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Nightfyre 07-22-2013 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9826585)
Which mkds him tht much more desirable with the right team if we get something of value.

So we're just going to start trading away our prospects as they hit arbitration? How do you EVER expect to win using that model?

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-22-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9826586)
So we're just going to start trading away our prospects as they hit arbitration? How do you EVER expect to win using that model?

It's not about winning anymore, it's about maintaining a feeling of "hope". It's all we know.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 07:28 AM

Also, how is Gordon untouchable when he only has two years of cost control, is heading out of his prime and is performing basically at the same level as Hosmer offensively?

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 9826585)
Which mkds him tht much more desirable with the right team if we get something of value.

You're not going to get anything close to equivalent value for Hosmer in moving him at this time. Not that helps you as much as he has the potential to.

I'm still waiting to see how he does over the rest of the season, but he has been a .300/.360/.520 hitter since June 1. Which basically is the hitter everyone thought he could be entering the 2012 season.

You could move him for prospects, but you're not going to get a guy who has a reasonable shot to hit .300/.360/.550 next season, with 30 HR/ 35 2B.

The Royals need that kind of thump to win in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

mr. tegu 07-22-2013 07:50 AM

I am surprised at the negativity in here. The Indians and Tigers both lost two of three to start the second half. It was a pretty good weekend for us. :shrug:

Prison Bitch 07-22-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9826614)
I am surprised at the negativity in here. The Indians and Tigers both lost two of three to start the second half. It was a pretty good weekend for us. :shrug:

The sweep at Cleveland last week destroyed the season. Taking 2/3 from Detroit moved us from 8 back to 7 back. There are only 2 months left. The odds of us catchign them would be low even if we were even strength, which we're not

DeezNutz 07-22-2013 08:09 AM

Someone posted this in the comments section of the latest Star article online:

For the Royals to win the division, they need to play .680 ball from here out, and the Tigers cannot play better than .570 ball. Do this, and KC will win the division by a single game.

Yeah, mathematically "unlikely" to say the very least.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9826635)
Someone posted this in the comments section of the latest Star article online:

For the Royals to win the division, they need to play .680 ball from here out, and the Tigers cannot play better than .570 ball. Do this, and KC will win the division by a single game.

Yeah, mathematically "unlikely" to say the very least.

It's cool, teams go 46-21 all the time, right? [/sarcasm]

tk13 07-22-2013 08:14 AM

That's kind of an arbitrary stat. The Tigers aren't playing .570 ball now.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 08:16 AM

Oh and winning the division will be easier than winning the wildcard by two full games. hehe.

DeezNutz 07-22-2013 08:19 AM

The Tigers are at .546, so .650 might do it.

The biggest points are 1. advanced metrics show that Detroit's win-loss record should be much different right now and 2. the Royals will have to go on an absolutely torrid run to become viable contenders.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 08:20 AM

Even if the tigers go 32-33 on the rest of the season, they will end at 85-77.

the Royals need to go 40-27 just to tie that. That's .597 ball. They didn't even play that well in June.

DeezNutz 07-22-2013 08:25 AM

.597, which would make the Royals one of the best teams in baseball in the second half.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 08:27 AM

It is not hard math. We should be sellers. Dayton does not have a week to figure that out.

tk13 07-22-2013 08:33 AM

The Tigers are on pace for 88 wins, which is exactly what they had last year. That'd put us at 43-24 to tie.

I agree it's an uphill climb but I think there's zero chance we sell. 1) DM won't want to admit failure, 2) we play the Tigers 11 more times, and 3) the month of September is almost entirely against the Tigers, Indians and Mariners. And finishing against the White Sox.

Outside of all the Tigers and Indians games... after this week we only have two more series against teams with winning records, plus a makeup game against Tampa.

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-22-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9826614)
I am surprised at the negativity in here. The Indians and Tigers both lost two of three to start the second half. It was a pretty good weekend for us. :shrug:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-NedYost.jpg + http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/cho...dard_352.0.jpg + http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8AtG5qOdr5...+moore+sad.jpg

Ned I say moore?

