Another Hermie quote that speaks volumes
 

first it was the scoring alot isn't real football it's Arena Ball.


then Herm comments about the illegal motion penalty that nullified a touchdown.

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"We didn't let (Jason Dunn)get set before we went in motion," Coach Herm Edwards said. "That's what happens when you run all those shifts and motions. You have to be in tune."
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yep herm .... when you run all dem dere fancy,smancy offensive plays it just means trouble.

:shake:

seriously ...... instead of blaming the shifts, why don't you blame yourself for not having the team prepared to handle a pro level offense.

it's becoming increasely clear that Herm didn't want Trent Green, didn't want all the shifts and motions ...... basically just didn't want any part of the league's #1 offense that he inherited.



offense is teh debbil!!

how about practicing it a few times. make sure everyone knows the play

**** YOU HERM.

blasphemer!

Without a doubt, Herm has been promoted beyond his level of competence. That's all there is to it.

4 playoffs in 6 years.

THat's at least competent.

Sometimes I wonder if he says these things just to yank everyone's chains, to play off his reputation for being hostile toward/ignorant of offensive football. I mean, he can't be that stupid, can he?

But the more I watch, the more convinced I am that that reputation is duly earned.

And it's funny how he said he wasn't going to change the offense. Remember that?

Exact opposite happened.

What did he say exactly? Just that when you have a lot of shifts and motions (and we motioned on virtually every play) - you need to be in tune. That is precisely true.

Herm's teams have been top 10 in fewest penalties in every year (possibly every year but one) of his 6 years of coaching. But he's incompetent.

He's squeaked in twice at 9-7 and has never won more than 10. And he is under .500 W/L and getting worse all the time.

Herm sucks so much, i dedicate my username to his coaching philosophy.

I don't Boo players when they are announced coming out of the tunnel at the stadium, I just don't clap for them, i.e. Warfield Hicks and never once did I clap for Dick when he was announced. But is it ok to BOO Herm when he comes out of the tunnel on sunday? I mean he does deserve it doesn't he?

That's the risk you run when you go all vanilla with no motion in preseason.

I just want to see him take some ownership for any aspect of the game. It's his responsibility to get the team prepared but every week he has an excuse deflecting blame.

Please - early year 2 of a rebuilding program. You would have fired Belichick in Cleveland and Dungy in Tampa. Some people never learn. We'll have Brodie within a month - possibly even this weekend.

Very true

Word.

Right, I forgot about all those other coaches that would have beaten New England in the midst of their 3-year Super Bowl dynasty to get 12 wins even though the starting QB got hurt every year. You're out of your minds.

A playoff road victory over LT and Brees, and a 41-0 thumping over the Colts in the playoffs as well. More evidence of incompetence.

Herm the man of many quotes and empty cliches.

How can we even call this rebuilding when we bench(pollard)cut(medlock)replace(phinisee)or just plain don't let the young player play (Croyle).

Forget the 5th round kicker - he's irrelevant. Phinisee is even less relevant.

Pollard is the starter. If he plays bad, he will get pulled. That is part of the learning process. We have not given up on him, and he will be back out there. But I also think he needs to play less defensive snaps so we have him ready for special teams duty where he is badly needed.

We need Croyle within a month. I hope we get him this weekend.

Rebuilding does not, however, necessarily mean rookies. It means new players and new schemes.

Because we want to try and win whlie rebuilding. New coach, a lot of new players, you don't get perfect over night.

very true ....... good point

what is so "perfect" about just having the players prepared to run a play?

We're in real trouble now. Herm's snitching on himself.

FAX

I'm done defending him.

When did Herm win 12 games?

I don't know, I don't think these problems were Herm's fault. We had 4 good opportunities in the 4th quarter to score and the players ****ed up: Fumble, interception, blocked field goal, touchdown brought back because of a penalty. These are the things that the coach can't be blamed for. The players have to take some freaking responsibility for this kind of shit. With 4 opportunities like that, I think we can say that the coach had us in a good position to win or at least score and the players blew it.

Irrelevant my ass the fact that Medlock was a 5th round pick makes him relevant. And Drummond has done nothing but fumble a ball miss a tackle and make one tackle. Phinisee had a chance to add a spark drummond will get you 17 yards from the endzone when he fields the ball two yards deep. He is a waste.

I phrased that badly.

My point was that 9-10 wins was the ceiling for those teams considering the division they played in and the fact that Pennington only played 16 games once. Herm had them peaking at the end of the year each time, and they were always a difficult out in December and January.

What was a reasonable expectation for last year's team with Green going down opening day, Roaf retiring in training camp, and James Reed, Kendrell Bell, and Jordan Black starting? I would say Herm did a hell of a job to go 9-7 with those circumstances.

