average QB's can lead a team (even to a SB), but great QB's makes it a whole lot easier. But, I think Pioli will know all of that.

Laz- once again you've COMPLETELY missed the point.

This whole debate has NOTHING to do with judgment of potential.

The Golden Rule of the draft: You don't pass on a potential franchise QB if you don't currently have one.

1) We don't have one.

2) Stafford and Sanchez are both universally considered POTENTIAL franchise QB's.


If Pioli were to draft one and they fail, so be it. Then you do what every other team does in that situation:

You draft another the first chance you get.

Just like the Bengals did after Aliki Smith busted.

Just like the Ravens did after Kyle Boller busted.

Just like the Falcons did after Mike Vick GOT busted.

And so on, and so on, and so on...

Can't....breathe.....send.....help............

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adjective [attrib.]

You currently suck. You might be good sometime in the future:
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I don't get this ... "let's wait until next year to draft a QB?" Just how do we draft a QB next year? Are you saying that Pioli and our new coach will be as bad as Carl/Herm and we will only win 2 games? You have to draft high in order to get a "franchise QB." I think we will win several games and will not have a chance at a QBOTF. So, if we get a chance and 1 of the top 2 is worth and sitting there for us, we should select him and build the O-line this year and next year.

But, from where I sit, I'd rather have either Stanford or Sanchez over McCoy. Not impressed with McCoy.

I don't know. It could be the fact that people have said Stafford would be worthy of a #1 overall selection since he was 16 goddamned years old, and he's done nothing but live up to that hype. Sanchez was the #1 recruit in the entire country, like Stafford, was in school for four years, and when he played, he was dominant.

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Never did I say the Chiefs are going to be a 2 win team next season, but we should be drafting in the top 10-15 next season. And how the hell can't you be impressed with some one like McCoy? The guy only completed 77% of his passes. Plus he could end of being the 3rd rated QB next season, with Bradford and Teabow more then likely coming out next season. Plus McCoy isn't throwing to 4 and 5 star recruits like Sanchez does at USC.

Have you seen Stafford or Sanchez even play?

Joe Staley they ain't.

:spock:

Come on, now. Let's be intellectually honest. This isn't DC.

I've been hoping the Chiefs would get Teabagged for a long time now.

Perhaps others have seen me wax Lombardi about the 10 OL formations?

Uh, McCoy plays in the spread.

Sanchez and Stafford play in Pro-Style offenses.

McCoy will have a HUGE learning curve and will need to learn how to effectively play under center.

Furthermore, please explain how Texas, year in and year out, is in the top 5 of recruiting, but their receivers aren't as good as those at Georgia & USC.

That doesn't make any sense.

I think you missed his point.

Never pass on a potential franchise QB.

McCoy is 165 lbs. Dripping wet.

Why do I believe Stafford and Sanchez are franchise guys. I will tell you why. I was not on the Stafford bandwagon at all to start the year. His sophomore year did not impress me at all. I wanted Bradford instead. It was after the 3rd game of the season against South Carolina, I made a vow to watch him and see if my opinion would change. It did. I watched every single stinking Georgia Bulldog game from then on out. He was impressive. He has the arm, the size, the leadership skills. Georgia was also very young up front and at receiver. Stafford led that team. It was his team. Yes Florida and Alabama beat them bad, but it was that Bama game where I really liked him. They were done and out and led a respectful comeback against the Tide. Stafford just reminds me of how Elway used to play.

Now to Sanchez, most of us thought he wouldnt come out but he was the one everybody had pegged for the top guy in 2010. I watched a ton of USC games mainly to look at their defense guys which is where that team was stacked not offense. I saw a guy who was the leader of that team. USC's line wasnt very good. He got nailed in the grill alot, but his biggest plays were when he was flushed from the pocket and made a strike. He has the arm, the swagger, the smarts you want from a franchise QB. Troy Aikman is who he reminds me of.

If one is there take him ... if not DE-OL-LB-etc all need help ...

He also has the potential to put his foot your ass, whelp!

Are there seriously people who say that we shouldn't draft a quarterback, aside from some people who might like Thigpen?

I think some folks have created a myth that others don't want a quarterback just because they didn't want to tank games this season. I doubt that there are many people at all who don't see the value of a quarterback.

I'm and idiot leave me alone. But I'd still rather have McCoy over Sanchez or Stafford.

1. McCoy
2. Stafford
3. Sanchez

They're called "No QB in round 1 unless he's a 'lock'" folks. But they're all for a QB in rounds 4-7.

Good luck finding that "lock."

That really wasnt my point. My point is to take the talent where its the highest value ie WR in 07, LT in 08, QB in 09, Defense in 10.

McCoy is listed at 6'3 215!

Ok. So I am guilty of hyperbole.

175.

Croyle 2.0.

Oops:redface:

Help....I've....fallen.....and.....can't..............................................uh............ ..............

Without reading all the posts, and in no particular order:

1) disbelief that this organisation can actually draft the right one
2) we have many holes to fill
3) we have an impatient fan-base that is at its wit's end, and most QBs take a year (or two or three) to develop. Many couldn't handle that.
4) Matt Ryan was in last year's draft
5) Todd Blackledge
6) We had THE WORST PASS RUSH IN NFL HISTORY in 2008. Don't we need a DE?
7) Is any of the QBs in this year's draft actually worthy of the 3rd overall pick?
8) Many early 1st round QBs are colossal busts (Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, David Klingler, Andre Ware, our very own Todd Blackledge etc.). Are we not safer picking a DE or other position of need?
9) Picking the wrong QB can really set the franchise back, more than a bad pick at other positions
10) Todd Blackledge
11) See #1

Personally I'm just looking forward to seeing who we pick, and what position. We have a new GM with a track record of success. I'm not going to second guess him until he proves he deserves it. Be it Sanchez, Stafford, Orakpo, whoever, let's hope we're beginning to return to being competitive.

Maybe he was dripping in gravy.

What I got from his post was that Sanchez and Stafford weren't potential franchise QB material.

Holy Jesus.

That reads like a True Fan Manifesto.

But then you read this, right?

Is that a picture of Nick Athan in your avy?

I've never had the pleasure of his visage.

Why yes.

Yes it is.

Here's a better picture:

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That's a mis-statement.

Most people claim that they would have no problem taking Sanchez or Stafford if they are there at #3 and they are given a top 5 grade.

If Pioli gives him only a barely top 10 grade, then taking him at #3 is an enormous reach.

Few have said that a player must be a lock at QB to be a top 3 pick.