WTF IS HERM'S LOYALTY TO THIGPEN?!!!
 

The guy truly looks like a HS QB. Has no footwork. No accuracy, and no leadership. Yet he goes into this game series after series, as if he is a rare talent we need to develop. BREAKING NEWS: THIGPEN WON'T BE ON OUR ROSTER NEXT YEAR! Give it up! They acted asd if we stole him from the Vikes when we got him. I know the Chiefs were interested in him before the Vikes got him. My question is WHY? CP? Herm? Who was the genius who saw a diamond in the rough in this pos? Here's my guess: I bet our genius and overqualified QB coach wanted him. And of course when Dick Curl recognizes a QB talent who is to doubt it? :shake:

Wrong forum, jAZkie.

WTF IS HERM'S LOYALTY TO THIGPEN?!!!
 

The guy truly looks like a HS QB. Has no footwork. No accuracy, and no leadership. Yet he goes into this game series after series, as if he is a rare talent we need to develop. BREAKING NEWS: THIGPEN WON'T BE ON OUR ROSTER NEXT YEAR! Give it up! They acted asd if we stole him from the Vikes when we got him. I know the Chiefs were interested in him before the Vikes got him. My question is WHY? CP? Herm? Who was the genius who saw a diamond in the rough in this pos? Here's my guess: I bet our genius and overqualified QB coach wanted him. And of course when Dick Curl recognizes a QB talent who is to doubt it? :shake:

With the accuracy of a Thigpen pass.

I have reposted this thread in the lounge. Mods please delete this one.

No...it is perfectly analogous to loyalty to our incumbent politicians.

If you put your annual football post in the DC forum, you might be a US President hating Iranian ****.

What? You not diggin' the 0.0 QB rateing???

Does Hermie have loyalty to anyone that plays offense?? Those people ruin a football game.

What's the difference? None of our QB's even belong on an NFL roster and Herm chose not to pursue a QB in the offseason.

Naked pictures.

I am literally sick. At one time he had almost as many yds as he did interceptions.

I am so drained, I can't even fly into a rage.

GTFOHWTB, Croyle's a decent backup.

There is a dislike and a distrust between Huard and Herm/Curl.

Anyone paying attention??

Huard is a Peterson guy, Herm wants to seperate from Peterson and his old guard. Herm will NOT put Huard in a position to succeed whether it's by the game plan when he is in the game or if it's by playing time.

It's just that Herm has no idea about the quarterback play, and he has put Curl, and idiot in charge of coaching the quarterbacks.

Huard resents the fact that he has been hampered by poor coaching and game planning and surely want out.

Say all you want about Huard quitting... but when you are faced with idiots all around you, it is frustrating.

In the end BOTH Herm AND Huard need to go.

Herm has the IQ of a newt. A stupid one.

Maybe some hope and no other options but Tuard?

I remember that great Princeton QB that was undrafted. He looked good in preseason, and we cut him for Thigpen.

I'd rather have that guy.

Thigpen is Herms love child.

This whole deal is completely unfair to Thiggy. He isn't ready and should never have been out there in the first place. To his credit, he's still playing and getting results. He has guts.

FAX

And he can apparently play an entire game behind a bad offensive line without suffering catastrophic injuries. That alone makes his the best QB on the roster.

I actually like Thigpen. I mean a loser that plays with heart.

Good example of what we need, IMO.

Yeah he is not #1 favorite or a first round pick. He plays the game like it means something. I think most players lost that with the $$.

I thought Croyle was? I prefer Croyle. Croyle is the better love child.

When you dont have aQB you have to see how all the ones you do have respond to game situations. Like how you respond after putting on one of the worst performances ever.

Martin? Grasping at straws, I know. But why not play him some. It's a crapshoot. Maybe he'll be the next Tony Romo. ;)

I think you may be on to something.

This looks all play into the hands of Brodie Croyle.
Herman Edwards refuses to allow Huard a shot to outplay him.
We'll all be begging for Croyle to come back as our starter once he's healthy.

Pickpen has a tape of Herm and a farm animal would be my guess.

Exactly.

