Who replaces Gunther
 

Regardless of if Herm is still here "which I believe is highly unlikely". Who would you like to see as Gunther's replacement?

Gunther stays forever. No ifs ands or buts

Gunther Cunningham is Kansas City Chiefs football.

And if you don't agree, Gunther will ****in let you know about it.

He eats thunder and craps lightning.

Shouldn't be too hard to replace the 32 defense.

LOL... That may be true, but no way is he here next year. Just no chance. A new coach will replace him and Herm would throw him under the planet.

There appears to be about forty eleven people on this board who seem to know something about it....pick one.

I always thought they shoulda kept DV as HC and brought Herm in as DC/assistant HC. Water under the bridge now...

So, just try and lure any of the top 5 DC's in the league now. But right now it's a moot point since Pioli or whoever will bring their guy in just like the rest of his new cabinet members.

Dear God....that would have been horrible.

#1 offense in the league with a competent DC to at least make it to average on defense?

Yeah, thank God that didn't happen.

Competent DC? Our defense has gotten worse over the years that he's been here. FFS people.

Plus DV would've traded all of our good draft picks for old veterans to play in his offense. And the people we did draft.....would've been sitting on the bench.

Romeo Crennel
Mike Nolan

Herm has never been a DC, so where you're getting the idea that he'd be good at it is a mystery.

The Travelocity Gnome

Dallas's current HC.

Romeo Crennel - NO!!
Mike Nolan - Maybe.

**** family fun night

people assume since he played defense that he will be good at coaching defense.

he seems to have a knack for cornerbacks if he's time here is any indication.

How's about a young guy like Tampa's Raheem Morris?

look at what Gailey did with tablescraps

Herm has to fire Gunther...

You damn right. **** FAMILY FUN NIGHT.

We have a winner or someone from the ravens, steelers, giants or eagles.

Ang

Why don't you guys go to Arrowhead and tell it to his face?

You might mention Kendrell Bell while you're there....

IS there any young and upcoming asst to eagles DC Jim Johnson?

If Herm goes into next year as a lame duck coach, no one worth a shit will want to come work for a year and done. If Herm comes back, I bet it with all the same coaches. I don't see any way Herm is here though.

I hope he doesn't get the chance.

Gunther stays, he hasn't been able to unleash the dogs yet.

Herm just doesn't let him.

Herm can't fire Gunther
Herm doesn't have the internet

FYP :D

even better

Actually I do believe that the General Manager can fire whoever he wants whether its Gun or any other assistant coach as well as being able to fire the HC.

Me I wouldnt mind having Romeo Crennel for DC. He's a good DC better than Gun.

me too...but i'm preparing to be disappointed

I have no clue as to why some posters on here say that Herm will be gone. He has the backing of Clark Hunt, and has done a good job collecting young talent. I am of the opinion that Herm was in a no-win situation with the shit he took over, and is finally starting to get his own players in the mix. Why change now? I think it sets us back, especially when a new coach isn't going to want to stay with Gailey.

He is bound to be good at something, that might be it.

He's good at under bus throwing.

This is exactly the reason I think Herm is gone, it just wouldn't make sense with the rest of the pieces of the puzzle to keep him.

Haven't you heard? Gun is a legend. A Kansas City Icon.

THE GUN!!!!!!111one

Fire the Gunn. Hire the DC from Texas U, LSU, or USC. After the new GM fires Herm, he'll hire Cowher, and Cowher gets to spend 4 months to teach his defense. The only guy worth keeping is Gailey.

Its pretty hard to tell who the DC will be before you know who the GM and HC is.

Yeah, that tune is starting to get old, probably to even the most casual observer.

He has a TOTAL of 15 wins in THREE SEASONS. He has the 32nd ranked defense. His clock management is pathetic. A competent GM will never hitch their wagon to that type of coaching. What can you dispute out of that?

he runs a 3-4 dont count on it.

Gunther is Chiefs football.

can we lock the freakin thread?

He made the playoffs his first season. By all accounts, Herm wanted to dismantle the team the following year, but Carl Peterson over-ruled him, and wanted to scotch tape the team together for one more run. (which failed). This year was a rebuilding year. Nobody including Clark Hunt thought KC was going to be a contender.

Now I'm not saying that Herm Edwards is the second coming, but let's give the guy a shot to win with his players, his way. Either that, or let's be like the Washington Redskins, and hire a new coach every 2-3 years, and never get anywhere.