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 08:41 AM

One positive thing I will say: you can tell Brett has been working with Hos and Moose. If he can have a similar impact on Salvy/Esky/Butler/Gordon, the lineup will be extremely potent.

tk13 07-22-2013 08:41 AM

The other interesting thing is those two series against winning teams are at home, as is the Rays makeup game. So is the Orioles series this week.

The only road games the Royals have left against teams with winning records are against the Tigers and Indians.

DeezNutz 07-22-2013 08:43 AM

Any of these other teams with equally unrealistic expectations are looking at their schedules, circling games against the Royals as opportunities to make up ground.

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 08:44 AM

How I have grown to hate Ned's face and Dayton's stupid effing flattop.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 08:46 AM

Say you do sell. If you can secure a deal where Holland is the centerpiece for a middle of the order bat like Castellanos who will be MLB ready by next year at the break, you may even extend your window beyond the James Shields era.

tk13 07-22-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9826676)
Any of these other teams with equally unrealistic expectations are looking at their schedules, circling games against the Royals as opportunities to make up ground.

I'm sure they are. Thanks Pete.

tk13 07-22-2013 08:51 AM

I guess in that case we'll change the wording... the Royals do not have a road game against a team with a better record the rest of the season, except for the Tigers and Indians.

Canofbier 07-22-2013 10:31 AM

Hey y'all,

Want to see something even more uncomfortable than watching the Royals play baseball?

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My favorite comment on Deadspin: "It was originally four Royals, but the technology doesn't yet exist to sufficiently slow down Billy Butler's eating."

tk13 07-22-2013 10:54 AM

This is on the front page of ESPN today.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/94...er-ready-shine

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Greg Holland ready to star
By "Dirty South" or any name, Royals' All-Star closer won't sneak up on anyone
Originally Published: July 22, 2013
By Jerry Crasnick | ESPN.com

Kansas City's Greg Holland, the best closer that hardly anybody knows, is unflappable, unpretentious and a bit undersized at 5-foot-10 and 200 pounds. His hobbies include hunting and fishing, beard-growing, lighting up radar guns and shaking hands with catcher Salvador Perez after game-ending punchouts.

It's hard for a good old country boy in a small market to attract national attention, but Holland is starting to develop a following. A few devotees on Twitter have begun a campaign to christen him "Dirty South." The nickname has yet to catch on in the manner of teammate Billy Butler's "Country Breakfast" moniker, but some of Holland's fellow Royals think it has potential.

"It makes sense," left fielder Alex Gordon said. "He's a dirty pitcher and he's from the south. Put two and two together and you've got it."

Holland, 27, is putting up some hellacious numbers in his second season as Kansas City's closer. After a shaky start, he has converted 17 straight save opportunities -- including saves Friday and Saturday that allowed the Royals to make a small dent in Detroit's lead in the American League Central.

He's averaging 14.84 strikeouts per nine innings, and generating that same queasy feeling that Craig Kimbrel, Aroldis Chapman and -- of course -- Mariano Rivera elicit when they come out of the bullpen.

In 22 innings at Kauffman Stadium this year, Holland has allowed one run for an ERA of 0.41. Since May 12, he has given up nine hits in 25 innings and held opponents to a .108 batting average. And the Elias Sports Bureau notes that in a 5-1 win over the Yankees on July 8, he became the first pitcher to complete a save with three bases-loaded strikeouts since Baltimore's George Sherrill achieved the feat against the Cubs in 2008.

Even limited encounters with Holland leave an impression. Cleveland second baseman Jason Kipnis, who has been tearing it up against all kinds of pitching this season, is 1-for-5 with a strikeout in his career against Holland. Kipnis would prefer to save future encounters with Holland for special occasions -- like leap years or lunar eclipses.

"Not fun at all," Kipnis said. "We've talked about it. He told me he doesn't like to see me in the box, and I don't like to see him on the mound. I don't think his name gets thrown out as much as it should. People don't realize how hard he throws, or how good his other stuff is to complement it."