The Chiefs were in a position to score two more times today and failed. One was a missed field goal, the other on the goal line.

I know people are going to bitch, bitch, bitch but for 7th round QB who was waived from his team who played against 1-AA competition, the kid has performed beyond my expectations.

PICKpen!ROFL Brilliant.

What the **** is the point of playing Huard? Come on, Mic. Tell us.

Huard's a washed up, never was. Tyler Thigpen is young player who put the Chiefs in a position to score 4 times in his second start and scored twice.

Let him GROW. He played better this week than last week and my guess is that he only gets better.

Huard only gets hurt. And hurts the team.

Those interceptions were well thrown! He threw them accurately too, right to the defense!

Huard has Quit on this coaching staff.. ( not like we can blame him )
Croyle is more fragile than Claytan's virginity.

PickPen is all we have.. Might as well just LMAO at the kid and enjoy the games...

Does any of the QB play reflect on the QB Coach?

Doesn't really matter who we have at QB until we get our O-line solidified.

Terry Shea was let go a few years ago....

Since then the QB coach position has been vacant.

Oh crap!! This makes sense. ROFL

Marcus Hagans, Ingle Martin, Damon Huard

ehhhhhh

Huzzah!! What a revelation!

I can think of only one argument FOR playing him. We are developing a young team. We don't want our young players to get used to losing right off the bat. Huard clearly is NOT our future, but he has won some games for us. With him, we may have a better chance of having the young'ns get familiar with the taste of victory.

How dare you doubt Curly Dick, the most qualified QB coach in the league?

First off, they're essentially the youngest team in the league. They aren't "used" to losing because most of these guys are rookies. Secondly, Thigpen hasn't been horrible. He's a 7th round 1-AA guy forced into starting.

Do any of you actually think that Tony Romo would have performed better if he had been forced into starting for the Cowboy 3 1/2 seasons before he played?

I don't think he would have done as well, frankly.

As evident by the vacant look on Dick Curl's face every time the camera catches him.

How many other QB coaches in the league are dealing with an oft-injured 3rd rounder QB and a 7th round QB picked off of waivers?

Then we'll compare.

Terry Shea was GREAT in Miami last year, no?

You know Dane? I actually have gut feeling he would. Thig (sounds like a Palin child!) actually throws off of wrong footwork.

Eh, I don't think my post was about TS.

Chiefs' fans don't care what round he was drafted in. He sucks... period.

Well, you're wrong.

Otherwise, Parcells would have started him over Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde and all the other schmucks that Dallas signed during that three year period.

Sean Payton and Bill Parcells knew Tony Romo was going to be good...he was on that team the entire time...Drew Henson was a Jerry Jones signing and was always 3rd string behind Romo...fans were getting pissed that Quincy Carter was playing and wanted to see the guy they gave up a 2nd round pick for, and the season was going nowhere so Parcells did his classic 'fine you can see what we see so you STFU' and Henson sucked...

They brought in Bledsoe and Romo continued to beat out Henson for the #2 despite Henson having a big contract...and before the final year Henson started the extended Romo before the season started because they knew he was going to unseat Bledsoe and wanted him to play for cheap the next two years so they could evaluate him.

Payton picked out Romo from the combine QB's that weren't even invites...just there to throw some passes. I wish we had an eye for talent at that position like Sean Payton.

(Didn't hurt that Payton was a stud QB at EIU...just like Romo...)

Romo sat on the bench for 3 and half years. Bill Parcells said that if Romo had been forced to play his first year, he'd be long out of the league.

Period.

Leave it here. Makes more sense than the Palin rips.

Dude, over the top, Frankie posts quite a bit in the Lounge. I would not expect you to see since you rarely post over there.

ROFL

How many other teams take a late rounders and actually coach them to be at least a effective NFL QB, not a joke NFL QB.

How about the Cowboys, for starters?

Undrafted QB.

Pro Bowler.

1-AA player.

Sat on the bench for 3+ years.

How about Gus Ferrote in Washington, now the starter in Minnesota? How about Matt Hasslebeck and Marc Bulger, two 6th round picks?

Need I continue, Funny Man?

