It's probably time to see what Duffy does in his next Omaha start and promote him if it goes well.

Hochevar can go fist himself.

Will Smith is the next guy in line, IMO.

There is no reason to rush Duffy back at this point.

It must be late July in KC. LMAO.

Your obsession with being RIGHT about the Zack Greinke trade is entertaining.

Mike Aviles shouldn't have been moved - he should have been kept and played everyday at 2B (spelling Escobar at SS and Moustakas at 3B).

Jarrod Dyson's value probably would not hold up if he played everyday. And considering that you seem to HATE guys who provide all their value with their legs and defense - and who struggle at the plate - I think you'd soon be calling for HIS head.

I don't know if they bring him up this quick. I'd prefer to see Duffy and Smith in the rotation instead of Chen. At least Duffy and Smith are getting some more experience and can ready themselves to be in the rotation next year where Chen will be gone.

IF Santana goes I think it should be

Shields
Guthrie
Duffy
Will Smith
Mendoza

I wouldn't complain if they left him down a little longer, either. He is pretty close to ready, though.

Are we sellers yet? yeesh.

Hypothetical trade offer here:

Jake Peavey/Alex Rios for Ervin Santana, Competitive Balance Draft Pick, prospects (Duncan fill this part in)

Would any of you consider anything like this?

GMDM is delusional if thinks this group of underachievers is going anywhere. Time to start over, again. 28 years.

:spock: Wow

Why does Chicago want Ervin Santana?

I would consider trading for Peavey/Rios for next year, but it would wipe out a big portion of the farm system. I don't Santana helps you at all in that deal.

Well, hopefully we'll be able to get Duffy, Paulino and the Fresh Prince into the rotation just to see what they've got.

I'd deal Santana for the best thing we can get -hopefully a 2B or RF prospect-, trade Chen and Hoch for a bag of batting practice balls. Need to get Hoch OUT of this organization. I think Mendoza has a tired arm from no off season. Keep him, rest him. I think he'll recover. Maybe try Crow as a starter if you get desperate for a number 5 guy.

Well at least we agree that it is time for a change.

I was thinking salary dump purposes mainly since Santana is a free agent at the end of this year. More than likely this would have to be a 3 way team deal anyways with the amount of salary involved.

Can't argue with that. I brought up Hoch because he has looked pretty good in short relief lately, and maybe he has finally improved enough to give him one last look before letting him go.

With a Santana trade, I fear this:

1. Shields (Does he have ANY motivation left?)
2. Guthrie (Dude has been leaking oil since May)
3. Duffy (Fingers Crossed he can make it back successfully)
4. Davies (Hoch's Twin)
5. Hoch (You can't get rid of that dog-shit smell once you step in it)

That would be plain awfulness, but also, very Royals-like. Chen to Long-Relief, MexiMullet to Omaha.

Latest on Paulino:
Felipe Paulino (elbow, shoulder) threw a 25-pitch live batting practice session Monday.
The next step is two simulated innings on Thursday and three simulated innings on July 30. If those two sessions go well, he should be able to resume a rehab assignment. Paulino has had to start and stop his rehab a couple times but should return sometime next month if he can avoid any more setbacks. Jul 22 - 6:59 PM

Hoch has been babied all year. Everytime they have put him in stress situations or with runners on base he becomes what he always was. He shits the bed. A good organization would have cut ties with him long ago.
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Hoch pitched fine last night. Of course, his team was down by seven runs at the time. He always does fine with there's not pressure. That's his problem, he's a pants wetter in crunch time.

After this year, Glass is never letting Dayton near the checkbook again. So we can't really take on pricey vets after this latest abortion of a season.

How is Wade Davis still in the major leagues?

If we are sellers, why would we want Peavey/Rios?

Luke Hochevar - R - Royals

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Red Sox have been scouting Luke Hochevar.
He notes that the Sox "have not engaged in trade discussions with the Royals" at this point. Still, it's not a surprise that they're interest, as Boston is on the lookout for relief help and Hochevar has thrived in a bullpen role, posting a 2.00 ERA and 38/10 K/BB ratio over 36 frames. He's making $4.65 million this season before hitting free agency this winter.
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Will Dayton part with his first born?

