How could anyone believe that Herm Edwards can deliver a Superbowl to KC?
 

I don't mean to come off as a troll - at least not in this thread. But this question confounds me, especially in light of the fact that there seem to be quite a few Herm defenders here (Hermines? srsly). What exactly has Herm demonstrated in his career that could lead anybody to believe that he's capable of running the kind of organization that can win a Championship? The guy seems like he would be a FANTASTIC defensive coordinator to me. But I just don't understand what he's ever done to make anyone believe that he can maintain a consistent football team, let alone navigate the playoffs and deliver a championship.

Carl believes.

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I haven't seen anyone defending Herm.

But he did come within a missed FG of the AFC Championship. That gave us hope when he was hired. I guess.

Find me a post that says Herm can win a Super Bowl then we'll talk. Until then, go back to D.C.

Please ask this question to Clark and Carl, Taco. We don't know the answer.

Herm's approval rating is 0%

Your defended him plenty....

Nothing gave us hope when he was hired... His ego has destroyed this franchise..

There is nothing about Herm that says he will ever win a Superbowl. He doesnt have the mental compacity to be a forward thinker... We knew when he was hired we were screwed for the future...

People praised his "keen eye" for talent, Which many have doubted his talent evaluations for years...

Herm proveds this fanbase and franchise absolutely nothing, the sooner he is gone the better.. I am sure Jets fans everywhere are crying about losing Herm to the Chiefs...

I would take a drunken pooh flinging monkey as HC over Herm...

When he was hired, people blasted DV and the circus offense...

Herms approval was probably 95% until the famous Indy playoff game... Then it dropped to 50% last year, people wanted to let him build through the draft with his "keen eye"..

Now after 3 years and a full Hermanization, people are flip flopping all over Chiefsplanet, wanting to fire Herm and Carl...

You want him?














Hey, I'm trying.

That's not funny. The rat is doing fine for the good guys (the Donks).

You are actually being too kind to him IMO. I wouldn't trust the ****er with washroom cleanup responsiblity.

Troll 4321

his first year, when he managed to win like 7 games out of 8 with a backup QB and a team that had very little talent, I approved of the job he was doing.

after the playoff game in Indy, I knew Herm hadn't evolved, and this was not going to end well because the team was crumbling and he and Carl weren't good enough in the draft to fix it.

Superbowl!? Are you Fing kidding me?

Very nice take....

Once again i will ask:

Name one area of the Chiefs Herm Edwards has improved since he took over?

I cant think of one.

....colquitt's punting average has gone WAY up!

We're getting closer to removing Queen Carl!

Good point, right there. It's kind of sad to think that this suffering is worth it, but it probably is.

You go, Herm!

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In all fairness its really hard to expect any coach to win a lot of games with a team like this rebuilding... I knew everyone would back the rebuild during the offseason even though they knew this would happen... but when the season actually happens all hell breaks loose. Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.

In all fairness, isnt this team mostly full of Herms players?

People scream lack of talent, people praise Herm about his Drafts, yet we have no talent, 90% of this team is Herms players... Yes hypocritcy runs deep... People cant make up their mind, no talent, Herms "keen eye".

Regardless of W/L's, no coach with HIS players should ever lay eggs like they have this year. Those players should play for that coach 100% if they believe in him.

Do the players still believe in Herm?

As plenty of people have already explained, we don't mind losing. But losing while making ABSOLUTELY NO PROGRESS WHATSOEVER?

Unacceptable.

Herm win a Superbowl?????? Nope not here,not anywhere......

Name one area of the team that was not decaying when he took over as HC?

By the way I think the secondary, and interior defensive line are greatly improved and have the potential to be outstanding. Also slightly improved are receivers, running backs, and linebackers. Finally, I see reason to believe the Oline will improve over what Herm received. QB is the big question.

Exactly.

Our team is full of Herm players, and they are also young young Herm players. They will have up and down games on matter who we have coaching. I however do think there are guys who would do better than Herm, and at the same times there are people who would be doing worse(I know hard to imagine). However I do want Carl/Herm and co gone after this year. It really would be a good team for someone to take over. The team is full of young guys, a lot of them will have some experience after this year and the new organization should have high draft picks to work with and a newly remodeled facilities. :)

Herm was hired to get the Chiefs into the playoffs. and he did, even though they had a better record under Vermeil the year before. he followed that up with an atrocious display in the Indy playoff game where the Chiefs didn't get a 1st down until late in the 3rd quarter against that 85 Bears defense the Colts had in 2006.

