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Pitt Gorilla 07-25-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9834912)
yep, it truly is a brutal position. You don't even have to dig up miracle Disney stories, we are JUST CLOSE enough to where you can find several examples just in the last decade where the fans would go "But but but, the 20XX (teamnames) came back from that much!"

The Royals probably should give up, but they can't. We have done JUST BARELY ENOUGH so that giving up right now would be a disaster. Even as a logical baseball fan who would probably be fine with it, even I can feel it. I honestly, truly do not want to trade Santana. I just do not want to do it, even though I know we should...

Given the pick we'd likely get for him after the season, I'm not sure I'd deal him either. Of course, if they get blown away with an offer...

mr. tegu 07-25-2013 11:08 PM

They will make a feel good, underdogs, comeback miracle movie about this season after the things we do these next three months.

It's got it all. The star player finally figuring it out. The magic sauce. The legend returning. The rookie nobody really wanted at first because the rookie we really wanted got traded. The absolute low point in the season where no one was good for a month. Parting ways with the "nice" guy with a "nice" smile. The constant struggle of one run games. The script is writing itself. This move will have a better ending than Moneyball.

SPchief 07-25-2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9834912)
yep, it truly is a brutal position. You don't even have to dig up miracle Disney stories, we are JUST CLOSE enough to where you can find several examples just in the last decade where the fans would go "But but but, the 20XX (teamnames) came back from that much!"

The Royals probably should give up, but they can't. We have done JUST BARELY ENOUGH so that giving up right now would be a disaster. Even as a logical baseball fan who would probably be fine with it, even I can feel it. I honestly, truly do not want to trade Santana. I just do not want to do it, even though I know we should...

1 week ago I would have agreed to trade off Santana and bring up Duffy. Now you can't bail out. Keep him, get the comp pick and hope the team goes on a run. Davies on the mound against Sale on Saturday could hopefully be his last straw. Bring up Duffy, put Daivies in the pen, hope and pray they can swindle someone to trade for Hoch. Give Zimmerman a few more weeks in AA and put him in Omaha. If he continues, he would be a great addition in September.

ChiefsCountry 07-25-2013 11:37 PM

Royals need to be buyers and sellers. Look for a blockbuster deal for any of our current players while trying to field a team that win the rest of the year, while building next year's squad. I know a bunch of you will piss and moan about it, but **** off we need some wins.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-25-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9835197)
They will make a feel good, underdogs, comeback miracle movie about this season after the things we do these next three months.

It's got it all. The star player finally figuring it out. The magic sauce. The legend returning. The rookie nobody really wanted at first because the rookie we really wanted got traded. The absolute low point in the season where no one was good for a month. Parting ways with the "nice" guy with a "nice" smile. The constant struggle of one run games. The script is writing itself. This move will have a better ending than Moneyball.

Haha.

That sounds really awesome, actually.

Cephalic Trauma 07-26-2013 12:47 AM

How about kelly johnson at second next year? Affordable and he has 15 hrs this year.

Demonpenz 07-26-2013 06:24 AM

So I think we won't hear the phrase "Mathmatically eliminated" until the last week. That is kinda cool.

TLO 07-26-2013 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9835197)
They will make a feel good, underdogs, comeback miracle movie about this season after the things we do these next three months.

It's got it all. The star player finally figuring it out. The magic sauce. The legend returning. The rookie nobody really wanted at first because the rookie we really wanted got traded. The absolute low point in the season where no one was good for a month. Parting ways with the "nice" guy with a "nice" smile. The constant struggle of one run games. The script is writing itself. This move will have a better ending than Moneyball.

That was beautiful mr tegu.

Archie F. Swin 07-26-2013 07:39 AM

you have to think there will be a 2-3 week period where Butler, Moose, Grodon and Escobar will go on hitting streaks.

RockChalk 07-26-2013 08:05 AM

So a few days ago it was said (on 810 & twitter, maybe on here as well) that Boston scouts were looking at Hoch. Would you trade him off for Middlebrooks? He can play any infield position and has some pop. It would for sure be a flyer, but he would be better than Getz/EJ platoon. Or do we pretty much already have Middlebrooks in the form of Gio?