Your looking for the quick fix, and there isn't one.

He's been GIVEN three years. His defense has REGRESSED. We gave up a draft pick, so he could FIX the defense and he hasn't. He firmly hitched his wagon to Mr. Bust, himself, Croyle. His FIX for the O-line has consisted of Damion McIntosh and Kyle Turley as the SOLUTIONS. His epic scouting consists of players like Jeff Webb throughout our entire roster. How exactly is the team getting BETTER under his watch? More youth doesn't equate to more progress. Herm is a bust in Kansas City. Failure after failure, after failure with that man.

are reading the posts you quote, or just skimming over them and then spitting out more garble about Herm's three years? He came in and inherieted a team, it backed into the playoffs. Last year he wanted to do what he did this year, get rid of alot of the old timers and get some fresh young players to build upon. Last year was for carl, IMO - one more chance to complete his "five year" plan. turley wasn't what Herm wanted, he's what Carl wanted.
This year they dismantled the team and started building youth. Herm got what he wanted, he sold the change of philosophy to Clark and NOW CARL IS GONE. The team, particularly the defense endured alot of injuries. Hard to stay on schedule when you have to keep changing planes/trains.

Just looking for the silver lining.....

Because he's a horrible coach.
He's a horrible coach with marginal players, he'd be a horrible coach with better players.

He's horrible.

Horrible.

I hope it is not someone that has done it before, so Herm can "teach" him. Like he did with Solari. Then the D will be even worse, and Herm's employment can be DELETED. That's if Herm stays of course.

I hope to GOD AND EVERYTHING HOLY that the GM shitcans Herm 90 seconds after being hired.

If we started talking about coaches and QB's busting, there wouldn't be a head coach left in the league.

Also, you brought up Kyle Turley who is no longer on the roster, Jeff Webb who hardly plays, and Damion McIntosh who was moved to RT because Herm had the instincts to know Albert would be a stud at LT (while playing guard his whole career).

AND OF COURSE WE HAVE REGRESSED ON DEFENSE....KC is starting THREE rookie CB's, and their D line is made up of rookies, and 2-3rd year players. It's like coaching a college defense. All while trading away our best defensive player for more picks to help the team in the long run.

Again your looking for the quick fix, and there isn't one.

If I see a guy in a room with some lincoln logs, and with those lincoln logs (and only those lincoln logs) he manages to set the room on fire, find a way to break the bigger logs, and ends up with just a pile of splintered crap...I'm surely not going to give him a job building my home, simply because he "didn't have the material to work with."

You don't need to see a guy coach pro bowlers to see he's a buffoon.

Wow -- no one is really defending Gunther. It's about time.

Actually Herm was a BIG PROPONENT of getting Turley AND McIntosh, so it looks like you might want to digress. Sorry, no amount of spin can vanish Herm's record, no matter how far he tries to distance himself from it or anybody else, MAKING EXCUSES. Where's Mike Smith's built-in excuse? How about Harbaugh's? This is the NFL, that means, if you don't show some progress in THREE YEARS TIME, then you aren't going to last long. Herm's had AMPLE AMOUNT of TIME and we NEVER ONCE, heard about a REBUILD, until his team went down the shitter. Rebuild is code for we suck and expect us to continue to suck-it's an EXCUSE and Herm and everyone else backing him can't admit IT IS NOT WORKING!!!!Unless of course you think losing 12 games(or MORE) in a season is getting better-news flash it isn't.

GUNTHER KICKS ASS

That is actually an amazing analogy for Sqirmin. Rep.

As before, I disagree with you on most of these points, but that is what makes this place tick.

You can't have it both ways with Herm.

If you are going to give him credit for that playoff debacle of 2006, you have to hold him accountable as well. To say the poor guy was saddled with a mess, that took him into the playoffs, is giving it to him both ways.

He got into the playoffs with DVs team, and clearly showed he didn't want to be there. In fact, he was so removed from it, his wife had to tell him he made it. IMO Herm put out zero effort trying to beat his buddy, Dungy, in the playoffs with DVs team. The team could detect that, and put out about the same.

From the day Herm ****ing Edwards has first put on a KC hat, it has been about his ****ing ego. No ****ing way was he going anywhere with someone elses team.

Blow the shit up! I want my OWN TEAM dammit! My boss won't let me have my own team, I will go over his head. The only way to do this is the Herm Edwards way!