He's a fraud that's being exposed now. one of his biggest supporters and staunchest defenders was htismaqe. what happened to him?

Most of the timers here realized immediately this was a Carl hire. Buddies from Philly. Buddies from the early Marty era. Somebody to take the place of Gunther as "the foot shuffling porter"

Truthfullness....

I have to admit, you were right. You knew. I feel so stupid.

So, who's coaching the Jets next year? :evil:

I don't know why anyone thinks he's:

A good judge of talent.(I give Kucharich(sp) most of the praise for this recent draft)

A good defensive mind

A good head coach

There is absolutely 0 proof to support any of these claims.

I think hes a pretty average drafter.

Well ... you have a point, Mr. RustShack. As for me (and I think most Planeteers), I was and remain fully prepared for losses ... even embarrassing ones. You're quite right that inconsistency will be the hallmark of a team loaded with young players. There are only two things I want to see; The first is improvement in a particular area week to week. It could be the DBs, the LBs, the Oline, the WRs, whatever. I expect it to be inconsistent - in other words, the DBs might look better one week and the RBs the next - I just look for some aspect of the team to improve. The second thing I want is that they never, ever, ever quit. I want to see them fight and scrap and gouge and kick until the final click of the clock ... even when they're losing.

When neither one of those things happen, you have a problem - and it's not necessarily with the players. Last year, for example, we had games in which several of the players seemed to quit on Herm. I think we saw a little of that in Carolina, as well. That's troubling.

I think about this, too; We've had a problem defensing the run for a long time. Plenty of time, in my view, for Herm and Gunther to address the issue. There's only so much "they didn't play their gaps properly" that you can stomach before you realize that, if they aren't playing their gaps, the coaches need to teach them how. Stuff like that bothers me.

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The Jets have to win the next 3 games. then we'll see how this play's out.

How'd you like that washed up old man? :evil:

True, but come on....the guy is in his 3rd year now. At some point you have to stop blaming everything on the previous administration.

Think about where the team was at in DV's 3rd year..

Im thankful to Herm for cleaning out the trash of older vets, but we have yet to see any sort of "real" improvement overall.

So far, that 2006 draft looks like a huge disappointment.

There are a lot of us who were right. D2112 was the oracle that allowed us to see behind the curtain. But anyone who was a fan when Marty was here knew what we were getting.

You're enjoying the season, aren't you?

I have to admit, it must be kind of cool. Glad I got Coles on my fantasy team.

Favre is great at going through his progressions. those TD passes he threw against Arizona were the 2nd, 3rd and 4th receivers he looked at. it's amazing when you go from pathetic to that at QB overnight.

I actually played against Favre, but won because I had Kurt "airing it out ALL DAY LONG" Warner and Coles.

Sorry TJ I don't know anyone on here that thinks Herm can win a SB.

sure, but even so, he's not motivating the players and that's the real sign of a good leader/coach - and the team is only getting worse

So WPI is just a side job? You are actually an NFL player? Yet you still can't get laid?

i think you are a ****ing tard.

I can ****ing say **** all I ****ing want because I ****ing don't have a ****ing word filter ****ing on. **** YEAH!

I'm ****ing sorry about this ****ing post... just ****ing ignore it.

An hour and a half and 45 replies later and no discussion in the thread that you started. You may not mean to come off as a troll, but you are one.

My thoughts of Herm hire was best case senario, he builds a team gets fired and the next year we win a Super Bowl! Just like the Tampa Bay Bucaneers fired Tony Dungy and hired Jon Grueden. That was just wishfull thinking though.

It's not just wins and loses. It's the way the team plays and how prepared they are week in and week out. It's coaching decisions too. For instance bringing in a player from the practice squad to under center so we can run the option. Playing Thigpen over Huard because we want to "see what he can do". It's starting all these young guys except at two positions that everyone can identify as a huge weekness. We continue to start the vets even though we have some young guys who could step in and get the reps and improve. The vets aren't going to improve. As much as Herm talks about sticking to the plan he's not sticking to it across the board. If Herm had his team better prepared and the team was remotely competetive I think alot of fans would be more patient. But we don't seem prepared and we have not been competetive in half of the games we've played in. With things the way they are I don't see the fans calling for Herms head as hypocrites.

PhilFree:arrow:

Brodie Croyle to Mark Bradley! Get used to hearing it :p

He spent the night at Holiday Inn Express?

