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Rain Man 05-22-2006 12:09 PM

Which of the following countries do you think has the most Main Battle Tanks?
 
I just bought a copy of "The Military Balance", which is published by the International Institute of Strategic Studies. This book contains the entire known inventory of every military in the world, including troops, equipment, planes, etc. It's probably the best reference book in the history of the world.

Poll coming.

As a bonus question, rank the above countries from 1st through 13th in terms of the number of Main Battle Tanks they own. I'll pass along hints about the number that each guesser gets right.

trndobrd 05-22-2006 12:37 PM

Modern MBTs or are you including rebuilt Shermans and T-34s?

Rain Man 05-22-2006 12:40 PM

It appears that they go back to the T-54/M-47 era, but not older.

CosmicPal 05-22-2006 12:45 PM

Tunisia
Iran
Bulgaria
Uraguay
Uganda
Kenya
Croatia
Togo
Bangladesh
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand (doesn't have any)

HC_Chief 05-22-2006 12:47 PM

lol T-54s

To the uninitiated, sheer quantity may shock into fearful submission; as the case of Gulf War I. People lamented and wailed the vast armies and tank forces available to Sodamn Insane. heh, those people soon learned that quality > quantity.

I'll take a small/medium force of M1s, Challengers, LeClercs, or Leopards over a vast army of T-72s & T-80s ANY day! :D

Rain Man 05-22-2006 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal
Tunisia
Iran
Bulgaria
Uraguay
Uganda
Kenya
Croatia
Togo
Bangladesh
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand (doesn't have any)

You have placed 1 country in the proper ranking (and you're missing Norway, by the way). We're off to a nice start.

CosmicPal 05-22-2006 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man
You have placed 1 country in the proper ranking (and you're missing Norway, by the way). We're off to a nice start.

Pffft.

OK..which one?

rad 05-22-2006 12:54 PM

Iran
Kenya
Tunisia

CosmicPal 05-22-2006 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal
Tunisia
Iran
Bulgaria
Uraguay
Uganda
Kenya
Croatia
Togo
Bangladesh
Netherlands
Canada
New Zealand (doesn't have any)

OK...new list.

Kenya
Iran
Uganda
Uruguay
Croatia
Tunisia
Bulgaria
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:04 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal
OK...new list.

Kenya
Iran
Uganda
Uruguay
Croatia
Tunisia
Bulgaria
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
New Zealand

This time, you placed 1 unit correctly. Since we have now had two correct guesses, I will reveal that New Zealand is indeed ranked 13th. The nation has no Main Battle Tanks, which I found kind of surprising.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:08 PM

New rules: you have to rank all 13, and I will tell you how many are correct. Once a nation has been correctly guessed twice, I'll reveal the nation and its rank.

Dartgod 05-22-2006 01:09 PM

I'll take a stab...

Bulgaria
Croatia
Iran
Uganda
Canada
Kenya
Tunisia
Uruguay
Netherlands
Norway
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:11 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod
I'll take a stab...

Bulgaria
Croatia
Iran
Uganda
Canada
Kenya
Tunisia
Uruguay
Netherlands
Norway
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

I am pleased to say that you got 1 correct - New Zealand.

Dartgod 05-22-2006 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man
I am pleased to say that you got 1 correct - New Zealand.

Tied for first. YES!!!

Hammock Parties 05-22-2006 01:13 PM

This thread doesn't have a very large target demographic.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Norway
New Zealand

Ooh, nice start. We're up to three - New Zealand and two others.

rad 05-22-2006 01:14 PM

Iran
Kenya
Tunisia
Uraguay
Uganda
Croatia
Bangladesh
Togo
Canada
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs
This thread doesn't have a very large target demographic.

Niche threads can be valuable, too. And if you someday find yourself leading a democracy protest in Togo, you'll wish you had participated.