To be fair to Thigpen, I really don't think there are too many 3rd string QB's sitting around the league who people would expect to come in and play very well. A lot of teams don't even have a 2nd stringer people would expect to play well.

On the flipside, he definitely can't be going 14-36 passing every week from here on out or we probably won't win a game. But hopefully Croyle will be back and we won't have to worry about it.

Pigpen is absolutely the worst QB since.....................Blackledge.

ROFL

Well, not like it's going to put us in the playoffs. But I feel confident in saying that Croyle will complete 50+% of his passes every week.

I would like to see a list of QB's in NFL history that have thrown 30 plus passes in two straight games and completed less than 50% of them.

I'd be inclined to agree with you if I was confident he could play more than 1 game in a row without spraining his clitoris.......

What you are saying is basically what I am saying. But where is the coaching for KC? Romo obviously received coaching. Lots of lower round QB's succeed in the league with the proper coaching either with sitting out for a few years or being thrown into the fire because of necessity. What I am saying is Dick Curl is not getting it done, Curl has no business in the NFL. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

I guess I fail to understand why people want Damon "Quitter" Huard to start over Thigpen.

I also wonder why people keep bashing Thigpen, yet it was obvious that he showed remarkable improvement in the 2nd half, compared to the first half. Yes, he throws INT's and some balls shouldn't be thrown into some coverages, but Thigpen is a 2nd year player. Damon Huard makes the same mistakes and he's been in the league for some 13 years.

Exactly, most would receive the proper coaching to overcome improper fundamentals. Dick Curl needs to be gone...now! I don't have expectations for our young QB's to go all pro in a week but the way all of them have played should reflect on the coaching. Hell they had all off season and Brodie still sucked like a rookie before he was hurt.

How do you know "that he's not getting it done"?

It took Romo 3 Freaking YEARS to step foot on the field.

Thigpen has been forced in YEAR 2. GAME 2.

There's no way to compare.

It's not an absolute.

Do I even need to respond to this? What the hell are you watching? Are you related to Dick Curl or something? I am not saying Thigpin should be all pro but the fundamentals should be better. Look at what has happened with our QB's since Herm came in and D. Curl became the QB coach. Jeeze, I can't believe you are defending this guy. I bet the next coach you will be touting is the ST coach who should be gone too.

I don't want Quitter to start either. I wanted a solid NFL basckup. A "real" one like Joey Harrington or Phil Simms as a stop gap till Crouyle gets back. Huard or thigpin will never be our future so there is no backpeddling on rebuilding.

You're a dumb****.

Dumb. ****.

Please explain to me how at 7th round, waived player who's played against 1-AA competition is supposed to perform at a higher level than Thigpen has after being forced into a starting role.

Better yet, dipshit, please cite a similar incident. Stats, QB coach, and QB.

Or better yet, SHUT THE **** UP.

chill the **** out.

I got the impression early on Thigpen figured out if he threw a good pass and hit his guy in the hands they'd drop it so switching to scattergun was just an attempt to make his receivers happy.

Frankie,

It made no sense to me why Huard or Pigpen was even on the roster at start of preseason. I saw nothing in preseason that helped me see why Herm kept these guys. But, Herm sees these guys every day and has been in the NFL a long time so I assumed there was something I'm not seeing.

After yesterday I'm still not a Huard or Pigpen fan, but at least I started to see the ability that Herm, Gannon and Dawson spoke about the previous week. So I say until Croyle comes back let Pigpen play. He may turn out to be another Tony Romo for all I know. What I do know is Huard will not be on this team when rebuilding is completed so I see absolutely no reason for him to start.

Jake Plummer is more accurate than Tyler Thigpen.

That outa shrink some of your chocolate stars

JOEY ****ING HARRINGTON?!?!?!?!? lol are you serious.

Some people on this board........Jesus Christ......:shake:

Id rather have Jake Plummer on this team than Tyler Pigpen.

I've said this time and time again.
This team produces offensively with him at the helm.
That helps establish young offensive players more than 6 consecutive possessions where we could not obtain 1 first down.