Just was screwing around with the ESPN trade app and thought of him for some reason. Serves two purposes..gets rid of Hoch and gives us a different option than Getz

duncan_idaho 07-26-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 9835421)
So a few days ago it was said (on 810 & twitter, maybe on here as well) that Boston scouts were looking at Hoch. Would you trade him off for Middlebrooks? He can play any infield position and has some pop. It would for sure be a flyer, but he would be better than Getz/EJ platoon. Or do we pretty much already have Middlebrooks in the form of Gio?

Just was screwing around with the ESPN trade app and thought of him for some reason. Serves two purposes..gets rid of Hoch and gives us a different option than Getz

Uh, yes, if I could get Middlebrooks for Hoch, I do it in a second.

I don't see any defensive records for him anywhere but 3B, though. Don't think he really is an option at SS or 2B.

Middlebrooks is a far superior prospect to Gio. Former top 50ish prospect who hit .288/.325/.500 in about 1/2 a season last year.

siberian khatru 07-26-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 9835421)
So a few days ago it was said (on 810 & twitter, maybe on here as well) that Boston scouts were looking at Hoch. Would you trade him off for Middlebrooks? He can play any infield position and has some pop. It would for sure be a flyer, but he would be better than Getz/EJ platoon. Or do we pretty much already have Middlebrooks in the form of Gio?

Just was screwing around with the ESPN trade app and thought of him for some reason. Serves two purposes..gets rid of Hoch and gives us a different option than Getz

I think Middlebrooks is far more likely to go in a deal for a SP. Can't imagine they'd give him up for Hoch.

Unless you think the Sox see Hoch as a starter. :D

RockChalk 07-26-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9835442)
Uh, yes, if I could get Middlebrooks for Hoch, I do it in a second.

I don't see any defensive records for him anywhere but 3B, though. Don't think he really is an option at SS or 2B.

Middlebrooks is a far superior prospect to Gio. Former top 50ish prospect who hit .288/.325/.500 in about 1/2 a season last year.

For some reason I had it in my mind that he played some 2B/SS in limited duty last year. Must be wishful thinking for anyone to play other than Getz

Chiefspants 07-26-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9835459)
I think Middlebrooks is far more likely to go in a deal for a SP. Can't imagine they'd give him up for Hoch.

Unless you think the Sox see Hoch as a starter. :D

We could throw in Chen, Mendoza and Getz as added bonuses.

They would be tough to part with, but I think I could live with that trade in the end.

:D

Bowser 07-26-2013 11:57 AM

This is the struggling Royals fan in me saying this - I have a real fear that we are going to lose the series against the Sox, if not get outright swept. Why? Because Royals, that's why.

Tytanium 07-26-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9835849)
This is the struggling Royals fan in me saying this - I have a real fear that we are going to lose the series against the Sox, if not get outright swept. Why? Because Royals, that's why.

Sox can't figure out Bruce Chen, so I think we'll at least take one.

mr. tegu 07-26-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9835849)
This is the struggling Royals fan in me saying this - I have a real fear that we are going to lose the series against the Sox, if not get outright swept. Why? Because Royals, that's why.

Didn't you hear? They are making a movie of this season. We probably win the next six.

Bowser 07-26-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9835932)
Didn't you hear? They are making a movie of this season. We probably win the next six.

Well hell, let me drop this w00t right here then!

ChiefsCountry 07-26-2013 12:36 PM

Royals are 4-5 against the White Sox this year. 7-3 against the Twins.

Cephalic Trauma 07-26-2013 01:02 PM

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Clubs that have checked in with the Royals say Santana is only available for a huge payout. The Royals have openly told the shoppers they've talked to that the only way they'll move Santana is if they "win the deal," and that means they want a second baseman and/or right fielder who can start for them in 2014. Despite their situation, the Royals are telling everyone their priority is to win as many games as possible this season, not cut payroll.
:)

GloryDayz 07-26-2013 01:39 PM

I just wanted to let you all know you are awesome people and great fans...