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:18 PM

Norway
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Iran
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
Iran
Kenya
Tunisia
Uraguay
Uganda
Croatia
Bangladesh
Togo
Canada
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands
New Zealand

Two correct, and I can now report that we've got the #1 and #13 spots locked in.

You've got to love Iran's lineup. It's a maintenance nightmare. They've got Soviet, British, American, and I think Chinese and native Iranian tanks across several eras.

540 T-54/55 and PRC-59,
75 T-62,
480 T-72,
100 Chieftain Mk 3/5,
168 M-47/48,
150 M-60A1,
approx. 100 Zulfiqar

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Norway
Bulgaria
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Iran
New Zealand

Uh-oh. Back down to two.

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:22 PM

Iran
Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Bulgaria
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:25 PM



Still at two with this one, but I should have revealed that two correct picks have been made for Bulgaria at the #2 spot.

Bulgaria has had consistent buying patterns.

1042 T-55
432 T-72

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
Bulgaria
New Zealand


Still at two. I hope you're mapping out the math.

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:29 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria

Norway
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
Bangladesh
New Zealand

Holding steady at 3.

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:33 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Norway
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

rad 05-22-2006 01:35 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Togo
Tunisia
Kenya
Croatia
Uganda
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
Bangladesh
Uraguay
NZ

banyon 05-22-2006 01:36 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria

Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Canada
Netherlands
Kenya
Uruguay
Norway
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Bumped up to 4.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
Iran
Bulgaria
Togo
Tunisia
Kenya
Croatia
Uganda
Norway
Canada
Netherlands
Bangladesh
Uraguay
NZ

Also at 4.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon
Iran
Bulgaria

Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand


Ooh. Up to 7 in a quantum leap, and I can now reveal that Togo is indeed #12.

Don't mess with Togo and their 2 T-54/55 tanks.

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:45 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Norway
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria

Canada
Netherlands
Uganda
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Norway
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Back down to 5, but you've nailed down the loveable Dutch. Netherlands is indeed ranked #4, with what I think are German purchases.

25 Leopard 1
258 Leopard 2

HC_Chief 05-22-2006 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man
Back down to 5, but you've nailed down the loveable Dutch. Netherlands is indeed ranked #4, with what I think are German purchases.

25 Leopard 1
258 Leopard 2

Wow.... I'm surprised The Netherlands has that large an armored force!

Solid force at that... the Leopard is a mightly MBT

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Wow.... I'm surprised The Netherlands has that large an armored force!

Solid force at that... the Leopard is a mightly MBT

I was a bit surprised, too, given their location. Their only even matchup would probably be Belgium.

ChiefaRoo 05-22-2006 01:51 PM

Bulgaria
Iran
Norway

Logical 05-22-2006 01:53 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands

Canada
Tunisia
Uganda
Croatia
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Kenya
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:53 PM

Per the rules, you must rank all 13.

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:55 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Bangladesh
Netherlands
Canada
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Uganda
Togo
New Zealand



Obviously, Bangladesh deserves more credit than I was giving them.

patteeu 05-22-2006 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Wow.... I'm surprised The Netherlands has that large an armored force!

Solid force at that... the Leopard is a mightly MBT

They were probably preparing to do their part in the big NATO/Warsaw Pact tank battles in the Fulda Gap.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logical
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Netherlands

Canada
Tunisia
Uganda
Croatia
Uruguay
Bangladesh
Kenya
Togo
New Zealand

Back up to 6, and we have now slotted Uganda in the #7 spot, with many more tanks than I would've expected. Old Soviet tanks must be sweltering in the jungle.

Uganda - 152 T-54/T-55

Rain Man 05-22-2006 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria

Bangladesh
Netherlands
Canada
Uruguay
Norway
Croatia
Tunisia
Kenya
Uganda
Togo
New Zealand



Obviously, Bangladesh deserves more credit than I was giving them.

Back up to 7, but Bangladesh was not one of them.

We now have Tunisia in the #9 spot and Kenya in the #10 spot.

