Start Huard
 

I have pretty much always been in the Croyle camp. I liked the draft pick ... i loved the value of getting him the 3rd round. imo he has very good upside and potiential. He's smart,mobile,has a great arm and his intangibles are top notch. We should of played him instead of Damon Huard when Trent Green got hurt last year from my point of view.

But .........


If this offense is gonna suck this bad from top to bottom... from game plan to dropped passes then i'm not so sure i want a young QB with such good potiential destroy by the process.


We should let Huard get dropped kicks all over the field until our offense stabilizes some. How about making the change after the bye week against Green Bay? I would be all for just waiting to see what's up with McIntosh.

I'd hate to see another young QB get destroyed by martyesqueball

Regular Season
Result Date Opponent Time Network
09/09/07 at Houston Texans 12:00 PM CBS
09/16/07 at Chicago Bears 3:15 PM CBS
09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings 12:00 PM FOX
09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS
10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars 12:00 PM CBS
10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS
10/21/07 at Oakland Raiders 3:05 PM CBS
10/28/07 Bye
11/04/07 Green Bay Packers 12:00 PM FOX
11/11/07 Denver Broncos 12:00 PM CBS
11/18/07 at Indianapolis Colts 12:00 PM CBS*
11/25/07 Oakland Raiders 12:00 PM CBS*
12/02/07 San Diego Chargers 12:00 PM CBS*
12/09/07 at Denver Broncos 3:15 PM CBS*
12/16/07 Tennessee Titans 12:00 PM CBS*
12/23/07 at Detroit Lions 12:00 PM CBS*
12/30/07 at New York Jets 7:15 PM NBC+

I don't even care anymore.

Peyton manning would have gone 5-17 last night with our offensive line.

Without some better OL, especially on the Right Side, I'm not sure Joe Montana in his prime could guide this offense any better.

This OL is just pathetic. Outside of Waters and Casey W., it's a mish-mash of crapola.

I just have a gut feeling Huard is gonna be named the starter. Then that meltdown may rival the current one.

I have that gut feeling as well and I'm gonna be one pissed off Chiefs fan.

I'm about at that point.

Carl's M.O. would be to name Huard the starter. I've resigned myself to watching that happen.

Huard goes home at night & sticks a steak knife in his calf so he won't have to start

I think that the reason a lot of people are struggling with which camp to stand behind is because there are a lot of fans that are in denial of what this team has now become - a youthful team in the rebuilding stage.

If you can manage to convince yourself that this is the case (which it is) and not to expect too many wins and to expect a lot of trials and tribulations, then I think the decision is plain as day - Croyle is the way to go.

If Huard starts we are only delaying the inevitable because we are in denial of what this team is.

Let's let the team build, the youth get more experience, and maybe a couple of years from now we can finally win a damn playoff game.

Bingo

Croyle in the weight room & Huard in the tub soaking away the soreness of getting knocked on his ass several times a game, sounds good to me

I'd rather see Huard get the stuffing knocked out of him for a few games, then insert Croyle to finish the last 10 games or so (if Huard physically makes it that long). Fewer chances for Brodie to have his career ended by injury, or obliterated confidence.

The fans are scurrying off the Chiefs' bandwagon at warp speed. Huard gives them an outside chance to win a game or two early while protecting their "future", what's left of it.

HAAAAAA

ESPN's Sean Salibury said that he would start Huard becuase he is the Vet and he doesnt think Croyle is ready... Then said that he is sure Croyle will be the starter come sept...


I agree with ChiefsFan4Life, I am loving the rebuilding that is happening in KC....

Ehh, I dunno. Where's the budding stars along the OL? Where are the budding stars along the DL? Is Croyle the future, or is he the best we have under the age of 30? Our starting CB's are anything but youthful. Bowe looks promising, but is he going to start, and is he the reason we're not looking better on O?

This shit goes back to our OL. We watched our Cadilac turn into a Chevy Nova in a matter of 2-3 years and didn't do much, if anything, to make it better. Case in Point: Kyle Turley is our starting RT :banghead:

not if Croyle gets killed in the process

building is one thing .... destroying a young QB is another.


how much is Croyle gonna develop when every game is full of dropped passed and sacks?