He has a 38.3 QB Rating. He's thrown 4 Interceptions and could conceivably have thrown 3 more. In 2 weeks he's thrown more than a dozen passes that defenders have had their hands on.

This is the guy you're clamoring for?
Every NFL analyst worth his salt is baffled by Herm's allegiance to a QB who obviously isn't ready to play at this level.

Huard did NOT get hurt.
But if you'd rather pretend he did to solidify the argument for a bottom-feeder QB who doesn't deserve a roster spot on a team as bad as this one... Be my guest.

Regardless of his QB rating or what the talking heads have to say, Thigpen drove his team down the field twice and scored touchdowns yesterday and put them in a position to score twice more. He's grown from last week.

And you want to bench that guy in favor of a 35-year-old Never Was with a noodle arm? Seriously?

Huard wouldn't have last 3 series yesterday against that pass rush. Thigpen's running and escapability yesterday is what gave the Chiefs a chance to score.

I suppose as long as you gloss over the five consecutive three-and-outs to start the game, two interceptions and pick-6...

Coupled with more than a half-dozen other passes that could easily have been picked off and I suppose he has been impressive.
:rolleyes:

If I'm not mistaken that QB has the longest pass-completion of the year.

Are you kidding?
The running game and a softened Falcons defense is what gave us a chance to score. That had Jack and Shit to do with anything Thigpen did. Hell even the ball he threw to Bowe for the TD was behind him. Give Bowe the credit for catching the ball and breaking a tackle to score.

Sorry, Man. I'd take Thigpen any day of the week over Huard. Imperfections and all.

See, Thigpen actually has a chance to become a solid NFL QB. Huard's had his chance and failed.

It may take him the entire season. Or a few more years. Who knows? But he's got far more upside than Huard. He's also got youthful enthusiasm.

I'll take all of that any day of the week over Noodle-Arm. Warts and all.

He did look much better in the end of the 2nd quarter and 2nd half altogether. It's amazing what a decent running game does to open up your offense. He started off shaky and what did you expect really? First start and he had one full week of first team work, did you expect him to light it up? After he settled down he did fine. I don't count on him to run but at least he poses a threat. What good does starting Huard do? I mean really, do you think he would do that much better at leading this team? Is he more consistent? Yeah, from 15 yards and closer. The safeties could stand 15 yards away and never step a footback, and not even worry about getting beat deep. The pic-6 was garbage time and Bowe fell down and lets not act like the 7 yd slant Huard threw to give him that completion was anything more thatn that......a 7 yd slant

How about you provide some stats, a QB that Dick Curl has groomed to be at least decent in the NFL.

See, I am not being critical of Thigpen. I am being critical of our coaching staff and the play of all of our young QB's we have had in here since Herm took over. Including Croyle. I am saying that Dick Curl has no business as a QB Coach.

No need to make your self look like such an assclown with your internet tough guy act. This is just football talk on a football board. I have refrained from name calling with you because I don't have anything against you. I am a Chiefs fan and you are a Chiefs fan. But seriously, go f*** yourself.

BTW, fairly similar but better coaching and granted Div 1A. I am sure that probably is a real big difference to you..
Tim Rattay http://www.azcardinals.com/team/bio.php?PRKey=168

• Born in Elyria, OH, was raised in Phoenix and attended Phoenix Christian High School before playing his first two seasons of college ball at Scottsdale Community College.
• Since 1995, 30 quarterbacks have been drafted in the seventh round and he is one of only two (Billy Volek) seventh round or undrafted quarterbacks to enter the league since that year and pass for more than 400 yards in a game.
• One of just three quarterbacks in NFL history to throw only one interception in his first 150 pass attempts (Tom Brady/NE, Bruce Gradkowski/TB).
• Has thrown three touchdowns in a game three times, the last time was at Chicago on 12/17/06.

Pro Career:
Signed by the Cardinals as a free agent on 10/9/07, was originally a seventh round (212th overall) draft choice by the 49ers in the 2000 NFL Draft. He spent five full years with San Francisco where he appeared in 32 games with 16 starts, completing 356 of 586 passes for 3,941 yards, 19 touchdowns, 12 interceptions before being traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on 10/18/05. He was inactive for the final 10 games of the season with the Buccaneers before appearing in four games (two starts) and completing 61-of-101passes for 748 yards, four touchdowns and two interceptions in 2006. He then signed with the Tennessee Titans as an unrestricted free agent on 5/11/07 and attended training camp with the Titans before being released in the final roster cut on 9/1.