Tunisia 54 M-60A3 and 30 M-60A1 (Always buy American)

Kenya 78 Vicker Mk 3 (Always buy American unless you're a former British colony)

Kylo Ren 05-22-2006 02:00 PM

Geeeeeeeeeesh. This could take forever. I just want the answer. I like this thread Rainman. I fit into this niche.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan
Geeeeeeeeeesh. This could take forever. I just want the answer. I like this thread Rainman. I fit into this niche.

They almost have it nailed down. Only five more.

After this, maybe I'll look at who has the most submarines. I love these types of stats.

patteeu 05-22-2006 02:08 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Croatia
Netherlands
Norway
Canada
Uganda
Bangladesh
Tunisia
Kenya

Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Kylo Ren 05-22-2006 02:08 PM

My guess was:
Iran
Croatia
Uganda

I chose Iran for obvious reasons. I picked the other two only because those are troubled nations that have been in a civil war recently.

rad 05-22-2006 02:10 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Neth.
Croatia
Bang.
Uganda
Canada
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

Logical 05-22-2006 02:11 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Uruguay
Tunisia
Kenya

Bandladesh
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria

Croatia
Netherlands
Norway
Canada
Uganda
Bangladesh
Tunisia
Kenya

Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Up to 10, and I'll bet you finish it off within two more guesses.

Croatia is indeed #3, and Uruguay is indeed #11

Croatia must have got all of the tanks when Yugoslavia broke up: 222 T-55, 66 M-84, 3 T-72M (What's an M-84?)

Uruguay must not be expecting any trouble: 15 T-55

rad 05-22-2006 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logical
Iran
Bulgaria

Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Uruguay
Tunisia
Kenya

Togo
New Zealand

Hey Vlad, you left out Bangladesh.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logical
Iran
Bulgaria

Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Uruguay
Tunisia
Kenya

Bandladesh
Togo
New Zealand

10. We're almost there.

Logical 05-22-2006 02:16 PM

Iran
Bulgaria

Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Bandladesh
Tunisia
Kenya

Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
Iran
Bulgaria
Norway
Neth.
Croatia
Bang.
Uganda
Canada
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

10. I bet the next guess wins it.

patteeu 05-22-2006 02:18 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands

Norway
Bangladesh
Uganda
Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logical
Iran
Bulgaria

Croatia
Netherlands
Canada
Norway
Uganda
Bandladesh
Tunisia
Kenya

Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

11. Getting warmer...Getting warmer.

Norway is #6 with 165 Leopard tanks.

rad 05-22-2006 02:18 PM

Iran
Bulg
Cro.
Neth.
Can.
Nor.
Ugan.
Bang.
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands

Norway
Bangladesh
Uganda
Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

10, and we're playing musical chairs with the last spots.

patteeu 05-22-2006 02:20 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands

Bangladesh
Norway
Uganda

Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
Iran
Bulg
Cro.
Neth.
Can.
Nor.
Ugan.
Bang.
Tun.
Ken.
Urag.
Togo
NZ

11. We're spinning, spinning, spinning!

rad 05-22-2006 02:21 PM

Iran
bulg
cro
neth
bang
nor
ugand
can
tun
ken
urag
togo
nz

Logical 05-22-2006 02:23 PM

Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia

Netherlands
Bangladesh
Norway
Uganda

Canada
Tunisia
Kenya

Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Iran
Bulgaria
Croatia
Netherlands

Bangladesh
Norway
Uganda

Canada
Tunisia
Kenya
Uruguay
Togo
New Zealand

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Bangladesh is indeed rated #5, with 80 PRC Type 59/69 and 100 T-54/55s. (Are the PRCs Chinese? I presume so.)

Canada actually has fewer tanks than Uganda and Bangladesh, though I'd wager on Canada in fight between the three of them. Canada has 114 Leopard C2 tanks. (Canada buys German? How odd.)

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:25 PM

Here's the full list. I find the numbers to be interesting, as well as the places where the tanks have been bought.

