Is Larry Fitzgerald the best WR in the NFL?
 

They are posing this question on CBS pregame...

I say most definitely.

Larry Fitzgerald has such amazing body control...I wouldn't take anyone over Fitz...he plays the game how it should be played, and he's a freak.

I almost posted this thread the other day. Yes he is.

What a stupid question.

Without a doubt.

He can hold Boldin's jock

I think it's Jeff Webb. He is great.

He's awesome, but I can't believe how Warner is able to just lock onto him the whole game and get away with it. People should be jumping those routes. They finally did once toward the end of the game last night, but it was too little too late.

Bill Cowher said he would not jump LF over Andre Johnson.

Blow me, dude.

Randy Moss and Andre Johnson beg to differ...this is a stupid question?

Why don't you suck a dick...I don't know what it is around here about posters like you that think their opinion is so much better and valid than everyone else.

Christ. We have some angry, angry, angry people on this board.

He's great. I don't know if you can really put him above Randy Moss though.

Toss up between him and Andre Johnson.

that TD Fitz had was awesome...and he ALWAYS gets the ball at its highest point. He's a pleasure to watch...that guy is not only the best WR, IMO, but he's a top 5 football player.

Just by raw talent I would say Moss is better. Unfortunately Moss's character issues reduces his stock quite a bit so I'd take LF for sure.

Moss has better big play potential but I don't think he has better hands, I don't think he runs better routes, and he most certainly isn't as dedicated to the 'little' things...

But yeah, arguments can easily be made for Fitz, Andre Johnson and Randy Moss...maybe Terrell Owens as well. Those have to be the elite four...and no one else really comes close to their tier.

Like angrier then you? Can't be any dumber then you I'll give you that.

Well, you're entitled to think that I'm dumb but if you're going to mock me, at least realize the difference between then and than.

I just can't believe you didn't make an argument for Huard to be the best WR in the NFL.

This year, yes.

There is no one with better hands or body control...the ball touches him he's gonna get it.

I think it goes:

1. D. Bowe
2. Mark Bradley
3a Larry Fitsjarold
3b Will Franklin

Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith... Then everybody else is a big step down

Blah blah blah.

I challenge anyone to find a post made be me on this site where I called Huard anything more than an average NFL QB.

Good luck.

If you replace the word "Angry" with "Stupid", we'd be in total agreement.

And yes, Fitzgerald is the best WR in the NFL by far.

That you were/are in love with.

TO is the best, just ask him.

I'd take Moss over Smith, I'm not a fan of angry midgets.

You're uninformed.

I wanted Huard to start last season (2007) and pave way for Croyle when we started 1-3 and then saw a 7 of 9 game stretch of games at Arrowhead.

I thought that was a great blueprint for success for a young QB (Croyle)...

Well we started 4-3 (2-0 in the West, both road games) and were, IMO, favorites to win the West at that point (2-0 in division ROAD games...in a weak division...)

And then the shit hit the fan, LJ got hurt, Favre Favre'd us at Arrowhead in a game we should have won, and the wheels fell off and then we turned to Croyle and got a glimpse of what was to come this season...

But this whole Huard bullshit that follows me around is legend.

I never said he was a good QB, all I said was he was our best chance to win...at that position. And that was 100% truth.

Why are we talking about Damon Huard?

Unrequited love

On talent alone, he (Moss) is one of the best.

But I want no part of that bastard.

He does have anger issues, but he plays with a fire that not many can match... And when you talk about being dangerous after the catch, he's better than the other two.

I think its Fitz and Johnson, but what about Reggie Wayne? No one's mentioned him yet. And the of course you have Moss, Steve Smith, Marshall, Boldin, and then guys like Jennings, Welker, Roddy White, Owens, Santana Moss, even Calvin and D Bowe.

Because there are a band of douche bags that follow me around and belittle me with Huard bullshit...

Huard bullshit that is usually totally untrue...

If the question is who would I rather have on the Chiefs, then it's definitely Fitzgerald. If you asked me who was the best, it'd probably be Moss. I don't think there's another WR who makes his QB better like Moss does. He pretty much revived both Cunningham and Jeff George's career, made Culpepper an MVP candidate, and definitely helped Cassel get himself a nice paycheck somewhere next year.

See, this is a great point.

I'd definitely love to have Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald on the Chiefs...Moss is a little too old now...but these three guys are definitely top tier...with Owens taking a step back this year, IMO.