2006: Appeared in four games, with two starts, for the Buccaneers … saw first regular season action as a Buccaneer vs. Atl (12/10), entering the game in the fourth quarter and completing nine of 13 passes for 83 yards … entered the game in the second quarter and helped erase a 21-point deficit by completing 20 of 35 passes for 268 yards, three touchdowns and one interception @ Chi (12/17) … completed 16 of 26 passes for 212 yards and one interception in his first start as a Buccaneer @ Cle (12/24) … completed 16 of 27 passes for 185 yards and a touchdown vs. Sea (12/31).

2005: Prior to being traded to the Buccaneers by San Francisco on 10/18, started all four games he appeared in for the 49ers … completed 11 of 16 passes for 165 yards, two touchdowns and a career-high 141.9 passer rating vs. StL (9/11) … completed 21 of 24 passes for 269 yards with three touchdowns and two interceptions vs. Dal (9/25); threw for three touchdowns for second time in his career … completed 11 of 21 passes for 102 yards and an interception vs. Ari (10/2) in Mexico City … was inactive (third quarterback) for all 10 games with Tampa Bay.

2004: Started a career-high nine games and recorded career-highs in completions (198), attempts (325), passing yards (2,169) and touchdowns (10) with the 49ers … completed 18 of 31 passes for 175 yards with two touchdowns and one interception vs. Atl (9/12) … completed 31 of 47 passes for 299 yards with two touchdowns and one interception vs. StL (10/3) … set career-highs for completions (38), attempts (57) and yards (417) with two touchdowns vs. Ari (10/10) … completed 18 of 28 passes for 286 yards with one touchdown and one interception @ NYJ (10/17) … completed 23 of 35 passes for 259 yards with two touchdowns and one interception vs. Sea (11/7) … completed 22 of 37 passes for 284 yards with one touchdown and four interceptions vs. Car (11/14) … completed 15 of 31 passes for 147 yards and one interception @ TB (11/21).

2003: Played in 11 games and posted three starts (2-1 record) with the 49ers … completed 12 of 18 passes for 146 yards and a touchdown for a 110.0 passer rating @ Min (9/28) … completed 19 of 29 passes for 236 yards with three touchdowns and one interception for his second QB rating (110.7) of 110+ of the season (third of career) … completed 21 of 27 passes for 254 yards and two touchdowns vs. Pit (11/17); 130.6 QB rating was his highest of the season and second-highest of his career … completed 14 of 30 passes for 142 yards with a touchdown and an interception @ GB (11/23).

2002: Appeared in four games for the 49ers, completing 26 of 43 passes for 232 yards and two touchdowns for a QB rating of 90.5 … receiving the most playing time of his career up to this point when he completed 14 of 21 passes for 138 yards and two touchdowns for a QB rating of 116.8 in the final game of the season @ StL (12/30).

2001: Appeared in three games for the 49ers and completed the only two passes he threw on the season, both coming @ NO (1/6/02), throwing for 21 yards.

2000: Appeared in one game and threw one pass in his rookie season with San Francisco.

He completed 7 passes in the Second Half.
The staff took the ball out of his hands. They relied on LJ's legs.
And when he did throw they were almost all high-percentage passes.
Don't let that get in the way of your argument though.

Bowe was on his way to falling down when the pass left Thigpen's hands.
Additionally Houston had gotten itchy and would've jumped the route regardless. There was no threat of us throwing the ball downfield. So I'd wager that he throws that pick-6, anyway, if Bowe hadn't fallen down.

The pass Huard completed to Darling was a 25-yard rope. The other 43 came after the catch. Do you even bother to watch the games?

I can't believe people are clamoring for a QB who has a 4 yard per completion average. To put that in perspective for you... Jamaal Charles has more yards per rush than Thigpen does per completion.