So are you implying we wait to put Croyle in until the team is good? Isn't that called a QB controversy?

And this will differ from his career at Alabama how?

If anything, Croyle is the perfect QBOTF to overcome the adversities he will face in KC simply because of the crappy deck of cards he was dealt in Bama.

He's already been there, done that.


He'll be fine.

i don't care what it's called


i want what gives Croyle the best chance to develop into our QBoTF.



as you said, we are rebuilding ..... waiting a few games until McIntosh gets back and the OL stabilizes a bit will give Croyle a better chance for success. Just throwing Croyle in there because he's young doesn't make any sense.

really?

and where do you think all his 'history of injuries' comes from?


their offense was sucking and Croyle dam near got killed ..... with the bigger and more violent defense in the NFL they will probably finish the job if we continue to suck.

maybe Herm should do something?

That's gonna happen to whoever we put back there. Remember Trent?

This is the NFL; people get hurt.

Croyle's quick release is the best chance for any of our QBs staying alive this year.

Croyle is the right choice. However, having the worst offensive line in football means we will probably need both.

i'm not worry about Huard staying alive


i'm only concern with the long term success of the team .... imo that means putting Croyle's develop ahead of this years team success.

They said on the radio last night after the game that Brodie Croyle is going to be our starter

Agreed...and im all for starting Croyle.


But after witnessing the meltdown here last night and the Arrowhead crowd reaction, im convinced the fans wont be able to stomach the ups and downs of a first year QB. It could get ugly.


The fans in KC have been spoiled by success. Not playoff success obviously, but in the regular season they have alway been given hope. Its looking more and more like thats not going to be the case this year. This is new for alot of KC fans who started following the team around 89-90.

Im with you Laz, I would start Huard this year.

Because then you always know if the Chiefs start off the season really really bad they can always make that change by going with a young quarterback afterwards. In case the Chiefs are poop, they would have nothing to lose by starting Huard, and then making the change to a young QB. Plus, I don't think Croyle is "exactly" ready. Mind you, his cast around him doesn't help.

But I look at it this way, the Chiefs only hope of winning games this year is by running the ball and playing good defense. That realistically is their only hope of winning games. Outside of that, they ain't gonna win games any other way. And to compliment that, they need a QB who they can ask that doesn't lose them games, just simply come in and play a simple game, don't turn the ball over. And Huard did that last year, he did it admirably.

*Im trying to spin this in a positive way by saying it could be a win-win situation either way by starting Huard this year. But, he is the best fit for their situation.

and just let me say ............. fuck YOU!


if you think so little of Chiefs fans then go root for the faiders beyotch. 4321

Did you not hear the crowd reaction last night??? and its only preseason. Wait till we lose to the Raiders 10-9

Im wondering if McIntosh is gonna make a difference?

Because the way Svitek played last night, geeeeesh he was awful. Im convinced the guy sucks, he should be cut.

Last year a lot of you guys were criticizing Jordan Black? He is 10x better of a player than Svitek is. 10x

i don't care what your reasons are .... if you don't like it then get the hell out.


i'm a Chiefs fan ....... and you just said that i couldn't handle it.


kiss my ass

Spoiled by success? They are spoiled because Carl keeps the team on the edge of contention without taking the risk to build a championship team....

We havent experience anything remotely to success... The Patriots have experienced success recently....

HUH?? I think you misunderstood me?? I was critisizing those fans. Ive been a Chiefs fans since the 70's...Ive lived through alot worse teams than this one.

Thats what i was trying to say here:

The fans in KC have been spoiled by success. Not playoff success obviously, but in the regular season they have alway been given hope

I have to say, this kind of bothers me.

It seems that everybody in the "start Huard" camp, even his #1 fan Hootie, views Huard as some kind of shark bait.

Not condemning it, just seems kind a weird. I wonder how Huard feels about it?

If McIntosh makes it back, we won't be the worst offensive line in football.

I never thought I'd see a LT as horrible as Jordan Black, but Will Svitek is him.

I think McIntosh is gonna make a huge difference.

Hope was clearly erased when we were always out coached and classed in the playoffs...

One could only hope....

