I coach AAU/Roy

You forgot to add "...and I havent heard anything about this"

They have been members since 1909. B10 membership should help them get it back. Total bush league move by NU though.

I'm still laughing at mu getting snubbed
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Shut it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6623400


KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The Big 12's lower-revenue schools walked out of the conference meetings Friday with a multimillion-dollar pay increase.

Previously the Big 12 distributed 57 percent of football and basketball TV dollars equally among its 12 members.


Now, with Colorado and Nebraska gone, the league has decided to spread 76 percent of the dollars equally. The vote was unanimous on Friday, the final day of the conference meetings.


Commissioner Dan Beebe declined to speculate exactly how much this will mean to lower-revenue members such as Kansas, Baylor, Iowa State and Kansas State.


But he agreed it will be "millions," given the $1.17 billion football deal with Fox that takes effect in 2012.

all hail our powerful overlord Texas.:hail:
all hail our powerful overlord Texas.:hail:
all hail our powerful overlord Texas. :hail:

Hook 'Em.

2.5 more hours baby!

What's the reason for bumping this?

Seems as though Texas is having some trouble with the longhorn network. 4 weeks from launch and no cable/satellite provider has picked it up, not even the ones in TX. Rumor is ESPN will pressure UT into reformatting as a Big 12 network, since they will try to recoup the bucket of cash they already paid UT.

LMAO

linky?

That seems like a tall order. Aren't we dealing with two different marketing companies, IMG and Learfield? Wouldn't Learfield demand to be a part of any talks to make Longhorn Network a Big XII network? Is this just an internet rumor or is there some news outlet floating the rumor?

Well, yes. But that's already an issue regardless, since texas and KU are the only IMG schools in the Big 12.

as for how the rumor started, I have no clue.

Huskers picked to win the Big10

By who?
I'm not surprised someone picked them. B10 is in a little bit of dissaray this year. Still, don't expect it to be as easy as it might seem.

Tells you how pathetic the Big Ten really is...

LMAO We have a college football expert. Tell us more.

Butthurt.

Outside looking in. Wonder if he likes apples?

I could see Nebraska winning it but I have Wisconsin as the favorite at the moment. Iowa has an easy schedule they could be a darkhorse this year.

They would be picked around 5th in the Big XII.

Interesting things popping up. Mike DeArmond and Mellinger talk to Pinkel today at Big 12 Media days. Apprently if Expansionmageddon would have escalated into Superconference mode B10 or SEC would have been a landing place for Mizzou.

In other words they would not have been left out of the cold like some like to think.

LMAO

Spurned woman says what?

LOL, what an inferiority complex.

Spurned woman says what?
I keed, I keed.
Mizzou would have been a fine addition to the B10. Apparently they would have brough more to the academic table as well. Not that I'm not glad to have NU, I am.

So the Mizzou coach told the Mizzou beat writer that everything would be ok if conferences expanded and the big 12 collapsed?

Its just a matter of time. Missouri will be a big 10 member.
It will be a good fit for the Big 10 & the Planet

ok.

Pinkel isn't a bullshit artist.

Hell, he was the only one at B12 media days who didn't kiss Texas' ring when asked about the Longhorn Network.

Nothing I know of Pinkel points to him making that statement would make it untrue.

That sarcasm sounds a lot like Norm Stewart.

A Big 12 network would be a tough sell.

The Big 10 network works simply because the alum bases are so big. Doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the sports that people watch on tv.

As a Big 12 fan I want every single game played to be on TV somewhere, but in these economic times people just aren't going to pay for it. They have too many other things to do.

Longhorn has a good chance of simply not happening.

But its not like ESPN can't afford to give a bunch of cash to Texas. Who cares. They have anything money can buy anyway.

Pinkel knows whats up. I will say that. This Texas Longhorn Network is a ****ing reeruned idea.

NU would have probably been #5 in the Big 12 at best.

Big 12 > Big 10

If NU was still in the Big12 They would be favored to win the North. Who knows who would be favored in the Big 12 Championship game.
Big 10 sports writers have the Huskers favored to win the Big 10
Do I think they will? probably not this year. I see Iowa playing their best game of the year in Lincoln. Iowa will seek Revenge. Huskers are 3 steps away from being the team they once were.
#1 penalty
#2 turn overs
#3 clock management.

