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Dartgod 02-17-2014 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 10438207)
JFC, enough already with your obsession with Mike Sweeney. The way you constantly go on and on about him, I'm starting to think he must have ass raped your wife.

He's just the latest in the line of whipping boys for GBF. He clearly hates the Royals.

chefsos 02-17-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 10438572)
Maybe a clue in why Florida Marlins claimed and then released Jimmy Paredes. After they claimed him, he played winter ball in the Dominican League and batted .176 in 20 games and 68 at bats.

Baltimore only kept him for 2 days. Not sure why they bothered.

Maybe give him a chance in Omaha and see if he can do anything.

When the O's signed Yoon, someone had to go and Paredes was the obvious choice because he was never really there to begin with.

But yeah, your point stands, I don't know why they wasted the time and effort either.

BlackHelicopters 02-18-2014 09:01 AM

I would wager that neither Santana nor his agent thought he would not have a job this late into February. Stunning turn of events.

nychief 02-18-2014 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 10438620)
When the O's signed Yoon, someone had to go and Paredes was the obvious choice because he was never really there to begin with.

But yeah, your point stands, I don't know why they wasted the time and effort either.

he has an option... 40th guy on the roster... good for Omaha.

gblowfish 02-18-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 10438207)
JFC, enough already with your obsession with Mike Sweeney. The way you constantly go on and on about him, I'm starting to think he must have ass raped your wife.

"Día Bueno, Señor. ¿Me daría usted un trasero atractivo roza?"

Mike Sweeney settles into new role during first day back with Royals
February 17
By ANDY McCULLOUGH
The Kansas City Star

SURPRISE, Ariz. — Yordano Ventura swiveled in his seat and stared into the former face of the Royals.

“ Buenos dias, Señor,” Mike Sweeney said. “How’s your body feeling?”
“Good,” Ventura said after they clasped hands.
“I’m rooting for you,” Sweeney said as he continued his greeting tour through the clubhouse he once called home.

He walked into a hallway where his name is painted five separate times, an affirmation of his All-Star appearances as a Royal. He showed up at 5:30 a.m. for his first official day as a special assistant to baseball operations. He compared it to the first day of school: Unsure of his surroundings, unfamiliar with all the new faces.

When Sweeney last wore this uniform, he was the team’s captain. “Now I’m just a deckhand,” he said.

Sweeney, the 40-year-old former first baseman and catcher, played 13 years for this organization. His name is inked throughout the franchise record book: Second in career homers (197), sixth in hits (1,398), sixth in runs (700) and second in on-base-plus-slugging percentage (.861). His second chapter is just beginning.

He plans to spend the week in Surprise. He’ll make two similar trips in March. His itinerary for the regular season has yet to be decided. General manager Dayton Moore described Sweeney’s role as a blend of scouting and advising. He will observe the minor-league clubs, visit Kauffman Stadium and dabble in other areas.

Manager Ned Yost described Sweeney as a positive influence, and valuable to “pitch in where he needs to pitch in.” For 20 minutes on Monday, Sweeney huddled with Billy Butler. Sweeney sees Alex Gordon and James Shields as this team’s leaders. He believes Butler can join their number.
As they sat on chairs by Butler’s locker, Sweeney explained how baseball players fit into two categories. “They’re either a fountain or a drain,” Sweeney said. “They’re either sucking the life out or pouring life in. I was just challenging Billy: ‘You’re one of the best hitters on the planet. Be a fountain.’”

As this season progresses, the organization hopes Sweeney finds a more exact niche for the coming years. For now, he is a resource this team’s youthful core can draw from. Another prominent former Royal, Jason Kendall, is here as an instructor. Asked about Kendall’s formal title, one team official cracked “Sir.”

Sweeney projects a slightly less intimidating presence. His 20-minute conversation with Butler was interrupted by various greetings. Sweeney kidded Mike Moustakas for carrying a skateboard into the clubhouse. He called Luke Hochevar “my brother.” He introduced himself to reporters by saying, “Hi, I’m Mike.”

He last played for the Royals in 2007. Only three teammates from that year are still with the club: Butler, Gordon and Hochevar. Butler was 21 then. Gordon was 22. Hochevar was the eldest of the bunch. He was 23.

Sweeney marveled at how the group had grown. He praised the front office and ownership for assembling this club, which won 86 games in 2013 and intends to top that amount this coming season.

“They’ve assembled a great machine in this locker room,” Sweeney said. “Now it’s just a matter of getting them to be their best.”

During the morning’s workout, as pitchers and catchers headed toward the first official session of live batting practice, Sweeney hung back from the group. Then he jogged across a tan walkway that connects the various diamonds. He slowed as he caught up to Yost and the rest of the group.
“This team has nothing to do with an old, broken-down guy like me,” Sweeney said. “It has everything to do with them. I just want to be of service.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/17...#storylink=cpy

stonedstooge 02-18-2014 11:15 AM

You missed a question Sweeney asked Ventura
"Sabia usted que soy una legenda en el baisbol?"

gblowfish 02-18-2014 11:21 AM

"Ouch, mis daños traseros!"

BlackHelicopters 02-18-2014 11:51 AM

Que?

Prison Bitch 02-18-2014 12:03 PM

Ubaldo Jimenez got 4/48 which is a bit below what Garza got. So the market for Santana seems to be coming into clear vision now. I would suspect he'll end up getting a year less, something like 3/33 or such.

TLO 02-18-2014 12:07 PM

How many outfielders will we keep on the 25 man roster?

