Even if the HC/OC playcalling changes dramatically......
 

can this really make up the deficiences in our OL? Are we really a true playoff team? Will we again push ourselves out of a Top 5 or Top 10 draft position next year by squeezing out 7,8, or perhaps 9 wins?

This would be truly disappointing! :banghead:

Our OL is plenty good enough.

Pass-protection wise, it's normal.

Run blocking however is a major problem.

If the Chiefs really suck like everybody seems to think, you have nothing to worry about.

Yeah. It's like Dick Vermeil never left. And Gunther Cunningham. And Martyocre Schottenchoker.

Welcome to Chiefs football.

... to win a Tibetan burger eating contest, maybe.

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I don't think so. Get the eighth man out of the box and they'll do fine against defenses without Pat and Ted.

Unfortunately this is not true. We have managed to allude a Top 5 and/or Top 10 draft pick for over 20 years. We may have had one or two in the Top 5 during that period. We have mostly picked in the high teen's low 20's. Not the best position to be in when you are trying to recruit young talented franchise players.

Sorry wrong quote I meant this one.

Unfortunately this is not true. We have managed to allude a Top 5 and/or Top 10 draft pick for over 20 years. We may have had one or two in the Top 5 during that period. We have mostly picked in the high teen's low 20's. Not the best position to be in when you are trying to recruit young talented franchise players.
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Even with or without the 8 man in the box, Welbourne and Turdly are wiffing their blocks big time.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. How are you supposed to ensure you get a top 5 draft pick?

Wiegmann's the worst.

Granted, he's been up against beasts, but Houston's DTs clowned him and it happened all last year.

We need to draft a C somewhere between round 2-5.

Understandable, Mr. Coach. The linebackers are moving and I don't think either one of those guys studied trigonometry.

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He has always struggled against some of the bigger better D-Tackles. Hes undersized.

We can't. I'm just saying we are notorious for just winning enough games to push ourselves out of reach from the quality players during the draft. Picking in the high teen's or low 20's will be unfortunate especially when we have a lot of picks next year at least one in each round. For a team that last went to the SB 38 years ago and only reached one AFC Championship game during that period that pretty much sucks!

Eh...I think people are overreacting to playing really good defenses.

dammit,dammit,dammit ........anyone that sat through marty shottenheimer as our head coach and still doesn't know what's wrong with this offense oughta have their fan card taken away.

fuggin idiots....


we've opened up this offense 4/5 times this year ..... a couple of times against chicago and a couple of times against minnesota.

when we did it's resulted in 3 touchdowns and 1 field goal.

if the guys we have suck so bad then how did they move the ball so well EXACTlY on the same drive we decided to mixed the play calling?


and for all the dumbass morons who say that it's all part of the master plan to wear down a defense before we start passing .......... then why did our offense go right back to sucking AFTER the successful scoring drives?


our offensive line isn't great but it's good enough if our coaches give them help instead of making their job harder by announcing to the defense what they are going to do.

BINGO!

I'm scared to agree with Laz...but he's right.

We had the chance to draft Ryan Kahlil Center from USC when he had fallen. INstead we drafted Turk McBride and ignored the C. Kalil is starting LG for Carolina now.

"Tamba! Slow down! Why are you running like that in the fourth quarter!"

"Hey, Bowe! Drop that pass! There's no sense in getting yourself hurt!"

"Welbourn! Grab that guy by the face mask and pull him down when he rushes outside."

"Medlock! Uh....never mind. Just keep doing that."

every player has strengths and weaknesses


the Chiefs are asking wiegmann to play with the weakest part of his game. He is undersized .... asking him to go nose-to-nose with a huge nose tackle is just silly.

Yea, i seriously dont "get" this coaching staff sometimes?? WTF goes through their heads??? They are trying to put square pegs in round holes.

The worst part is, instead of just fixing what needed to be fixed in Saunders' scheme (turnovers, bizarre redzone calls, inability to control the clock late in games) they're apparently all but trashing it all. They've cut down the playbook (which to me is okay, you don't need a 700 page playbook with plays cycling out every month...) and now Herm's talking about cutting back on motion and shifting to limit penalties.

And hell, the idea should be to best utilize what your players can do. It's not about pounding the square peg into the round hole because you believe football should be played a certain way, philosophically. If you want to drive-block and cut down on outside runs, then you get rid of Wiegmann, as people have mentioned. You don't need a pro bowler at ever position, but you don't want the weakest part of your line to be the center, either. He's a good player if he's in motion, they just don't do that any more. They're making the team worse by asking someone to do something he simply can't.

They did it with Jordan Black last year (although Roaf forced that). They do it with Kris Wilson every week now. How do you expect to pound the football with an h-back and no fullback?

It doesn't make sense. It's not like they don't have people capable of making plays. Tony Gonzalez is still as good as they come. So is Larry Johnson. Bowe is obviously capable of making plays. Why not find ways to take advantage of that?

It makes no sense to me.