HAHAHAHA yeah right. Big 12 is a joke.

#5?



LMAO

Iowa State will win the North. With or without Nebraska. Oh, and ISU also has the #2 hardest schedule in the nation.

Hey there.

...and they suck!

OK Mizzou might win it. But Iowa State will be a close second!(even though there isn't a North anymore, but you know what I'm saying.

Eh, they are ascending. But not that much.

Mach Browns belly is a powerful player

https://www.maplestreetpress.com/boo...ook121_300.jpg

https://www.maplestreetpress.com/book.cfm?book_id=121

They would be behind Oklahoma, aTm, and OStU for sure. They would be somewhere in the mix with Texas and Mizzou. At best, they would be fourth. At worst, they would be sixth.

Now here is a guy who really knows his college football. Tell us more.

Whatever you say.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...joining-pac-12

If Texas keeps pushing towards independence and OU/A&M keep flirting with the SEC, I say Scott will try to move first again to a 16 team conference by adding Texas Tech, OSU, KU and MU. He'll have to move quickly because the Big 10 will also target MU-KU to round out its conference assuming Notre Dame will also stay independent.

It would make the most sense. If he lets the Big 10 grab KU-MU, he's stuck with KSU-ISU which isn't as attractive. If he gets the KU-MU-OSU-TTech quad, he adds a four state footprint in the coveted central time zone. From a marketing perspective, if you air the Tech and OSU start times AFTER their Texas-A&M-OU counterparts, you can pick up enough transient fans of those fan bases who will watch "their other state school" play those "hippies out west". While they may not buy said school's merchandise, they will turn their TVs on to watch and root for them.

That would give them the transient Texas markets, the transient Oklahoma City and Tulsa markets, the Wichita, KC and St. Louis markets. That's a huge market share to add to Denver, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, California, Portland and Seattle markets. He would basically own just about everything west of the Mississippi. It would also give the PAC points of contact with the other two big conferences. The state of Missouri alone borders three Big 10 states and two SEC states.

It might not be regarded as the strongest football conference, but it would command a huge market. With the new national/regional structure of their TV network, it flows nicely into midwest/mountain/California/northwest regional four school bundles. KSU, ISU and Baylor will probably have to find smaller conferences (unless the Big 10 needs a school to round out to 16, in which case they might take ISU, if the Big 10 didn't get MU-KU).

Nebraska's a solid team, but they aren't Ohio State nor Oklahoma. You act like you expect them to come in and take over the conference when they haven't won the Big XII in forever.

I live in Big 10 country; hands down, the most over-rated conference in the country.

The Huskers will make a splash; big fish in a smallish pond...just sayin'.

BIG 10 media days,stroking the Husker EGO big time.:whackit:

Thats right Saul. We have NOTHING. Why would anyone compare Nebraska's
accomplishments in football to the likes of OU & O-ST. Thats just stupid right? :rolleyes:

I don't believe NU would have finished 5th in the B12 this season. Your opinion differs and we will never know.

I don't put NU on par with the big boy programs today. I also don't talk shit about an upcoming opponent because there is no upside in it. UM and tOSU may have off seasons this year. IMHO it is an extremely fortuitious time to be joining the B10 however even our worst teams can bite a team in the ass if they aren't ready to play.

I believe Saul was referring to the present, not the past.

I think the Nubs are going to be brutally raped in the 10.

( and the bunghole too )

Tradition,trophy cases, Academic All Americans are all PAST tense.. They hate just to hate Vail.

Huskers are loaded Both sides of the ball. Mental mistakes will make or break this season.

Iowas Marvin Mcnut on Omahas 1620. sounds like a really smart kid

He's a good kid.

People who think OSU is going to suck this year are in for a rude awakening. 9-3 at worst. The only people who keep us out of a decent bowl game is the NCAA.

IMHO there will be less of a drop-off in coaching at tOSU than a lot of people think. Fickell has been around the program for a good long time and is no less a hard-ass than Tressel was.

What are they doing at QB?

It's going to be very weird seeing both tOSU and UM with new football coaches. First time in my life that I can remember that happening.