Gordon, Cain, Aoki, Dyson, Maxwell?

Mr. Laz 02-18-2014 12:10 PM

Royals are right: Ervin Santana’s terms remain too rich, and risky
February 18
BY SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

The Royals have spent the last two decades training their fans to expect the worst. Always the worst.

So there can be no complaining on their part that The Best Royals Team in a Generation (on paper, anyway) is greeted with some skepticism and second-guessing. To that end, the Orioles sent the Royals’ front office a bit of a pick-me-up by signing right-handed starter Ubaldo Jimenez to a four-year, $50 million contract.

The lingering criticism of an otherwise very solid Royals offseason is that right-hander Ervin Santana remains a free agent, available to the highest bidder, and a lot of fans have a hard time with the fact that the highest bidder almost certainly will not be the Royals.

The Royals won their most games since 1989 last year with the league’s best defense and ERA, which they achieved in no small part because Santana gave them 211 innings with a 3.24 ERA. Yordano Ventura and Danny Duffy could each have terrific and long careers and never match those numbers in one season.

Industry insiders were generally split on the Jimenez-vs.-Santana debate going into the offseason, and Jimenez’s contract is basically identical to the one that right-hander Matt Garza signed with the Brewers. So if these deals are an indication of the remaining market, and provide a framework for Santana’s next contract, the Royals will look better for not joining the most serious bidders for Santana.

There are two simultaneous, somewhat conflicting truths here: 1) the Royals misread the market for Santana this offseason, and 2) even if they hadn’t signed Jason Vargas to a four-year, $32 million deal, they still probably would not go to four years and $50 million for Santana.

And justifiably so, no matter what many in Kansas City say.

Free-agent contracts for starting pitchers are always risky, and that’s true even if the starting pitcher didn’t just turn 32 with a history that includes both a lot of mileage and some questions among scouts and executives about how long his elbow can hold up.

When Santana is sharp, he is a joy to watch and a nightmare to swing against. He is smooth, relentless, and aggressive — according to FanGraphs, only David Price threw a higher percentage of first-pitch strikes among qualified American League pitchers last year. The lasting image of Santana in a Royals uniform is him striking someone out on a 1-2 slider, and then eating a banana in the dugout on days between starts.

There is a dark side to Santana’s history, too. The elbow is certainly part of it — last year, 38.5 percent of Santana’s pitches were sliders, by far the biggest percentage in baseball.

But even if you trust the elbow — it should be noted that Santana has made 128 starts and pitched 840 1/3 innings over the last four years, both among baseball’s top 20 — there are wild inconsistencies in his performance that make a long-term deal especially risky. He has five good seasons among his nine in the big leagues. In the other four, he has missed starts and has a 5.16 ERA. Those are red flags when teams are investing $50 million or so in a 32-year-old pitcher.

None of this takes into consideration that the baseline for any large free-agent contract to a starting pitcher is a success rate of less than 30 percent.

Looking at various projection models and talking to several scouts, the long-term expectation for Santana is a drop-off from very good to good in 2014, followed by the normal decline you would expect from a starting pitcher in his mid-30s.

So while the Royals won’t be able to replace Santana’s production from 2013, it’s also unlikely that Santana will be able to replicate his success of 2013.

From the Royals’ side, the math is further complicated by the fact that they stand to gain a draft pick (and the proportionate spending allowance under MLB’s new draft rules) if and when Santana signs somewhere else.

Now, none of this means the Royals played this perfectly. Vargas and Santana are the same age, so the same disclaimers about regression apply here (though there is less in Vargas’ history to suggest either major risk or reward, and he will benefit from the Royals’ strong defense). The Royals went longer with Vargas than they would’ve liked with four years, but the $8 million average salary is a fine tradeoff.

The whole key to the rotation, besides health, remains Yordano Ventura and Danny Duffy. So the Vargas deal is a measured gamble. The Royals are purchasing (at a lower cost) the kind of stability they don’t see in Santana, in exchange for a better environment for the bigger potential of the young, homegrown starters (Kyle Zimmer could join this discussion after the All-Star break).

With a higher cost, Santana will almost certainly outperform Vargas this season. So in this way, even in a critical season to make good on the blockbuster trade that brought James Shields to Kansas City, the Royals are sacrificing some now with the long-term in mind.

The plan has its positives, especially in avoiding the risk of a big deal with Santana. But the plan will look a lot better if someone signs Santana to a contract similar to Jimenez’s.

To reach Sam Mellinger, call 816-234-4365, send email to smellinger@kcstar.com or follow twitter.com/mellinger. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com.

alnorth 02-18-2014 03:13 PM

In case anyone is wondering, we'll still get the draft pick if someone else signs Santana soon after the season starts. He'd have to go unsigned until after the draft is over for the compensation to drop off.

duncan_idaho 02-18-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10439613)
In case anyone is wondering, we'll still get the draft pick if someone else signs Santana soon after the season starts. He'd have to go unsigned until after the draft is over for the compensation to drop off.

I thought that deadline was June 15? Haven't looked it up since last year, though.

alnorth 02-18-2014 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10439618)
I thought that deadline was June 15? Haven't looked it up since last year, though.

This year the draft is June 5-7

penguinz 02-18-2014 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 10438207)
JFC, enough already with your obsession with Mike Sweeney. The way you constantly go on and on about him, I'm starting to think he must have ass raped your wife.

He ran out of things to spam the forum with so now he is going to continue to be obsessed with something as dumb as this.


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