Please please do a deal for hochevar

After the Orioles series our next 12 are against the White Sox, Twins, and Mets. It would be a time to pick up some wins.

Boston has some pieces that could make for an interesting deal. Especially if they were interested in acquiring more than Hoch.

Clay Buchholz may not come back at all this season so they have a hole in the rotation.

I mean, the way I look at it, Bradley = Olt and they have a bunch of arms they could throw in. Webster/Barnes/Owens, even Ranaudo could be the throw in arms. And Santana = Garza.


Or if we could swing a deal for Bogaerts somehow, I would JIMP.

Have to admit I didn't see that coming.

It's amazing to me that any team would want Hoch for any sort of stretch run. Heh, your just asking for that to end in heartache.

ssshhhhhussh you

First rule of "screwing the other team" club - don't talk about "screwing the other team" club.

If Hoch leaves, and with Francoeur gone, that leaves only Getz to suck GMDM off.

Santana apparently wants to re-sign but hasn't been approached by the team about it.
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Interesting

Santana is the kind of risk the Royals can't really afford to take. He's an on again/off again type pitcher who will be making probably somewhere around 15 per year.

But look at his stuff! He's got it all! He peripherals are great, and his K:BB has been awesome out of the pen!

"Yes, Ben Cherington. Yes. He is great. We hate to give him up, but you may take him."

Santana and Hochevar to Boston for, say, Allen Webster, Jackie Bradley would be pretty sweet.

It's ironic that we have Hoch's twin in the rotation right now, so we won't miss a beat when Davies is moved to the pen.

----^ This.

I like Santana a lot, and he seems to genuinely like KC. But his jekyll-hyde nature makes him too big a risk for KC.

Who knows, though. They resigned Guthrie after last season because they were trying to compete. Maybe the same thing happens with Santana. I'd rather see them sell high with him at the trade deadline, but we'll see.

Yes.... yes....

Was he used in high level situations in TB or like we have to use Hoch now?

We can always trade him ... and then re-sign him in the winter. :D

Looking at some advanced stats, a few things pop out....

1) According to Fangraphs, Davis threw his slider 10.9 percent of the time last year, and it was a positive value pitch - about 5 runs above average. He has thrown it zero percent of the time this year.

2) Instead, Davis has picked up a cutter that he didn't throw at ALL in Tampa. that has been a completely dogshit pitch. He is nearly 7 runs below average with that pitch this season while throwing it 22 percent of the time. His fastball is also 8 runs below average. Would suspect those two things are related.

What's terrifying? Neither one is as bad as LUke Hochevar's fastball last year, which was 17.5 runs below average.

3) Davis had slightly negative value in high leverage situations (-0.42) according to Fangraphs, which means he was 0.42 percent worse in those spots than if he had been in a non-clutch situation.

4) Looking at Baseball Ref's advanced reliever stats... Davis appeared 54 times in 2012 for Tampa, and 13 of those were "High Leverage" situations. 10 were "Medium." The rest were "Low" or clean innings.

5) Davis blew just one "save" in 2012 and picked up 6 holds. He entered in 9 save situations. Not sure what happened the other two times.

6) Only 5 of 20 inherited runners scored for Davis, so he did a pretty good job there. 25 percent is a strong score.

7) To show, once again, how stupid fWAR for pitchers is... Davis has a 1.1 fWAR score, which is flat-out stupid. bWAR has him at -2.0, which seems about right for the worst starter in major league baseball this year.

And that little twerp can only take so much semen.

According to MLB trade rumors, the Angels have claimed JC Gutierrez off waivers.

Ned weeps.

" And then, depression set in"

Alex benched tonight,Danny's words on 610,I missed the rest.

...what?

We are 8 back of Detroit in first, 7 ahead of Chicago in last. Doesn't that nicely sum up the season?