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Have a few minutes Saul?
I wanna see your teams trophy box Saul.
Nebraska dose not have a trophy box. :-(
Nebraska has a multimillion dollar trophy facility :-)

Whats that you say Saul?
Yes yes your right Saul.
Husker have more Wins in football since 1970 than any other school......

More smoke:

http://tamu.scout.com/2/1090643.html

Is Realignment Coming to a Conclusion?

By David Sandhop
Aggie Websider Publisher
Posted Jul 30, 2011


Rumors continue to surface about Texas A&M and other Big 12 schools looking at other conference options as ESPN and Texas move forward with plans to broadcast high school games on the Longhorn Network. Aggie Websider's David Sandhop gives you the latest including details that this issue could come to a head quickly.

The realignment rumors at Texas A&M just won’t die. After resting in dormancy for over a year, the “Texas A&M to the SEC” rumors were resurrected once again earlier this month when ESPN purchased a Big 12 tier two game from Fox Sports for its fledgling and flailing Longhorn Network (LHN) and decided to expand its programming by broadcasting high school games that feature Longhorn signees, commits, and targets.

Texas A&M and other conference members took exception and took to the air waves to voice concern over the recent moves by ESPN to expand programming at the Austin-based network. Even Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe, who has become adept at putting Humpty-Dumpty (Big 12) back together again and again, stepped up and put a moratorium on the network to prevent ESPN from moving forward with plans to show high school games and a TBA conference game. He hoped the edict would stop ESPN in its tracks and placate agitated conference members Texas A&M and Oklahoma that felt the LHN was expanding into programming areas that violated the spirit of the conference agreement cobbled together hastily last year in the face of realignment rumors that threatened to destroy the conference.

Since that pronouncement by Beebe, the big issue really focuses on the response of ESPN which is the entity absorbing the financial and business risk for the LHN. After all, how can the Big 12 or any conference dictate to ESPN the games they can or can’t televise that were purchased and the rights secured? Well, based on recent moves by the sports leader, ESPN doesn’t believe the Big 12 can interfere in their programming choices and the ability to make a profit. After the Beebe announcement, ESPN and the LHN finalized contracts with Brenham High School and Lamar Consolidated to become the first high school football broadcast on the network. The Longhorns currently have two verbal commitments from that Brenham team, linebacker Tim Cole and highly-regarded defensive lineman Malcolme Brown.

Pearland Dawson officials indicated last week that the LHN has contacted the school inquiring about the possibility of airing one of their games this fall. The school is home to highly-rated offensive lineman Kennedy Estelle who happens to also be a Texas verbal commitment. There have been others similar reports of ESPN contacting high schools across the state about broadcasting games – this coming after the Beebe proclamation and the public statements of concern from Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne and other Big 12 member schools.

Now, the NCAA is looking into the issue of broadcasting high school games on proprietary conference-specific and university-specific networks. This is an area without precedent, so the NCAA plans to collect information over the next three weeks and hopefully will provide a clear ruling at a scheduled August 22 meeting just prior to the season.

But given information we’re hearing from several Big 12 institutions that may be too late to save the Big 12. The fate of the conference (barely one month old) could hang in the balance at a critical Big 12 athletic directors meeting that is currently being scheduled for possibly next week. The issue continues to be Texas and its broadcast partner ESPN.

Whether the NCAA decides to eliminate high school broadcasts on team-specific networks is really moot at this point. ESPN basically showed its poker hand to the Big 12 through its actions last week. They will not respect the authority of the Big 12 Commissioner. They will not respect the concerns of Big 12 Conference members. Thus, member institutions now realize what some of us have been saying for weeks. It is counter-intuitive to the health and goodwill of an athletic conference to have one member exclusively partnered with a for-profit multi-billion dollar sports broadcaster with a financial stake in that partner’s overall success.

To be clear here, I don’t fault ESPN in this situation. Why should the sports conglomerate care what Dan Beebe or the Big 12 thinks when it comes to their investment in the LHN. As with any private business, ESPN is here to invest in business ventures and use its expertise in making a healthy profit from those ventures. A business’ first priority is to meet the financial goals of its management and stakeholders.