Iran 540 T-54/55 and PRC-59, 75 T-62, 480 T-72, 100 Chieftain Mk 3/5, 168 M-47/48, 150 M-60A1, approx. 100 Zulfiqar
Bulgaria 1042 T-55 and 432 T-72
Croatia 222 T-55, 66 M-84, 3 T-72M
Netherlands 25 Leopard 1 and 258 Leopard 2
Bangladesh 80 PRC Type 59/69 and 100 T-54/55
Norway 165 Leopard
Uganda 152 T-54/T-55
Canada 114 Leopard C2
Tunisia 54 M-60A3 and 30 M-60A1
Kenya 78 Vicker Mk 3
Uruguay 15 T-55
Togo 2 T-54/55
New Zealand None

rad 05-22-2006 02:26 PM

Dang! Got me by 1 min!

Logical 05-22-2006 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man
..Canada has 114 Leopard C2 tanks. (Canada buys German? How odd.)

I think Leopards are considered slightly better and slightly less expensive, however I would think shipping costs would overcome the difference. Interesting.

Logical 05-22-2006 02:28 PM

Thanks Kevin that was amusing

rad 05-22-2006 02:29 PM

I think it's odd that Canada has 113 more tanks than they actually need......

patteeu 05-22-2006 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man
Here's the full list. I find the numbers to be interesting, as well as the places where the tanks have been bought.

Iran 540 T-54/55 and PRC-59, 75 T-62, 480 T-72, 100 Chieftain Mk 3/5, 168 M-47/48, 150 M-60A1, approx. 100 Zulfiqar
Bulgaria 1042 T-55 and 432 T-72
Croatia 222 T-55, 66 M-84, 3 T-72M
Netherlands 25 Leopard 1 and 258 Leopard 2
Bangladesh 80 PRC Type 59/69 and 100 T-54/55
Norway 165 Leopard
Uganda 152 T-54/T-55
Canada 114 Leopard C2
Tunisia 54 M-60A3 and 30 M-60A1
Kenya 78 Vicker Mk 3
Uruguay 15 T-55
Togo 2 T-54/55
New Zealand None

Bangladesh was definitely further up the list than I expected. It looks to me like the foreign sales guys at General Dynamics need to get on the ball.

Kylo Ren 05-22-2006 02:30 PM

OK. Now someone needs to answer the next obvious question.

Why?

cdcox 05-22-2006 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad
I think it's odd that Canada has 113 more tanks than they actually need......

I'll bet they are more for riot control than defending their own borders.

patteeu 05-22-2006 02:31 PM

Thanks for the thread, Rain Man. Good job, rad and Vlad.

JBucc 05-22-2006 02:32 PM

Cool. Well I'm off to attack New Zealand now.

banyon 05-22-2006 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu
Thanks for the thread, Rain Man. Good job, rad and Vlad.

hey, where's my good job? :shrug:

I bumped up the count from 4 to 7 in one try. :sulk:

rad 05-22-2006 02:33 PM

Yeah that was fun , good thread RM

rad 05-22-2006 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon
hey, where's my good job? :shrug:

I bumped up the count from 4 to 7 in one try. :sulk:

Oh yeah that's right, you did!

What happened towards the end, you kinda slacked off.

Rain Man 05-22-2006 02:43 PM

Holy Moses. Israel has 3,090 Main Battle Tanks:

300 M-60/A1
600 M-60/A3
186 Magach 7 (Native Israeli?)
114 Ti 67 (T-54/55)
100 T-62
1,790 Merkava I/II/III/IV

I'm betting they didn't pay for those Soviet tanks.

cdcox 05-22-2006 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man
Holy Moses. Israel has 3,090 Main Battle Tanks:

300 M-60/A1
600 M-60/A3
186 Magach 7 (Native Israeli?)
114 Ti 67 (T-54/55)
100 T-62
1,790 Merkava I/II/III/IV

I'm betting they didn't pay for those Soviet tanks.


This might be of interest:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/index.asp


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