Herm defenders?

Where?

I haven't read this whole thread, but Herm could indirectly bring one to KC. He won the fight with the front office to build a team correctly, and if we win one it'll be because he gave King Carl a f8tality.

Carl only hires people he knows and whom he knows will not give him any trouble.

Best post EVAR!!!

It's not about winning, it's about improving. People were all for rebuilding because it needed to be done. It was the only thing we could do. We needed to get younger, and since the goal was to go from a completely one-sided team to at least a balanced team and at most a conservative offense with a good defense, the best thing for the Chiefs was to get young asap. The Chiefs couldn't just hang onto what was there, because what was there wasn't all that great anyway.

The problem is that we have the most inf***ingcompetent coach in the history of the NFL, AFL, NFLE, CFL, USFL, XFL, NCAA CFB, and high school powder-puff. Part of the optimism of rebuilding was Chan Gailey... but how stupid were we to think Herm would leave him alone so he could run his own offense? As long as Herm has his hands all over the offense, the rebuild on that side of the ball is at a standstill. What about the defense? I thought Herm was good at that part of his job?

Yeah, I guess we're all hypocrites for wanting the rebuild done well. We're all hypocrites for having an ounce of faith that, with a new coordinator, something would change. It never changes with Herm. That's kind of a bad thing when you're trying to rebuild... ahem, you know, CHANGE and get better.

Might as well complete the rebuild. We should fire Herm today so Gailey can get control of the offense and Croyle and company can spend the rest of the year in his offense instead of Herm's. The players will get better, but Herm never will. He got left behind years ago.

The case is not that difficult to make. His resume is similar to Belichick's before he got Brady, and to Tony Dungy's before he got Peyton Manning. Look it up. Both of those coaches showed they were very good in Tampa and Cleveland (considering the talent they had), but people were too stupid to notice it.

And no one was making the case for either of those 2 to make a Super Bowl either. In fact, many many many people said that they could not win a Super Bowl because of their approach on offense (Dungy) or their lack of ability to motivate players (Belichick).

ROFL

I'm not even going to address the Belichick comparison, because it's quite obviously ludicrous. Not that any of Belichick's teams were this god awful, anyway.

But Tony Dungy has never had two losing seasons in a row. Unless there's a miraculous turnaround, Herm is about to be a losing head coach three out of the last four years.

The Herm Edwards era in Kansas City is an utter failure. I'm looking forward to see your reaction when he's fired.

Heck, Marty knows all about that crap.

Herm is qualified to be President.

Every Monday as Bob Dole is visited by a 3 hour stream of Dallas fans, Bob Dole asks the same question...

What matters is how often you go to the playoffs and what you do when you get there. On those accounts, the resumes are similar. And Belichick has been blown out multiple times in his career. Including with the Pats.

If the Chiefs are an uncompetitive 3 or 4 win team by December, he'll be fired and deservedly so. If they look better and get 6 wins - he'll stay and we'll see what he can do next year.

I'm consistent with what I say - I don't flip back and forth and overreact like you.

Irony.

I'm not talking about individual games. I'm talking about fielding a team so embarrassingly bad that it's bottom of the barrel on both offense AND defense. Neither Belichick nor Dungy came CLOSE to fielding that kind of team.

We have no reason to believe anything will get better. The schedule only gets tougher from here on out.

Who's overreacting? I've been extremely patient and defended Herm for a long time. We're showing no progress in any facet of the game, except perhaps special teams. At some point enough is enough. I wonder when that point will come for you. When we're 1-8?

I don't know a lot about Belichick in Cleveland, and I heard he made some bad decisions, but the Browns weren't ever all that good... he also served under Parcells for 4 years before getting the head coaching position in New England, so it's not all that similar to Herm. He went to a SB with Parcells in NE and then to the AFC Championship game a couple of years later. It's not like some moron saw his resume and thought he was good enough to go straight into another head coaching position.

And like FenceJumper said, Dungy had some really good teams in Tampa...

No - not at 1-8. At the end of the year. If we're 1-8, and finish 6-10 I think that's success.

4 wins or less is failure and he'll be fired. 6 wins or more is success and he stays. 5 wins is amiguous. But I want to see the whole movie.

I've heard this said many times now. And I have to ask. Did you expect improvement every week? Because I thought we improved a lot between the Atlanta game and the Denver game. Then they followed it up with a historical stinker. But should we have expected them to improve or even maintain that Denver game level of play? Rebuilding teams are known to be unpredictable. How much weekly improvement should we expect with a young rebuilding team that still has some holes? You've got to expect a step back somewhere in the process. Granted it was a huge step back.