Rock on doodes - best city and people ever!

GloryDayz 07-26-2013 01:40 PM

I just wanted to let you all know you are awesome people and great fans...

Rock on doodes - best city and people ever!

Kidd Lex 07-26-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9836117)
I just wanted to let you all know you are awesome people and great fans...

Rock on doodes - best city and people ever!

Q

mr. tegu 07-26-2013 10:20 PM

That's four in a row!

Sure-Oz 07-26-2013 11:54 PM

This would be the good time for that 15-5 stretch that GMDM keeps saying this team can run...

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-27-2013 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9837525)
This would be the good time for that 15-5 stretch that GMDM keeps saying this team can run...

Or a 20-0? Please... let us bet that team.

Edit: damnit forgot about wade davies.

Three7s 07-27-2013 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9836031)
:)

Fire the clown yesterday.

BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9836114)
I just wanted to let you all know you are awesome people and great fans...

Rock on doodes - best city and people ever!




I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 06:51 AM

Wade Davies tonight. Ice pick ,please.

GloryDayz 07-27-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9837609)
Wade Davies tonight. Ice pick ,please.

They need to give him the hook as quickly as the first earned run crosses the plate.

SPATCH 07-27-2013 07:40 AM

David Lough is starting to remind me of Aaron Guiel in 2003.

Guiel seemed like a suitable temporary solution in the outfield until we could bring in somebody better. But, months later, we all slowly started to realize that he was one of the most important players on the team.

BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9837635)
They need to give him the hook as quickly as the first earned run crosses the plate.

A better option would be to not run him out there in the first place. But, I don't know how to replace him right now. I don't have that answer. Wish I did.

Nightfyre 07-27-2013 07:43 AM

Danny Duffy should be up already unless there is some mlb service time issue. I would also be fasttracking zimmer. Stretching out will smith is another viable option for 2014. Also, we could look at stretching out coleman and/or crow next year.

GloryDayz 07-27-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9837637)
A better option would be to not run him out there in the first place. But, I don't know how to replace him right now. I don't have that answer. Wish I did.

There is no answer right now, and to complicate matters we have the DM/NY stubbornness thing to deal with. That being said, as they approach .500 again, one has to wonder if they are might be tired of the floggings they get when their favorite players blow it (again). That doesn't mean they have an alternative as a starter, but it might mean that the hook might come much sooner. It'll add wear on the bullpen, but if it's for one game (and they bring somebody up), it might be worth it.

BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9837649)
There is no answer right now, and to complicate matters we have the DM/NY stubbornness thing to deal with. That being said, as they approach .500 again, one has to wonder if they are might be tired of the floggings they get when their favorite players blow it (again). That doesn't mean they have an alternative as a starter, but it might mean that the hook might come much sooner. It'll add wear on the bullpen, but if it's for one game (and they bring somebody up), it might be worth it.

True enough. I will just avert my eyes tonight while watching Kyle, I mean Wade. My bad.

TLO 07-27-2013 08:14 AM

Why is Duffy not an option at this point?

siberian khatru 07-27-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9837609)
Wade Davies tonight. Ice pick ,please.

Just consider him the sacrifice to Chris Sale. I'd rather lose to Sale with my worst pitcher and save the others for better matchups.

Deberg_1990 07-27-2013 08:37 AM

What about Yordano Ventura? Is he ready?

Bambi 07-27-2013 09:06 AM

Rays are 22-9 since Wil Myers has been in uniform.

Tim Kirchen just called them the best Rays team ever.

Infidel Goat 07-27-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9837759)
Rays are 22-9 since Wil Myers has been in uniform.

Tim Kirchen just called them the best Rays team ever.

Passan tweeted that Myers has seven straight multihit games which has only been done 6 times in Royals history.

TLO 07-27-2013 09:15 AM

Will Myers. FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP.

Deberg_1990 07-27-2013 09:18 AM

It's why Myers absolutely should have been kept. You can't expect every prospect to work out. The odds were at least one of Moose and Hosmer would fail. The more prospects the better.

BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 9837771)
Will Myers. FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP.