But therein lies the problem for Big 12 member institutions. When you have one member in bed with a multi-billion dollar partner that happens to have a tremendous influence over not only the finances of the sport in the form of TV revenues in the billions, but also in the narrative of that sport by determining which universities get national exposure every week, it’s an imperfect situation for member schools. And if you are universities like Texas A&M and Oklahoma that command value in the college sports marketplace, you have options. In fact, you have very attractive options in other conferences that provide a fair and equitable conference affiliation without having to worry about what ESPN will do next.

And that’s the issue that particularly Texas A&M has with the current Big 12 mess. Even if the high school game controversy gets resolved next month, there will be another problem that is created through ESPN’s efforts to make the LHN profitable. Why? Because for the LHN to be profitable, the network must appeal to a wider audience, not just the 50,000 hardcore Longhorn fans that will snuggle up to the TV with a bag of popcorn to enjoy the day’s volleyball practice or an inside feature on the daily routine of the football equipment manager. ESPN has realized that the network must appeal to those outside the hardcore Longhorn base. That’s why the network has taken steps to broaden programming to show high school games. Also, network officials have discussed broadcasting Big 12 Championship events and even road games in various sports to sweeten the broadcasting pot.

But broadening the customer base and building a national brand is in direct conflict to a conference affiliation and the other members of the conference. While Texas A&M, OU, OSU, Baylor, ISU, KSU, Missouri, Texas Tech, and Kansas are working toward building the brand of the Big 12, Texas and ESPN are off building the Longhorn brand. So there will always be some problematic issue or concern that divides the two parties.

And that’s why rumors are surfacing that Texas A&M along with OU, OSU, Missouri, Kansas and others are working behind the scenes to evaluate conference options and future moves. Based on what we’re hearing, Texas A&M and others could be ready to play their hand if the athletic directors meeting doesn’t provide the right answers.


Big 12 Schools Jockeying For Position

According to inside sources, Texas A&M administrators believe at this time that ESPN is unlikely to compromise on the high school games and they are moving forward with an aggressive approach to programming meaning they are in no mood to compromise.

If ESPN/Texas does not back down at the upcoming athletic directors meeting, this could be the tipping point. From a Texas A&M standpoint, that would likely be a move to the SEC – something that has been rumored since last year and is supported by recent actions of due diligence by the university. It sounds like the rest of the Big 12 is getting nervous as well and starting to check out conference options.

Several sources inside Texas A&M suggest a move could happen sooner rather than later if current conference conditions remain the same, which frankly surprises me if true. I was told it could be "weeks" versus "next year" in terms of a final decision to accept a standing offer to join the SEC. That would likely mean a move to the SEC for the 2013 athletic season.

The smoke with Missouri is building according to SEC sources. After getting snubbed by the Big 10 last year, Missouri is posturing for an offer to the SEC and working the phones hard. It might just pay off for Missouri. Apparently, Oklahoma was told by several SEC sources that a future deal including Oklahoma State was highly unlikely...that they would need to split if they wanted to be seriously considered for inclusion. That explains recent rumors that OU has been inquiring about the PAC-12’s interest level in expanding the conference with both Oklahoma schools. If that doesn’t pan out, then the Sooners may come back to the SEC and consider working the politics of splitting with OSU. But, Missouri is ready to go now and if the chips start falling pretty soon, it looks like Missouri could be in line to get that western division SEC spot along with the Aggies.

What is also helping out Missouri's cause right now is that Arkansas is pushing the SEC to take both Missouri and A&M as a package. For the Razorbacks, that would be a great addition with the proximity of both schools and the built-in rivalries along with the enhanced recruiting possibilities in Texas and Missouri.

Texas Tech is also putting out feelers with the PAC-12 and Kansas has been in contact with the Big East for quite some time and there’s talk that Kansas State could also be in the discussions. And of course, that would leave Texas free to pursue independence and cement its partnership with ESPN with a more comprehensive TV contract. Unless the PAC-12, Big 10, or SEC reverses its stance on not wanting a new partner with an exclusive network, the Longhorns must go independent. That appears to be the end game for Texas anyway.