"those" fans ...... how do we know who is "those" fans and who is not?

so which fans are you criticizing again?

i mean you said "Chiefs fans" ... which includes everyone on this board.

which includes me



the Chiefs have some the best fans in the world .... smart,loyal,passionate.


i'm sick to death of people trashing my Fan brethren

Sorry, i guess a made a generalization.....my bad.


I meant those fans who were booing last night in the stadium.

Tell them to stop booing at practice then... We might have to get Alan Iverson to do his practice speach for the fans at arrowhead during preseason.

You do realize by your reactions in this thread you're doing anything BUT showing you can "handle" something? LOL

Every fan, of every team in every city says the same exact things.....








Until the team starts losing.....

I don't think Huard fits the team this year. If it is a rebuilding year...what's the better leadership? having a career back up qb or the rookie? I'm thinking the rookie, for the simple reason as they can learn together. It's like having a class of first graders learning to read. Will they listen to the one smart ass kid who sits in the front of the class who thinks he knows everything already?
So, will it suck? at times. will there be mistakes? of course. But they're in it together and learning together. And for the guys who are veterans...they can benefit from teaching and mentoring. Now I'm a novice at this, but I don't think a career back up qb would get that much respect....I don't know.

You mean the ones that were booing a second year QB playing behind a crap o-line and throwing to recievers who have hooks for hands?

edit: Guess I am slow on the draw this morning....

you mean i doing something wrong by defending my fellow Chiefs fans?

so what ..... i don't really care


i just wonder how many people aren't smart enough to realize that these broad criticisms of Chiefs fans INCLUDES THEM. :hmmm:

but he didn't say that ...... did he


besides ... were they booing Croyle or were they booing the offensive line? was it Croyle or was it frustration with what Herm has done with the offense?

of was it booing out of general frustration?



how are you mind reading skills these days?

Go pop a blood vessel yelling at keg in kc then

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....2&postcount=24

Incredible.

And no, that natural male enhancement you are considering isn't going to help you.

hehe ... don't need to

i've been around a long time .... i know bashes the fans at first opportunity and who doesn't.

hehe

that doesn't make much sense .. but it's kinda funny

SOME of our fan brethren DESERVE to be trashed.

some being the key word



*i knew you couldn't stay away for long :p *

ROFL

You're sick to death of seeing your fellow fans trashed, and then you go on to say they're too stupid to realize they're being trashed.

I wonder how many of them ARE smart enough to realize that when we say the fans booing last night only includes the fans that were ACTUALLY BOOING.

It was plainly and obviously inferred.

You're looking for a fight where one doesn't exist.

Look Laz, sorry if i made you mad. But just look at how much people are overreacting already (not everyone, but alot) and its only preseason!


All along, ive been for starting Croyle and all the young players: Bowe, Tank, Turk, etc..


Are they going to make mistakes? Hell yes they will, but thats how they grow and learn. I just wish everyone was a little more patient, but i do understand the frustration. People are tired of Carls 35 year plan.

This is not a good team. Starting Huard just delays the rebuilding yet another year. Give Croyle the ball and see what he can do for a season. This team is going to finish in last place with Huard or Croyle so you might as well let Croyle gain some experience. Any body that thinks starting Huard is going to bump this team into the playoffs isn't paying attention. This team has MAJOR holes on the O line, only one real proven weapon in the passing game and a running back who will be facing 11 guys in the box all year. Not to mention a defense that was less then steller last night, and really even if they are great they will be on the field so much they will be wore out by halftime. Look just be positive about what we can-sure we are going to suck ALOT this year but come feb. 08 we will either have our QBOTF or be in great position to draft one with the #1 pick in the draft.

as usual ... your reading skills are selective at best

i said "i wonder how many ......" i didn't say any ARE stupid


that pretty much leaves it up to a judgement on each individual case.


but keep trying, Mr. Spinmeister.

you're fine, i'm just more irritated than anything.

i'll move on ... forgive and forget after leaving this thread. :)


Chiefs fans broadly trashing Chiefs nation?!? :eek: :shrug:


don't we have enough problems with the general media then to kick each other in the groin all the time?

Agreed. Ill try and word myself a little better next time.

If that were the case, why did you say it?

You said you wonder HOW MANY aren't smart enough. That would imply that some ARE indeed not smart enough.