Santana for Meyers

Sure-Oz 07-27-2013 09:28 AM

I don't even think Will Smith is starting in AAA right now, which he should be.

I'd think if they trade Santana you could bring up Duffy (even though he hasnt looked good yet imo) and/or Will Smith to add to the rotation. Davis inevitably will be put in the pen

TLO 07-27-2013 09:33 AM

Why is everyone so high on Will Smith all the sudden?

Bambi 07-27-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 9837769)
Passan tweeted that Myers has seven straight multihit games which has only been done 6 times in Royals history.

I didn't think I'd be one of those people to follow so closely as to the result of GMDM's big move.

But Myers has been so good it's impossible not to watch.

Sure-Oz 07-27-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 9837799)
Why is everyone so high on Will Smith all the sudden?

His strike out #'s have been much higher and his era has been cut in half from last year. he actually is getting lefties out as well. I feel he could easily take Davis spot right now and do much much better.

i just don't get why they've taken him out of the AAA rotation, he was doing fine

TLO 07-27-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9837806)
His strike out #'s have been much higher and his era has been cut in half from last year. he actually is getting lefties out as well. I feel he could easily take Davis spot right now and do much much better.

i just don't get why they've taken him out of the AAA rotation, he was doing fine

:thumb:

siberian khatru 07-27-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9837805)
I didn't think I'd be one of those people to follow so closely as to the result of GMDM's big move.

But Myers has been so good it's impossible not to watch.

I check his boxscore every day. :(

Demonpenz 07-27-2013 10:06 AM

The Royals should go for it this year. Chances are this is the closest the Royals are going to get. They are due 5 Tommy Johns and 3 lasik surgery's in the offseason.

ChiTown 07-27-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9837879)
I check his boxscore every day. :(

Meh. Given our luck, if he was still in a Royals uni and playing with the Big Club, he'd be hitting .230 and probably would be a hot mess in RF. He's dead to me.

Cephalic Trauma 07-27-2013 10:14 AM

What about Chris Dwyer? Is he an option?

Demonpenz 07-27-2013 10:15 AM

James Shields last night was what this whole team needed. A dude who refuses to back down.

DeezNutz 07-27-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9837879)
I check his boxscore every day. :(

Ditto. Damn near makes me physically sick.

ChiTown 07-27-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9837897)
What about Chris Dwyer? Is he an option?

He's having a pretty solid season. His WHIP and ERA are very good this year. He's been pretty solid in Omaha. He's certainly a candidate for September call ups, and he's absolutely on the radar for 2014 Spring. He's definitely a back of the rotation guy.

ChiTown 07-27-2013 10:33 AM

FYI

It's Wade Davis v Chris Sale tonight...:eek:

Sux 8
Royales with Cheese 1

Cephalic Trauma 07-27-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9837916)
He's having a pretty solid season. His WHIP and ERA are very good this year. He's been pretty solid in Omaha. He's certainly a candidate for September call ups, and he's absolutely on the radar for 2014 Spring. He's definitely a back of the rotation guy.

Yeah, he can't be much worse than Davis, right? Why isn't he an option right now?

Kidd Lex 07-27-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9837902)
Ditto. Damn near makes me physically sick.

He's also struck out 33 times, or 1 out of every 4 times he steps in the box. I was very much against the trade, but it remains to be decided if we were winners or losers.

What?!

Wade Davies era is what??! **** you GMDM!! :cuss:

BlackHelicopters 07-27-2013 11:56 AM

Rays have won 20 of 23.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-27-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9837640)
Danny Duffy should be up already unless there is some mlb service time issue. I would also be fasttracking zimmer. Stretching out will smith is another viable option for 2014. Also, we could look at stretching out coleman and/or crow next year.

Word. There's gotta be a better option. The Royals are basically waving the white flag every time they trot Davies out there at this point.

ChiTown 07-27-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9838087)
Word. There's gotta be a better option. The Royals are basically waving the white flag every time they trot Davies out there at this point.

