Should the Chiefs have traded up to snag Matt Ryan?
 

Lets have some fun!

Of course that would have meant giving up Dorsey, but at least we would have our QBoTF now.


Thoughts......

I still like the Dorsey pick... we can get a QB next draft.

Do you think Atlanta would've taken Huard?

No...I think we possibly should have traded up into the bottom of the 2nd round for Brohm.

Wow.

Ryan goes 9/13 for 161 yards and a TD, against the Detroit ****ing Lions, and he's the second coming of Ben Roethlisberger...

Chargers and Texans fans assumed Ryan Leaf and David Carr would be their QBOTF as well...

Worked out well...

Not to mention, to trade up to #3, we would have had to give up a 3rd round pick as well. So, not only no Dorsey, but likely no Charles as well.

I would give up a RB and DT for a QB in the draft.

RB's and DT don't take time to develope, QB does. We could get those other positions while our QB is taking his youthful lumps

"DT don't take time to develop"?

You are an idiot.

Dorsey will have a better career than Ryan. He is a rare DT a Buck Buchanan/Warren Sapp type.

no and no..... F BC and Ryan. he will be avg.

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Hell no

No. As everyone says the game begins in the trenches. We need to solidify our line on offense AND defense before we get any high profile players. You can't develop QB's without some protection first. (See Ryan Leaf)

No.

I think he'll be a great QB but we needed to rebuild the foundation (0/D line.)

Who? Stafford isn't anything great and after him the rest of the QB crop is hogwash.

Yeah basically we need to blow baows for two years.

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Of course not.

It doesn't have to be some huge QB prospect out of a major school in order for it to be a good pick.... most end up busts anyway.

Nobody saw Tom Brady coming....

The right QB under the right system can be successful.

Pass me what this guy is smoking.

Negative. A dominant DT is probably just as hard to come by as a franchise QB.

There are no guarantees Dorsey will become a dominant DT in this league, but all indicators point to yes...

Matt Ryan was a good pro prospect, and the best in that draft class...but that draft class and the one in '09 probably aren't going to produce a whole lot of star QB's.

Ryan looked good against a Lion's defense who got torched by Turner for 200+ yards.

If you give Brodie a RB or RB's that are on pace for 200+ yards in a game, and I'm sure he'd have a phenomenal game. *Insert joke about Brodie having to stay on the field to have a phenomenal game*

FYP...

just stick to Carl's plan
pick through the QB trash heap
instead of him drafting a bust

Dorsey pick was fine


Herm is the problem at QB



Ryan would be looking like a bust right now if he was in KC

yeah, because the phrase "DTOTF" is just as common as "QBOTF"

Well, we have the right GM and head coach in place.

I'm fine with the Dorsey pick.

But I applaud the Falcons for having the b@lls to take a chance on a QB. We see where playing it safe as gotten us.

As for people saying pass on next years class because the prospects don't look great, hogwash. Nobody knows. There's a lot to play still this year and somebody might emerge.

All I know is this rebuilding process really isn't moving or even happening until we get a quality signal caller and I'd hate to see the Chiefs wait until 2010 because we hope a guy we like might be there when we draft.

We have to move forward.

Yeah, you're right.

I guess WRs never take any time to develop, cause, you know, they don't use the "WRoTF" either.

Or Corner.

Never heard "CoTF".

I've seen some ****s of the future
thats a c

Im very concerned about finding our LSoTF

Long Snapper of the Future.

QB is the only position where the first year is written off as a "learning year", all others are expected to produce immediately.

QB is the position where the mistakes are most glaring.

Yep. I've kinda given up on Croyle...unless he comes back and has a great season and doesn't get hurt again..both of which are unlikely.

Stafford may not be the best QB yet...who knows. Painter might step up. Before the season started last year, everyone was talking about Brohm as "the guy", well Ryan showed he was the best QB of that class.

I've watched a little bit of Stafford, and I haven't found much I dislike..except for the fact that he has a sort of sidearm release and doesn't really have to carry his team like Ryan had to.

And if our team gels and wins 7-8 games next season, we might be drafting number 14 or 15 in the 2010 draft; and miss all of the QB prospects worth picking up.

You can't pass up Stafford just because Sanchez and Bradford should be out the next year. Although, I'd love it if Bradford came out after this year. That would be a great pick-up for us.

imo Chiefs fans would be crazy to want Herm anywhere near a young quarterback.

you really want Herm teaching a young QB you just spent 40 million on?

hell no

what ...... gonna teach him how to hand the ball off and then hit the fetal position so he doesn't get killed?

Sounds like Damon Huard is the professor on that lesson.

Chase Daniel to be the next slash in 2009

Yeah..but I don't think Herm would have enough time to totally ruin him in one season. However, we've seen how difficult it is for young QB's to succeed with changing OC's and HC's. Especially the OC part. I dunno, if Herm and Carl and Gailey and anyone tied to those guys left after next year and we could start with a new coaching staff and QBOTF in the 2010 draft, that wouldn't be too bad.