And maybe it really does come from the top. Maybe we're not seeing what Solari wants to do.

I don't think this is a bad team, and I do think they're capable of winning 10 or 11 games.

But not if they don't at least try to do something on offense.

Nice post.

I do believe Kris Wilson is being majorly misused. He has talent and can be contributor, but our coaching may not have the goods to figure it out.

imo they are already trying to use Wilson too much.


if you are going to use a power running game then you need to offset that power running with a deep passing game to the wide receivers and attack the vertical seams with your tightend.

This will force the defense to cover the whole field

we need to see more Boomer and less wilson ...... i want our WR catching passes not an H-Back.



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we're running a butt sex version of the West Coast...literally the dumbest offense I've seen....

as noted, if you're going to slam the RB into 8-9 man fronts then have to also counter with deep routes to a) capitalize on safeties creeping up and then b) push the safeties back to open up the butt sex run game...duh

we play butt sex and then throw swing passes with safeties crowding the los...durrrrr...

I think LJ/Bowe/Gonzo are perfect for a norv-turner era Coryell offense...obviously our OL is inferior, but still...

we need to be hitting Bowe in stride crossing the field 20yards deep so he can run with it....make the safeties worry all the time, then Gonzo owns the middle, and LJ has room to breathe...and we can run a legitimate play-action...etc...

but Herm wants to run the clock, not score....so we'll continue to execute an offense that is doomed to fail...

I think it all go's back to the QB on he should be making quick and decisive decisions. Get the ball out quickly to the wrs where they can catch them and make + yards on each play. Our recievers can catch slants and short crossing patterns that would give us a short 2nd or 3rd down then we can mix up the run or pass on those situations. (west coast?) But we need a QB who can deliver the football on time and with accuracy (kind of like Croyle would do if given opportunity).

We mostly end up with 3rd and long and expect them to make a big first down. We need to get + yards on first and second down to convert an easy 3rd down. If we ever get close to the goal line, pound the ball with Boomer and LJ, & then playaction bootleg would be cool and work with Croyle.

We are dead in the water with #11 an eleven year career clipboard holding QB who is not decisive or that accurate with the football.

For pete sakes AUDIBLE out of a run if the line is stacked with 8-9 guys!!

Who cares about all of those shifts and motions? Apparently other teams have figured them out and know it's still going to be a running play. I think Herm still uses it to keep the DV fans happy that he didn't muck with the offense. Reality is it's not helping and is a little too much for our team to execute without having many penalties.

This team needs to get it's own identity, and if it wants to be a smash mouth run it down your throat in your face, then we need to line up like that is what we are going to do. Line up so the team shows that it is going to ram the ball down yer throat and there is nothing you can do about it. Football is attitude and if you have attitude to "win" on every play and the talent to back it then that is how you win games, imho. We have the talent to pull this off but we don't have the attitude to get it done.

I'm sure Al and DV could get 28 pts/game out of that line..

wow ..... KC Tatto, Carl Peterson must love you.

I hope for my sake I didn't suggest any thing in favor of CP. I just want a QB change and mostly a GM change, if I can get either of the two soon I will be a pretty happy Chiefs fan with a :arrow: Tattoo.

if we win this upcoming week we're going to the playoffs, this is a huge-huge-huge game

ROFL

I like the plan.

GB pretty much did this, and kept them on their toes.
Unlike GB we have a running game, LJ. If we do as you say this could give us a chance this Sunday.

To the tune of 2 yards a carry, we really impose our will on other teams don't we?

Unlike us GB has a QB that makes throws......

Don't agree. We need them to respect the quick throws, slants, etc... then we give them the steady dose of LJ. Making progress creates momentum followed by confidence then ATTITUDE!!!!!!!

In the end I just don't have the confidence in our coaching staff or Front Office to do the right thing.

The problem is he's not making those easier throws. This all goes back to playcalling and gameplanning and ultimately COACHING!!!!!!!!

I believe Huard can make those throws.

In fairness, if the Chiefs had Huard putting it up 35 timse which is what you should be doing when a team is stacking the line, he'd throw picks.

Which goes back to why a lot of don't think he should be playing...

Huard threw it 29 times without an interception. YOU LOSE.

Considering how far a lot of those went......

Huard is a really good example of stats making a guy look way better than he really is.

Huard is teh under-rated.

If he could ever get a consistent chance to open up the playbook.

lets have another example, please...

He was perfect for the Saunders offense when the line moved horizontally. Now we're a smash mouth team and we move vertically. I think that's his problem. If he's outside on the run, he usually does just fine.

True, but at least admit that he looked spooked and almost threw about 4 of them.

1963, are you going to make a thread every week related to this...?

Yeah, I was all over Kalil when we were on the clock.

I kinda like Turk in some ways, but we really screwed the pooch on a DE/DT hybrid, especially with the DEs we have right now.

When that happens we usually lose....


15 of those 29 passes are swings or checkdowns for a postitive net 5 yards...

but hey he has a high completion percentage...

Huard is teh suck....