Speaking from personal experience I prefer Jalen, (Houston market) just my opinion

For the last 2 years when the Chiefs had less than a 2 td lead at the end of a game, I and most people was sweating bullets because everyone knew they couldn't stop a runaway tricycle. That right there is grounds to burn the D to the ground, sift through the ashes for what can still be used and rebuild. A reasonable amount of turnover in people is necessary to get rid of old "institutional" mindset from the last few years of suck and bring in a new attitude. A new DC, a few new players and a new attitude could bring about great results. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. A new DC and just a few "tweaks" is still insanity.

I agree, but I think they'd be willing to move Bouye.

Who knows about Ramsey.

So let me get this right you guys wanna trade a first and more for Ramsey then turn around and make him the highest paid corner? Sorry I would rather draft one

Rex Ryan BUILDS his defense exactly like Sutton does - front to back, inside out. It's HIGHLY dependent on having not just above average linemen but one-of-a-kind linemen. Sutton was fine with Dontari Poe. Without Poe? Crapfest. Rex Ryan's defense requires the same kind of personnel. Rex Ryan had exactly ZERO good seasons in Baltimore without Haloti Ngata.

I haven't played Madden in 15 years. Sorry. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Spags has also been in some REALLY bad spots. The Rams were a no-win situation. How many defensive coaches go to a team with a top 3 pick their first year and actually succeed? I can't think of any recent examples. I mean, Rex Ryan's stint as a HC was WORSE than Spags.

Furthermore, if you're dinging Spags for having to cleanup after BountyGate, you're just not being reasonable. So there's that.

No, Spags insn't a great hire. But to sit here and act like Rex Ryan would have been is laughable.

I'd prefer to trade Ford for a 2nd and flip that for Bouye.

Draft Devin Bush with our first round pick.

Fuller, Amos, Lucas, Bouye

Bush, Hitchens, DOD

Houston, Jones, Nnadi, Speaks

That's not a bad defense.

I guess Andy Reid thinks he is playing Madden too :rolleyes:

I kind of feel like the draft is where they'll address CB. It's a deep draft and I think DB's that in other years would be #1's are going to be there in the late 2nd round. They might look for a second tier guy or a guy they see as undervalued. But I doubt it'll be a big splash name.

That's what I expect too. I think they're best shot of getting a plus CB is in the draft somehow.

Jesus. Why do people keep saying let them walk? You ****ing trade them or keep them. They are far too undervalued by Chiefs fans and its stupid.

If you get rid of them who do you replace them with currently on the roster that even has a remote chance of putting up 13 sacks? Now, who do you replace the second one with that is capable of putting up 9 sacks and is great at stopping the run, good in coverage, and not to mention in a leader in the locker room? ****ing nobody. Not a single ****ing player on the current roster would come close to matching their production. Who do you sign and how do you afford to sign two of them?

If you get rid of everybody but Jones, QBs will have all ****ing day in the pocket and it wouldn't matter if we had Ramsey, Petersen, and Thomas in the secondary... well that might be enough to mitigate the leagues worst pass rush.

What will probably happen is tagging Ford, fielding offers, then most likely keeping him, they will try to restructure Houston and Berry, sign Jones really long term if possible, same for Hill, then they will draft an all-new secondary, sign an average LB and safety.

Interesting fanpost where Tyler Thigpen places the Chiefs current projected starting players in talent order with this year's draft class.


www.arrowheadpride.com/2019/1/27/18199369/how-deep-in-the-draft-can-we-improve-our-team

I think if they flip Ford, we'll end up with 3 #2 picks.

If we could come out of that with DE Jaylon Ferguson, CB Oruwariye, and maybe like a Juan Thornhill at SS, I think we'd be in good shape.

The zero chance Dee Ford "walks". He's going to be tagged and everybody knows it, so I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about people using that phrase - it's figurative.

As for Justin Houston, he needs to take a pay cut. If he refuses, then what? It's definitely likely they'll let him walk, meaning go away and get nothing in return.

You can't just keep everybody, change coordinators, add some scrubs, and expect to get better. This defense was HISTORICALLY bad. Keeping it together would be monumentally stupid.

Yeah, go for broke and trade Ford for another defensive superstar. I'd rather have Ramsey than Bouye, and Ramsey would like playing opposite this offense. He would look at it as a one up competition that if the offense balls out, he needs to play harder to show them up, like he does in Jacksonville.

Yet, you defended Sutton early in the season and placed most of the blame on a lack of talent. Now you are open to getting rid of two of arguably the #2 and #3 most important defensive players.