This is an extremely fluid situation and nothing will surprise me in the short term. But if Byrne and Texas A&M walk away from the conference AD's meeting unsatisfied and it appears that ESPN and Texas are going to move forward with disputed programming regardless of the Big 12's concern, then this could go down quickly...and if so it appears that Missouri could be the big winner in all of this chess play.

If the meetings go well and Texas A&M gets assurances of significant changes to the issues surrounding the LHN, then this situation will play out much longer as we originally anticipated. However, this won’t be the end of the saber rattling because the Big 12 is an imperfect and inequitable union. Another problem associated with inequity will pop-up and at some point this hastily-crafted conference will finally collapse. It’s inevitable. The question is whether that collapse will occur in weeks, months, or a year.

I just don't want to be in a second rate conference or the Pac 12. It isn't fun football if it isn't cold there in the fall.

Texas can't make it as an independent.

They have a huge following but nothing like Notre Dame. Plus ND is in the big east in all other sports. All the Texas teams would go independent? No chance.

So, you're saying you would rather be an also-ran stepchild so that an established conference can mold your identity instead of helping mold a new conference's identity in which you could be annual power? And you wonder why people look at Mizzou with that feeling they'll figure out some way to mess up a good thing.

And as for the cold weather, your division would most likely look like this:

MU
KU
CU
Utah
OU
Tech
AU
ASU

So, over half of your games could be in the cold climate you desire.

They can and will. It is just a matter of time. They are not many that can do it. They are one of them though.

Have you seen their endowment? Its larger than Notre Dame's. They can absolutely make it as an independent. They could do the same thing as Notre Dame and enter all their non-football sports into a conference like the ACC or Big East. Schools around them who want to recruit Texas will line up to play them. If I were making KU's schedule, I would make damn sure I play in Texas at least once every year. That would be easy to do because you would play Tech every other year, so you just add a Texas based non con away game in the off years. Other schools would do the same.

As a KU fan the Pac 12 is obviously a better fit, at least for basketball than the Big East.

I don't understand why there seems to be this desire for teams to get to the SEC... A&M, Mizzou (although much improved) would never win the SEC. They would get buried.

The PAC 12 on the football side seems a bit more "winnable" for all the teams involved.

That being said I have no desire to stay up til 2am watching Pac 12 games. Especially living on the east coast.

Someone just needs to tell A&M to get over themselves. They aren't the football power that they think they are. In fact, they really haven't been all that good since the 90's. What do they think is gonna happen to them when they go play in the SEC?

It's all going to be fine. This longhorn network nonsense is going to morph into the Big 12 network (which still won't have great ratings by any stretch).

lol.

You are completely clueless in this whole thing.

uh, no....never...ever...as in not ever....ever

Tough to say. I would have a better clue I suppose if I were able to watch the Longhorn Network when its launched in August.

But my cable provider doesn't carry it. No one in the country does.

I just don't think it'll end well. You can't have one school completely dominating and calling the shots for 9 other schools... especially when many of them are more than viable in either football or basketball. Surely all these other schools aren't going to lay down for Texas forever?

If the SEC wants Mizzou, they should take it and run. I think it's going to suck when you separate all these rivalries in the middle of the country as they straggle on to conferences on the coasts though.

Certain schools will always have more than others. Texas will always have the advantage over pretty much anyone else when it comes to resources and "pull" when it comes to the NCAA. They are worth a great deal of $$. Them having their own station with ESPN sucks, I agree. But it's not like this is some big change from how its always been.

The fun thing with these situations is when an organization like Texas has so much and goes out and wins 5 games.

It is.

It absolutely is a big change from how it always has been.

I am not bitching about it...not being the victim but I am calling it for what it is. I am surprised you can see 5 feet in front of you on this issue.

The old saying “good fences make good neighbors” applies to conference as well as neighborhoods. Though we all work together, we still have to respect each other’s autonomy. What Texas is doing with the LHN is establishing a one-way fence that keeps everyone else out but allows them to leave at will.

Texas isn't going to go indepedent. This is just silly message board fodder. They have an excellent overall athletic department and won't sacrifice all of the other sports for football.

It's going to be awesome seeing Missouri play in Bryant-Denney Stadium in three years.

They won't have to, they'll play non football sports in the ACC or Big East just like Notre Dame does.