Pleeeassee....:shake:

First of all, ANY QB behind our O-line right now has a better chance of leaving the field on a stretcher than leaving the field with a Win.

let Herm stick with rebuilding the defense and drafting young talent.

1 more draft, 1 more year


then fire Carl and Herm .... let the new guys draft the QB and build the offense.

Win Win!

No. These threads are pathetic.

Dorsey, just like Derrick Johnson, was the NO-BRAINER CORRECT pick.

Mecca in 4, 3, 2,1,...

Thanks Carl...

are you high?

now, brohm instead of flowers in the second round? tempting.

:spock:

Yeah, because Carl is really known for taking the best player available.

Judging by Green Bay's depth chart, Brandon Carr vs. Matt Flynn in the fifth is the tougher question.

Not tough at all.

We've all been told numerous times that a QB isn't worth taking if you don't take him in the 1st round...

:rolleyes:

Chiefs need to draft Todd Reesing in 2010 draft.

chase daniels is who I would pick he is tough and a leader that's what this team needs

We should draft Chase Daniel with our 1st round pick in 2009.
Then draft Bradford with the 1st round pick in 2010 and Todd Reesing in a late round.

We should also take a look at Colt McCoy and Graham Harrell. Don't forget about Joe Ganz and Freeman.

BIG 12 RULEZZZZ!!!

FYP.

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You can get a pretty good idea of a person's football IQ when the only people they ever suggest drafting are players of the Big 12...

Bump for Mecca! :)

LOL, I was just reading through the thread.....I pumped Ryan pretty hard before the draft.

We'll see but in 1 game Ryan is already light years ahead of any QB on the Chiefs roster. Guys like him get more and more rare with the college fascination with the spread...

We didn't trade up to get Ryan cause Herm had a secret plan,and his name is Ingle Martin

I swear to god, heads will roll.

After watching Stafford some, I think he REALLY fits what Gailey would want in a QB. Sort of Cutler-esque in his out of pocket throwing capabilities. JMO.

Ill have some fun and BUMP this thread.....

...or so he wanted you to believe. that was just the 'secret' to the real 'secret' plan.

he will wow us; and get us to 8-8 and be 'competitive'....'close' to the playoffs!!!!!

i was looking for this thread earlier.

yes, a DT would do much more to revitalize an organization than a QB :rolleyes:

Maclin in the first.
Daniel in the second.
Hood in the third.

This would totally rule.

Ryan is the most polished QB to come out in years, you can tell he'll make it. He's confident he stands tall in the pocket he looks off receivers and doesn't lock on.

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I'm a mizzou fan. and that would kinda suck. I KNOW you're kidding. but, let's see--10-15 picks too early for maclin, a few rounds too early for daniel, MAYBE good value for hood--I've seen him as a possible second round pick if our defense shores up.

Only if you wanted to see a young kid get his head caved in......how to ruin a good qb prospect, let him play behind a young O-line....

I really don't think trading up for Ryan would have done much for us. It would still be the same coaching staff putting the same leash on him. The same playcalling asking him to hand off up the middle twice then drop back on 3rd and 12 with no protection and try to make a play. The same threat of being yanked for half the season for throwing his first INT. He would have the same WRs with balls bouncing off their hands. The same O line NOT blocking for him.

Where he's at, they let him try to make plays and don't behead him for mistakes. Thigpen would probably look better there than here.

Yea because Atlanta has an all world line right.

Dorsey owns

A good running game like they had against us would do wonders. It's a vicious cycle we are in. We can't pass because we can't run. We can't run because they know we won't pass on first down until we are down two scores.

They look like that when they are playing our DL

It's mostly because our team is reeruned, it's not like Atlanta is a superior talented team.

Yeah, not serious. There's some talent in Columbia, no doubt, but at this point, Mizzou's kicker is a player I'd really like to snag in a late round, if possible.

I don't think Daniel could play for Herm. Daniel is too competitive and likes to win too much to ever settle for what Herm wants to put on the field.

this thread is about as useful as
Damion McIntosh at tackle
the object of interest has already past it by

no doubt. some sick talent in columbia these days.

hell, I wouldn't be unhappy with daniel in the fifth or sixth round.

It sucks for him that he's been such a great player up to this point, and someone's going to take a tape measure to him at the combine and cross him off the list.

You're probably right--he'll go in the 5th/6th range, but it wouldn't be completely shocking for him not to get taken at all. Didn't Baltimore grab Troy Smith in the 4th? Another short guy...

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You're saying that he actually "plays to win the game"?

All Chase needs is 4" spikes and he'll be almost as tall as Peyton Manning.

Sitting down. I don't think Daniel is even 6'.

He's listed at 6' but I think in reality he's more like 5'10'-5'11'


Shame that 3-4 inches of height is the one thing that will keep him from getting a shot at the next level. The dude is a real gamer - a smart QB with heart and an accurate arm.

Brees isn't 6', so there are exceptions.

Frankly, this entire line of criticism confuses me. No quarterback throws over anyone in the NFL. It's about finding passing lanes. This, of course, introduces the second problem: Daniel as a "system QB."