No offense or anything but Dwyane Bowe can't even sniff Calvin Johnson right now.

Yeah, Calvin Johnson will be in there too. That guy is a freak. Fitzgerald has better hands though.

Oh, yeah...didn't even think about him. He has Randy Moss big play potential...with a better head on his shoulders.

Hopefully that organization straightens out for his sake.

Truth.

Bowe needs to work on his hands...I think that's easily fixable and I also think Bowe has the desire to improve, which is a plus.

Moss runs a good deep route and is a great candidate for the endzone fade route. I'd give him a 9.5/10 on those things, but about a 3/10 on all the other things that wide receiver's do.

Just my personal opinion.

# 1 - Larry Fitzgerald
# 2 - Andre Johnson
# 3 - Steve Smith

and not too far behind ... Calvin Johnson. I think he has the tools to be the best in a year or two.

Too bad he plays for a shit team.

9.5 is pretty leniant. I'd give him a 12. He may be the best deep threat WR in the history of the NFL.

so hard to judge.....

best body control
best hands
not the best speed
not the quickest

some could say he wouldn't have to make all those outstanding catches if he was faster.


he's definitely one of the best

I'm a little curious to see what he'd do with a real QB behind center, but he may never get that chance. Kind of amazing that he's basically a 1000-yard receiver twice now, despite getting passes from Croyle, Huard and Thigpen, and with no outside threat opposite him.

Year 3 should be interesting.

gonzo helps, but you're right.

His attitude should not matter. HE's asking about the WR, not the person.

I think Fitz is probably the best right now though. He can do it all.

attitude doesn't matter UNLESS that attitude effects his play on the field .... which it does for Moss.

when your attitude makes you "play when you want, not play when you want" if effects your WR rating imo

Yeah, gonzo definitely does help. The lack of a running game has to hurt, too, although they were markedly better this year than last. He and Gonzo are the only real offensive threats, although I like the looks of Charles.

I wonder how much of an issue that's been with Moss since arriving in New England.

Just imagine a guy with his talent and Jerry Rice's work ethic...

Nothing angry about it.

He's the best, and you're calling me angry for agreeing with you...

It's really not even close, IMO.

Not close? Calvin Johnson is incredible on a horrendous team, with no stable QB. The guy is 6'5 230+ and only in his second year. How he didn't get in to the Pro Bowl is beyond me. I'd say give me Calvin Johnson with Fitzgerald a close second.

I almost posted this exact thread earlier.


Yes hands down Fitz is the best in todays NFL.

It's not really an either/or question. Randy Moss makes it more complex than that. If you put Randy Moss with a very good to great QB, he's the best WR in the league bar none. No one changes a game from the outside like Randy Moss. He makes it easier for everyone on offense.

If you don't have a great QB though, I would take Fitzgerald. And Owens doesn't belong anywhere near this discussion anymore. He has lost several steps.

1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Randy Moss
3. Andre Johnson
4. Steve Smith
5. Calvin Johnson

Definitely.

I'd like to see what Braylon could do with a talented QB. Even with DA behind center, more than a few times I was like "wow". I guess you'd call him a poor mans Larry.

Braylon has the talent, I'm not sure he has the head.

He seems to lack focus in catching the ball, and lacks discipline in his route running.

If he ever decided to bear down and work as hard as the other top guys, he'd be a top guy, IMO.

He has potential, I guess that's what I was gettin' at.

There was a fascinating interview on KFAN 1440 AM in Minneapolis.

Michelle Tafoya was interviewing Chris Carter, and Chris talked about how he has worked with Fitzgerald and sort of taken him under his wing.

Once I heard that, I could absolutely see it in his game, body control, yes. But mostly the way fitzgerald never ****ing ever drops a catchable ball, his mental focus is second to none.

THAT is why he's the best, even over the physical freaks that are more impressive like TO, CalJohn and Boldin.

TO isnt even close to the caliber of player as Fitz, 'Dre, and Moss.

To answer the question though, yes I think Fitz is the best WR, followed closely by Andre Johnson. I cant even put Moss up there with them two because of his work ethic.

The thing that's amazing about Fitzgerald is that he's been making plays while in well-played double coverage. When you have a guy who consistently draws double coverage, that puts the rest of your offense in a 10 on 9 situation. When you have a guy who can still make plays against the two guys covering him, that changes the equation even more.