What is the reasonable expectation this year? That we should beat the Bears on the road in week 2? Or that we should improve every week and by the end of the year hopefully be a team competing for a playoff spot and getting ready to be a serious contender with Croyle at QB next year?

i understand ...... and you're right


BUT ..... there seems to be a pattern, under Marty the offensive players just always seemed to under perform and make silly mistakes.

under Dick Vermeil the defensive players seem to under perform and make mistakes.

now again .... under a 'defensive' head coach we seem to have players that aren't prepared.

There are 10-20 players taken ahead of Medlock that have already been cut.

What are we supposed to do? Keep putting up with misses in the hopes that someday he might be able to hit the 45 yarder on poor dirt on the road that the guy off the street made yesterday?

Problem is, the Chiefs aren't rebuilding. They are in a "transition" phase. Herm nor Carl will commit to rebuilding. As said before, if we were rebuilding, why isn't Croyle the starter?

If the Chiefs were rebuilding, I don't think you would see the kind of bitching you do now from the fans. Most would probably except the losses in the hopes that the young kids would be gaining some valuable game xp, and instead of worrying about W-L it would be more about this kids blocking fundamentals, and that kids speed and ball hawking ability. This would build anticipation for next season, but instead, it just looks to be more of the same for the forseeable future.

I agree with you. Herm would have done himself a big favor in terms of perception with the fans if he started the season with Croyle instead of Huard. I hope he makes the move this week.

Yeah, especially when Dunn (who was called for the penalty) was out all of training camp.

I think the offense will eventually come together. It's just that with so many missing pieces for most of training camp, it's going to take longer than the defense. Especially since the Chiefs don't have much depth in certain positions.

The thing I can't understand at this point is "why" the Chiefs go "vanilla" in the preseason. If they're using the same offensive system since 2001, everyone in the league is already familiar with it. Why not PRACTICE that system during the games?

It makes no sense.

He made one and missed one. If we (herm) isn't gonna hold the offense accountable for the preseason then the kicker shouldn't be either, therfore he was cut for missing ONE FG. Great coaching.

Semantics. Herm told the announcers of the game that with all 61 players on the roster (practice squad included), the Chiefs are the youngest team in the league. YOU and I and everyone else here knows the Chiefs are rebuilding but for some reason, they don't want to publicly come out and say it.

Just another ironic move by the front office. They claim to have great and intelligent fans, yet we're not intelligent enough to see a team rebuilding?

Idiots.

Herm got rid of a bad kicker. End of discussion. What one player has to do with another is not relavent.

We can start a new convesation about canning Drummond. I vote yes. But that decision has nothing to do with what happened to a piss poor kicker.

Some people are idiots and can't admit that we have a bad coach that the game has passed him by. He thinks it's 1990 the style of offense he's playing.

He really is a fool.

All those "shifts and motions" seem to have the same effect as Gunther's blitzes--- the other team seems to know what is coming anyway.

While they may be improving on defense, they are regressing in the other two areas (I use last season as well for the barometer).

Just like Vermeil did with the offense, you cannot put that much pressure on your defense to do it all.

nuff said
 

hmmmm

Maybe they do....see Patriots.

Reach...

I don't believe this is true. We were just not ready in September to play good defenses on the road, particularly with Kennison out. But the additions of Bowe (who is still learning the plays) and McIntosh (who played half or less of the snaps) will make this a better offense by the end of the year.

i dont think its as bad as KC is being made out to be in the media. yes the team has some speed needs and yeah the o-line is patch work. But i see alot of talnet on the field,atleast a hell of alot more balanced than in years past.

Seriously would you all be happy for us to win the last 5 games of the year just so we sniff 7-9 or 8-8 football??? And still be out of the playoffs.. Build the team for next year, this year imo is washed..

The team was set up to fail since the start of camp with McIntosh getting hurt and LJ holding out.. It hurt the offense immensely.. That and Herm deciding that the offense should not practice any of their plays during the preseason..

All of the little mistakes that we are making on offense should have been solved in the preseason..

McIntosh isnt that great anyway. but i agree player personel and position responsibilities fall on position coaches.

Whatever you say Herm.

Wait, maybe you're Herm's wife....

1. Pollard was taken out for a time, but was back out there a lot the rest of the game. How is that benched?

2. Medlock was replaced by a 24 year old that is kicking very well. How is that not rebuilding? They found a young guy that can do the job, isn't that part of rebuilding?

3. Phinisee never looked that good. Are you required to go with young guys even if they have no talent just because you are rebuilding?

4. Croyle will play, probably sooner rather than later.

We ran shifts on almost every play under DV. Less penalties than we have now.

Putting aside the penalty, that play with "all the shifts and motions," etc. resulted in a friggin' TD!
Herm always likes to say that the Vermiel offense didn't help out the defense because they'd score too fast. Well, the Herm offense is the same way, except that they don't-score too fast.

In 2006*

I missed those parts of the games... lol

Herm will never throw himself under the bus during the season. He likes his job too much.