I think we'll have a better idea as the season goes on.

The thought of that is absolutely disgusting. All of the evidence shows, if we get better, it'll be despite Herm. And what if we get better? He's going to start playing to win? Fire him now.



Well, it's not like you've just jumped the fence... you loved the hire, 'soured on him', 'saw the light', and you were even defending him after the Panthers game a little before jumping back over this week. I wonder when you'll jump back.

it's hard not to quarterback from our keyboards here, but things don't look like they are improving.

however i will grant that a good 3 or 4 game stretch will make the landscape look a lot different.

some significant improvement over last year's 4-12 team would be 6 or 7 wins. i think we can all agree that won't happen. indeed it might be difficult to get back to 4.

maybe if they win 3 of the last 4, you could say there was improvement even though the record wasn't better but I don't know.

Not to Clark Hunt. He wanted to compete for the playoffs.

That's pretty fair of you. I just don't see a reason why anything is going to get better.

Maybe we can go 6-10. :D

I am thinking Herm is a player's coach like Vermeil was, and like Vermeil during his time here, is better at being liked by his employees than accomplishing things.

Nothing about this guy excited me. I felt he could probably draft well but that was about it.

|Zach| had a very good question a while back... if the Chiefs were improving every week, but not winning, could you see it? My answer would be no, because there are so many variables that go into each game that it's nearly impossible to see significant improvement game-to-game. IMO, on-the-field improvement takes at least a quarterly view.

You're right, with a team that's rebuilding, it's even harder... and it's obviously not as easy as asking "have we improved since week 1?", because you would have two completely different answers if you chose weeks 1-4 or 1-5. We're giving up 180 yards rushing per game, which has been pretty consistent. Our best rushing performances are against the bottom half of the league in rush defense, and the one game where we weren't pathetic on offense, 5 of our 7 drives were under 50 yards against one of the worst defenses in the league. I was afraid the Broncos game was an anomaly... no one thought it would last, but I figured it might give us a little momentum.

Overall, I don't think we've improved at all, and we may have even taken a step back since the preseason. I was really looking forward to seeing if Croyle could learn Gailey's offense and see if he was the QBotF, but he'll be once again plugged into Herm's offense with no chance to succeed as a quarterback.

Well, that leads into coaching, which is what I was really talking about when I said we need to see an improvement. There's zero improvement. We had that QB-option experiment thing, but besides that monstrosity, Herm's too oblivious to see that he's the problem. We didn't bring in Chan Gailey so he could run the RRPP with quick screens. Why the hell would you go through a coaching change and then NOT CHANGE!??! It baffles the mind, and it's completely f***ing unacceptable.

The only explanation for someone defending Edwards at this point is wishful thinking. You have to be a blind homer to think that he has the capacity to lead a team.

His entire persona is bull. 1st he comes off with "you play to win the game" like it's actually his philosophy. Then you hear him consistantly in his press conferences saying "if you can keep it to a one score game you always have a chance to win"

The two are a contradiction in terms. The latter is the one he subscribes to. Which means he doesn't have the mentality to build a team to win, but instead one not to lose. Herm definately plays "not to lose the game". It's a defensive mentality.

Personally, I would coach a team like we were 2 scores down from the kickoff and not let my foot off the throttle until the game was over. I would play to win the game.

Not many have faith in Edwards. It could be better described as hope. Either way, the feeling is pretty empty on Sundays.

I have zero faith in him.

This is just Taco's "I told you so" thread.

Your other personality has defended Herm since day 1. I guess that's the same persona who keeps telling us how good Brodie looks in camp too. ROFL

Lets also not forget how herm gift wrapped the 06 playoff game against the colts. I swear, we could have won that damn game, its almost like he just wanted his good buddy to have it more... What was it?....him and tony dungy had a bet, or somthing like that...it had to do with getting to the superbowl? I wouldnt be surprised if herm said, "well, we might beat them, but we wont beat the patriots, so Ill lay my team down *which was really DVs team* and let his team live to fight anothre day.... /rant (and I am still pissed off about that game)

6 wins would be the absolute worst team ever for this team.

6 wins would ensure that Herm comes back.

6 wins would ensure that we have no chance at getting guy like Stafford.

I had the same feeling about that game. They are good buddies and Dungy was on a hot seat at the time.