I'm not sure if he's better than a motivated Randy Moss, but Randy Moss isn't motivated 16 games a year. For the sake of the game, it's a shame that Moss doesn't have a good work ethic.

See I was thinking.. What he would do if he would not drop so many ****ing easy balls or onside kicks..

Tough question. Johnson or Fitz hmmmmm. I would have to go with Fitz by a very small margin.

LaFitz is the modern day Lynn Swann

You forgot Steve Smith. He punches people and it brings his teams together. And you have to say that he's better because of his lack of height. But right now, it's Andre Johnson, Larry Fitz, and Steve Smith in my book.

No one else is even in his league for ability nor effort.


Dbowe should go spend the summer with #11 and a Jugs machine.

He fumbled that onside kick. Also, his drops are iffy. Look who was throwing to him. I think he makes up for it easily. He's not even our number 1 threat, and he got the millennium mark.

Moss has big play ability, but he loses ground quickly for the plays he takes off, his lack of downfield blocking and his effort.

Andre Johnson is the closest contender...he's pretty damn awsome too.

You do understand what Calvin Johnson is doing on an even worse team yes?

Fitz doesn't get quite enough separation for me to be able to call him the absolute best, at least without question. Many of those body control catches area result of guys hanging all over him b/c he wasn't able to separate.

I like Andre Johnson just a little more, but Fitz isn't far behind at all.

I can't argue with Fitzgerald as the best but I think Steve Smith is right there with him. It seems like the guy has had 2 or 3 absolutely insane catches this year in the 4th quater that were pivotal to his team winning that game. All around Fitzgerald is probably the best but I'm in awe of Smith's playmaking ability

Fitzgerald and Johnson have receivers across from them(Boldin/Breaston for the Cards and Walter/Daniels for the Texans) to take away some of the coverage. Smith only has Muhammad, but he was near the 1000 yard mark, plus he's paired with one hell of a running game. Now, Calvin Johnson has NOBODY to draw coverage away from him. A Delhomme,Warner or Schaub sounds a whole lot better than a Orlovsky/Stanton/Culpepper combo.

Somebody has to catch the ball for Detroit. And you pretty much have to throw all the damn time if you lose sixteen games in a row. Calvin Johnson may end up being in the same category as Fitzgerald, Moss and co, but not right now. If you go 0-16 you deserve what you get.

Correct.
 

I can't find the quote from the article this year from Lito Sheppard of the Eagles.

Lito said you can debate who is the best but in his & some of the fellow db's around say Randy Moss is the most feared in the NFL.

He said "It's kind of like when Barry Sanders played. He's the guy that can embarrass you the most. Either by just running by a corner & outjumping a safety or just outrunning the corner & safety all together in a Cover 2."

I will never forget that quote. The best complement you can ever get.

As the poster said before. He's not just a deep threat. He's the best deep threat in the HISTORY of th NFL hands down.

No offense to you, but youre just acting like a dick.

He asked a really simple and good question and you make him seem like a dumbass for it.

That wasn't a stupid question btw...Its really a tough call between guys like him and Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson and others.

I think so.. Boldin is no slouch either.. :doh!:

You're right. Somebody does have to catch the ball. Which makes it even more amazing, considering he gets double/triple teamed almost 90% of the time. And what does losing 16 games have to do with passing all the time? It's not like the Lions go in to every game down by 2 touchdowns. If Detroit had any sort of defense, they would have won just as many games as the Chiefs this year. No matter the record, a great player still deserves the recognition. Not only Calvin, but the rookie Kevin Smith had a fantastic year too. The Lions should be decent next year.

Yes, hands down. Ward for the Steelers is a close second.

I think he would be now but not based on his physical gifts, which I think are far below a TO or Mandy Ross.

Nein, he's amazing at what matters.

He catches the ****ing football. ALWAYS. Single or double covered. Zone or man. He comes down with the ball...

:spock:

I like hines ward, but he's MAYBE some part in the second half of the top ten. I guess, if forced, I'd put it something like this:

1) andre johnson
2) larry fitzgerald
3) randy moss
4) steve smith
5) terrell owens
6) anquan boldin
7) charles johnson
8) reggie wayne
9) torry holt
10) hines ward (although the homer in me wants to put bowe here)

Moss doesn't belong in the top 10.

If we're talking physical gifts, talent, sure. But everyone else on that list blocks, catches, and cares...