Davies = Davis in so many awful ways

lewdog 07-27-2013 12:03 PM

I don't know how anyone can declare Myers a stud already? How quickly we forget what Moose and Hoz did when they hit the MLB stage. One has regrouped a bit since then but the other is lying flat on his face.

Prison Bitch 07-27-2013 12:51 PM

New rule: anyone who brings up Myers must also bring up Lough. Who is batting over .300 and playing excellent defense in RF as proven by the advanced metrics. Not sure how long Lough will continue it but if he's really another DeJesus.....does it matter if we gave up a Mike Cameron?

DeezNutz 07-27-2013 01:43 PM

I'd feel a lot better about Lough if his OBP weren't so dependent upon his average.

Sure-Oz 07-27-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9837902)
Ditto. Damn near makes me physically sick.

He's starting in the OF over Josh Hamilton in my fantasy team :( im reminded hes awesome

Sure-Oz 07-27-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9838348)
I'd feel a lot better about Lough if his OBP weren't so dependent upon his average.

I'd feel better if he was Adam Jones who is batting like .290 with a .316 obp but 22 HR

DeezNutz 07-27-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9838374)
I'd feel better if he was Adam Jones who is batting like .290 with a .316 obp but 22 HR

Yeah, that's a good point. Dude never walks.

Regardless, Lough has been more than adequate stepping in for Dayton's son.

ChiefsCountry 07-27-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9838081)
Rays have won 20 of 23.

14 of those 23 were against the Astros, Twins, and White Sox. Royals have a similar stretch right now.

ChiefsCountry 07-27-2013 02:00 PM

I would feel a lot better if Lough was the 4th outfielder though.

sedated 07-27-2013 02:37 PM

Royals fans continuing to hate on a player pulling his weight (no pun intended)

siberian khatru 07-27-2013 02:41 PM

A Regrettable Trade

Prison Bitch 07-27-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9838402)
I would feel a lot better if Lough was the 4th outfielder though.

Why? In 1/3 of a season (he has 200 pa now) he's put up an impressive 1.4 war. Projected out that's a 4 war player. For league minimum too!

JohnnyV13 07-27-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9837705)
What about Yordano Ventura? Is he ready?

No. Ventura is still walking too many. More importantly, Ventura can't last deep into games. He often only lasts 5 innings in a start while burning up a lot of pitches.

He's close though. The stuff is there and the fastball is plus plus.

Prison Bitch 07-27-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9838348)
I'd feel a lot better about Lough if his OBP weren't so dependent upon his average.

Fortunately his fielding is excellent and not a threat to disappear.

Deberg_1990 07-27-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9838501)

I concur with every word. And I can't stand JoPo.

SAUTO 07-27-2013 02:54 PM

Santana is a "fringe 3 or number 4" ? Is Hamas nuts?
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CaliforniaChief 07-27-2013 03:02 PM

On paper, this is one of the most lopsided matchups all year. While I'd love to win and keep rolling, I almost want Davis to stand out as the sore thumb that he is so we can bring up Duffy or even Zimmer.

JohnnyV13 07-27-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9837787)
I don't even think Will Smith is starting in AAA right now, which he should be.

I'd think if they trade Santana you could bring up Duffy (even though he hasnt looked good yet imo) and/or Will Smith to add to the rotation. Davis inevitably will be put in the pen

I think they moved Smith to the pen because they have better prospects for the rotation.

Right now, there will be a lot of candidates for 2014 rotation spots. Shields and Guthrie are givens. After them, you have:

Yordano Ventura
Kyle Zimmer
Danny Duffy
Felipe Paulino
Chris Dwyer
Luke Hochevar -- I KNOW, I know, but I guarantee you that Moore looks at him as a rotation candidate. I think their whole strategy for dealing with Hoch this season is to improve his confidence with runners on base.

And, that's excluding Davis whom you know DM thinks is a starting candidate as well.

DeezNutz 07-27-2013 03:20 PM

Longoria was hitting second today for the Rays. One guess who was third.

:(

TambaBerry 07-27-2013 03:23 PM

Will you guys please stop with the Wil Meyers complaining. You're grown men whining, he is gone. Get over it.


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