Tonights lineup is uh.....different

Yeah, the back end is just ****ing embarrassing. Three damn near automatic outs 7-9.

**** you, Dayton ****ing Moore.

Getz and Johnson back to back. ROFL

No, we aren't sellers. We can totally contend with those two ass wipes occupying spots in our lineup.

Pray the end is near for the Dayton Moore era...


Rest easier....

I've seen better batting lineups in Williamsport.

Don't know if this was mentioned anywhere yet, but ...

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2h
Sources: #Royals willing to listen on Ervin Santana, would move for right offer.

Now that would be nuts. Lol.

Things like that never happen to the royals.
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Bye.

Seriously, the return is almost certainly going to be decent, and, theoretically, the money we'd be saving on half of a worthless season for Santana should be banked for next year.

Enter: Glass snarking.

Tim Hudson just suffered a serious leg injury. What can the Braves offer for Santana?

And I'm probably going to have to pass on Rios.

Stupidity isn't isolated to the Royals org

Giants manager Bruce Bochy indicated Wednesday that Jeff Francoeur will be his regular left fielder going forward.
Francoeur is making his third straight start in left Wednesday, and two of those have come against right-handers. "(He's) a proven major league hitter, and this offense needs help," Bochy said of Francoeur. Frenchy has put up a hideous .228/.277/.362 batting line since the beginning of last season

They were already on the verge of putting Medlen in the pen because they had too many starters. They'll just bring up Beachy and roll with the guys they have.

Good to see the Royals going after Rios. We still have holes on this team for 2014 that needs to be filled.

****ING HEWARD

OK you all know this team pisses me off but I gotta admit, that was sweet!

And Rios would help fill exactly none of them, while costing a shit ton. From Rany:

"Trading for Alexis Rios is comical on many levels. Starting with the fact it's far from clear he's better going forward than David Lough."

Let's hope that DM doesn't make a very costly mistake.

Bob Dutton was on 610 today saying that the trade market is really soft for a starting pitcher and the Royals wouldn't get that much in return for him. Said we'd be better off keeping him for the rest of the year and then seeing if we can sign him to a 3-4 year deal than trading him right now.

That market must have been really soft given how much the Rangers paid for Garza. :spock:

This is likely bullshit....Royals would be stupid to re-sign him

He will have value come deadline time

Agreed...

That is why this will happen.

Not a fan of Rios since he has not done that great year in and year out

He said what the Rangers traded for Garza is overvalued and that the Rangers were one of the only teams calling around looking for a SP.

Dutton was likely trying to defend showing his ass on twitter the other day when he started freaking out about possibly trading Holland.

Why would the Rangers overpay if they didn't have competing offers for Garza? Garza was going to be traded either way. It sounds to me like Dutton is speculating and trying to pass it off as fact.

Dutton is just a fact giver and doesn't speculate at all....im fine with that.

FYP

If we trade for Rios I quit.

Its not his job to speculate though...probably comes off that way but ya...leave it to mellinger who can't say if gmdm should be fired. 2 diff jobs types

Two thoughts:

1) "Soft" trade market for starting pitching? Don't give me that b.s. (Which I'm sure Dayton Moore or someone in the Royals is shoveling to Dutton). It's the same as it is every year - the best pitchers get big interest.

Dutton can pooh-pooh the Garza return all he wants, but the Cubs still got a consensus top 30 prospect and one of the biggest helium/risers in CJ Edwards of the season (and a PTBNL, which is either Max Ramirez or ANOTHER pitcher in their system of similar value). That's a HAUL for 2 months of Garza.

2) David Lough vs. Alex Rios. You know, Alex Rios is not a superstar. And he's volatile/up-and-down. And he had a really terrible month of June. But as recently as last year he was an .850 OPS guy who hit .300 and slugged .500 (and that's what he has been outside of June this year).

I wouldn't say, outright, that I hate the idea of acquiring Alex Rios. If the price in prospects is low - or if the White Sox pick up part of that salary - it's worth exploring.