Three and out doesnt exactly help the D rest either

Funny how great defenses like the Bears, Ravens, and Raiders can play just fine with almost no help from the offense. You are or you aren't a good defense...

Putting Pollard on the bench for letting a Tackle score a TD is dumb that play works on the best of em. Medlock has made as many FG this year as Rayner. Phinisee looked 100 times better in preseason the Drummond has looked period. Croyle should be playing now hell he should have been playing two weeks ago.

1. No one even knows that Pollard was on the bench because of that. That is pure speculation from another thread. Maybe he was just tired and needed a rest. He played most of the rest of the game. There is no evidence he was benched. You guys are looking for anything to bitch about, and are willing to make stuff up to do it. Pathetic.

2. Rayner made one great kick, and the other was blocked. He hasn't missed one yet. The first kick was right down the middle. Medlock has never made a kick that looked that good since he was drafted.

3. Phinisee was a Hard Knocks creation. He was not that good in camp, but because he got a lot of air time people think he was great. Just like Sippio.

4. I would rather have had Croyle start, but I think most NFL coaches would have gone with Huard under the circumstances. I think Croyle's time is coming soon.

You guys are so intent on bashing everything Herm does that you don't even care about facts.

This is possibly the biggest misconception about that offense. It had the ability to score quickly, but in reality they were in the top 5 in TOP every single year.

If Herm really did say this, then he didn't know anything about the Chiefs offense during that era.

hows this for facts 0-2. And the game plan for every team we play this year is exactly the same. Hes a shitty coach just deal with it.

FYP

Rayner has still only made as many as Medlock you can't dispute that. Pathetic
Phinisee returned the ball well....with out looking it up I know he had more return yards in preseason the Drummond has now.
Croyle should be starting and there are alot of coaches that wouldn't go with Huard or he would have more starts in his 11 year career.

Awesome reply. I feel thoroughly rebutted.

Yup. Herm is completely draconian in offensive philosophy.

Whatever, McIntosh is an ELITE LT that is on his 3rd team and 4 years. Just as GOQUEER, he is up there with Jones, Pace, J. Ogden, roaf types.

Bob Dole supposes that clarifies his master plan. After losing 7 consecutive games, winning the 1 home game of the final 4 this season could be seen as "peaking".

9 other teams are 0-2 as well...... including 2 other playoff teams from last year...

Herm makes Marty look like an offensive genius.

:clap:

U know, I am not much in support of Herm any longer. But you make some great points.

Or possibly cousin. I know he is related because he excuses all of Herm's many faults.

Or possibly cousin. I know he is related because he excuses all of Herm's many faults.

Herm is to Head Coaching as Skip is to Planet posting.

I just don't like the way the guy THINKS about football. I also don't like the way the guy throws concepts that are contrary to his philosophy under the bus.


Ask him which he would rather do:

Win a game 52-7
Win a game 17-7


I promise you that he'd take the 17-7 win. He'd consider the 52 points VULGER. That's right, VULGER! As in, IMMORAL... In fact he wouldn't even answer the question, most likely. He'd say something like, "sure it's great to score a bunch of points, throw it all over the field and take a bunch of chances with the ball... Until they intercept it and run it back for a touchdown, what then? You get up two possessions, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna ice it, take the 'W.' You don't play to score points, you play to win the game."

but Mom all of my friends are jumping off the bridge.

That's what happens when you run all those shifts and motions. You have to be in tune."


Herm is ****ING IDIOT! Why can't he just die or something? :cuss:

You PROMISE that? His record contradicts that. For example:

Oct 6, 2006 Chiefs 41 SF 0 (he didn't ice it that day, huh?)

Nov 1 2004 Jets 41 Miami 14 (he didn't ice it then either)

Dec 5, 2004 Jets 29 Texans 7 (nor then)

Dec 19, 2004 Jets 37 Seattle 14 (three times in one year!)

Oct 12, 2003 Jets 30 Bills 3

Nov 3, 2002 Jets 44 Chargers 13

Nov 17, 200 Jets 31 Lions 14

Nov 24, 2002 Jets 31 Bills 13

Dec 29, 2002 Jets 42 Packers 17

Jan 4, 2003 Wildcard Game Jets 41 Colts 0

Nov 11, 2001 Jets 27 CHIEFS 7

Nov 18, 2001 Jets 24 Miami 0

That is 12 absolute blowouts that he has coached, without shutting down his offense after getting up 2 possessions as you put it.

This is a myth about Herm that history proves wrong.

You need to get a look at Herm's total W/L record instead of cherry picking the highlights. He loses more than he wins. He took over the Jets and got 10 wins. The next year 9 wins. The next year 6 wins. Good coaches improve as they go along. Herm takes a team the other way. He is not HC material. We could use him as a DC but nothing more.

Yes god forbid you have to practice the offense to run it.

ROFL

Dude it is just imbalanced in the opposite direction. Two quality players on an offense LJ and TGonz don't make a balanced team