You made the EXACT SAME verbiage mistake you chastised Deberg for making.

Dito

:clap: :thumb:


if we don't support "us" then what are Peter King, and all those other bums, gonna do?

It is unfortunate.

We need to win a SUPER BOWL!!! :D

not even remotely

Chiefs fans are spoiled = ALL
wonder how many Chiefs fans = completely amount unspecific

inferred, inferred, inferred

Last night's meltdown has made me realize that Carl really is a genious.

He's given Chiefs fans exactly what they want: 9-7 forever...a little bit of hope married to the least amount of risk.

And now, having not even played one regular season game, the Croyle experiment is over. KCJohnny was here last night telling us that Terrell is our best QB and that Croyle is our 4th best.

Fans peeing themselves everywhere. Flooding Carl's voicemail with frantic cries for Huard and 9-7..."Please, Carl!! Huard...9-7...save us!."

Carl understands that in the deepest part of Chief Fan's heart there is a mortal fear of risk, of the unknown. We don't really deserve our own QB, that's something other Franchises get.

So adios Brodie. You had more than enough time in your 50 preseason snaps for us to pass judgment on you and find you wanting. But take heart! You got 49 more snaps more than any other "QBOTF" in Chiefs history.

And now we will wait until we have a great OL...whenever the **** that is. And then, with a great OL we will draft another QB - but only if we have great WRs!...we must have a great OL and great WRs. And in the meantime we have Huard. Next year we can sign another Vet backup QB a la Grbac, a la Green, a la Gannon, a la Huard. They will pacify us with the warm and familiar 9-7 until the perfect moment - that moment when everyone is great and talented and healthy, and that moment will be........

Its really hard to say which way to go. David Carr was ruined by a terrible offense, but it was over several years. Not one bad year. Look at Troy Aikman (1-15), and Peyton Manning (3-13). Not only did they survive one bad year, they bounced back, and both won superbowls. One is in the hall of Fame, and the other will be. Give Croyle the start, he will survive, and we will draft a top 5 OL to protect him next year.

If we did go with Huard, it would be hard for me to be interested in this team at all this year.

It would just be an admission that we might be sort of committed to the future, but not all that committed to the future. That Carl and the rest of the regime still, after 20 years, haven't learned the lesson that we can't keep going through this cycle of mediocrity where we just add a couple players, call it a 'reload', and then try to make the playoffs again.

If we are committed to winning a championship now would be the time to prove it. Winning 8 games this year instead of 4-5-6 gets us not one inch closer to a Super Bowl championship.

hahaha...Brilliant.

I would rather be in it every year because once you get in the big dance anything can happen. Look at the colts ravens and the bucs over the last couple years. They didn't set atchison on fire, but they went out and won anyway

Heh.

We will only play a QBOTF when the rest of the offense is ready to win. But then, we can't afford to start a young'un, can we? We'll need a veteran back there to maximize that great OL and WRs. Why waste all that talent with someone who doesn't know what he's doing?

Vicious circle, ain't it?

in the mind of Parker,Parker,Parker




Blondes are airheads and Jennifer is Blonde

Jennifer must be an airhead



I wonder how many Blondes are airheads?

Jennifer is a Blonde

Jennifer may or may not be an airhead

it's a convenient trap, yes....

Some people are married to the idea that croyle is this young stud that we won't go with. This isn't a 6'6 250 stud drafted in the first round. This is a guy with bad knees, bad mobility, and a worse haircut.

Wow! that was brilliant! Outstanding....

Nobody runs for his life better than Casey Printers. It's a shame this dude fumbles so much. KC's garbage offensive line is not going to do Huard's wagon wheels any good. Brodie Croyle is obviously not ready to win football games... his receivers dont help him much either. I think all 3 of these guys will lead KC to a losing record. I was pulling for Croyle.. and Huard is probably best choice.. but I wanna see Printers.

I'm done fighting about it, but your analysis is flawed.

You wouldn't be wondering HOW MANY blondes are airheads if you hadn't already MADE THE ASSUMPTION that at least SOME are.

There is NO WAY to wonder how many Chiefs fans aren't smart enough and simultaneously say that NO fans aren't smart enough.