He took the job, and probably cashed all the million dollar checks, so I have no sympathy for the weasel. He owes us sympathy, he has disgraced this team and franchise.

Define dismantling the team. I see that and similar terms used all the time on here, but I am confused as to what it means.

Three years is the magic year for coachs. This is Herms third year and its also his worst year. This is Gun's 5th? Time for a change.

Agreed. Good take.

Morris is my choice, but with kiffen leaving he will most likely be Tampa's new DC

some loosely quoted discussions, if I may suggest.....

summer 2007 -
Herm: okay, we backed into the playoffs, but that was blind luck we need to shit can alot of old players and start building youth.

Carl: not on my watch - get a few young players and and several vets, make another run.

Herm: if you say so, boss. (turns to Clark) this ain't going to work, but I'll be a team player. I want to start over if it doesn't work. And you may need to get rid of Carl to do it, or at least get him the F up off me! (turns to press) we are going to make another run. We seemed real close last year. (turns to Ray Farmer) - get me a couple pros - turley, damon mac, see if Donnie wants to come back, I don't know see what else we can plug a few holes with. (turns back to Carl) can we at least start Brodie this year, we got to see what we got with him, it's the smart thing to do.

Carl: nah, I want damon, he give us the best short term answer, I want to win now.

Herm: Dammit Carl :cuss:

Summer 2008

Herm: told you so, Carl - told you so Clark.

Carl: B'ah- if only LJ wouldn't have gotten injuried, why did I let you talk me into trading Trent Green....

Clark: 'um, yeah - I think you should back the F off of Herm, I want you to support his philosophy this year.

Carl: Your father just turned over in his grave. Do you know who you are talking to? I wiped your butt as a baby, bounced you on my knee. You are dead to me.....

Herm: point for Me, he shoots, he scores. Lets get some stuff done! (turns to team) you, you, you and you for sure - get the F out. You, I don't want to get rid of you, but you are going to get me some young draftees.

Dismantle as in out with the old, and in with the new. Herm wanted to go young. He didn't want to hold onto aging vets, and start a guy like Damon Huard. He didn't want to keep and play a guy like Sammy Knight, Ty Law, Pat Surtain. He wanted a fresh team, with fresh players. He has that now. Let's give him a chance to see what he can do with it.

I'm all for hanging Herm like the rest of you if he can't get the job done with his players (and he supposedly has them now) but I don't believe he has had a fair chance without Carl dictating the gameplan to him.

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Isn't that what every team does every year via the draft? I just don't buy the argument that Herm is in the first year of his rebuilding process. The rebuilding process is an annual occurrence for every team (unless they have traded away their draft picks). Herm's been at it 3 years. He wasn't saddled with having no draft picks because they had been traded away.

I don't know what's going on with him, is the D just relied on to much, they have had some bright spots, but lots of injuries this year, I don't know, I want to like Gun, but I don't know if he gets a pass. krummie for sure doesn't, no top drafted lineman has turned out successful (I know jury still out right now on dorsey)

Yes. It's time to stop giving him a free pass.

F**k Gunther.

Rod Marinelli

It's funny no one mentions Rivera anymore. A few years ago everybody here had a big hard-on for him. He was THE MAN! You guys too easily fall in love with any D coach who has had some success in only the previous year. The same thing is happening on this thread.

Herm brought in Ty Law.

I was hoping he hadn't yet decided to leave and join Lane's staff.
I guess that was confirmed a few days ago though according to various reports.

RATS!

I thought the same thing when I read TRR's post.:D



The Herm backers are lost at sea.

Marinelli would be more sought after by Tampa, than Herm would.

Gun is going to stay as another year just like Herm is.

ROFL

Yeah, things get all twisted, causing the memory to get flustrated.

And everyone(especially fans) proceeded to do cartwheels over that signing too.....

I will not disagree with that, he had just had 10 interceptions the previous season in NY.

But to say poor Herm was saddled with this guy, is not correct.

I was in that camp when Vermeil was here, but by the time Herm got Law to come play here, many knew Law was stop-gap at best.

Sure.............

More important than his three years here are his eight years, overall, IMO, and you cannot blame them all on Carl Peterson.

Yea, everybody KNEW a 38 year old cornerback was the future for another decade, right?

Gee, I feel for those that actually believed that. How anybody could assume Law would be anything more than stop-gap at his age, was delusional then.