Improbable All-Star

Holland's exploits landed him a spot in the All-Star Game, where he spent several days stargazing and enjoying the opportunity to mingle with the game's elite. During a recent trip to Yankee Stadium, he got Rivera to sign a jersey for him. When Holland approached the Yankees great to say hello at Citi Field last weekend, he made sure to keep the conversation brief because he knew Rivera had a busy schedule.

Holland gives off a naturally humble vibe. A few hours before the All-Star Game, he stood in a corner of the visiting clubhouse and basked in the moment with a "what the heck am I doing here?" look on his face.

"It's been a rush," he said. "I'm just trying to slow this down a little bit and soak it in. You want to enjoy it and remember the experience, because it's hard to get here. To get one All-Star bid is awesome. You'll never know if you'll get another one."

Holland comes from Marion, N.C., a town of roughly 8,000 people with the motto, "Where Main Street Meets the Mountains." His father, Scott, installed windows for a living and played competitive softball on the weekends, and Greg and his brother, Chase, tagged along to watch.

Holland played at McDowell High School, in the same western North Carolina region that produced Cameron Maybin and Madison Bumgarner, and aspired to a career as a big league shortstop. He suffered a setback in his senior year when he was standing on first base and a pickoff throw from the catcher struck him in the face and broke his jaw.

With no interest from MLB teams in the draft and zero scholarship offers forthcoming, Holland walked on at Western Carolina University and settled in as a reliever with the Catamounts. He captured the attention of Steve Connelly, a former Royals scout who now works in the Toronto organization, and Kansas City chose him in the 10th round of the 2007 draft. Holland is the only player drafted and signed in that round who is currently in the majors.

It took faith and imagination for the Royals to project Holland as more than a setup man as he traversed the minor league chain. He threw hard, but had questionable command and needed to develop more consistency with his secondary pitches to keep hitters off his fastball -- which arrives at the plate on a relatively flat plane because of his vertically challenged stature.

"He was a down-the-line guy," said Mike Arbuckle, a senior adviser to Royals GM Dayton Moore. "All the ingredients made him a middle-round draft pick. He was only a reliever. He wasn't big. He wasn't a name guy. But that's where the scouts make a difference. We ought to know and be right on the first couple of picks. But it's those middle-round guys that your scouts push and say, 'We need to get this guy,' who make your organization."

The right temperament

Holland waited his turn behind Joakim Soria and Jonathan Broxton in Kansas City before embracing the opportunity to pitch in more high-leverage situations late last season. He finished the 2012 season with 16 saves and began this year as the Royals' closer. But he mixed in two clunkers in the first week, and some panic-stricken Royals watchers began advocating for manager Ned Yost to give Kelvin Herrera a shot.

Holland, meanwhile, projected an air of calm and an admirable ability to take things in stride.

"He struggled, but you never would have known it," Gordon said. "Everybody knew he was upset when he blew a save, but from the way he came into the clubhouse, it didn't look like it affected him one bit. He was very professional. He answered all the questions just like a closer is supposed to do."

Holland has the stuff to hang around a while. He throws his fastball at an average speed of 95.6 mph, not far below Chapman (97.7) and Kimbrel (96.6), and his slider has developed into a wipeout pitch. He complements those two offerings with a splitter that he throws about 5 percent of the time. Since 2011, lefty hitters are batting .184 against him, while righties check in at .211.

Because of Holland's velocity, hitters have to start the bat early to catch up with his fastball and routinely leave themselves vulnerable against his secondary pitches. He generates lots of sorry emergency hacks and nervous looks once he's ahead in the count.

"You have to sell out to get ready for that 100 [mph]," Kipnis said. "He threw a slider that bounced maybe six feet in front of the plate, and I swung and it bounced and hit my bat and went for a foul ball. I was laughing in the box. I was like, 'Geez, I was so bad I was good on that one.'"

Few hitters who step to the plate against Holland these days have the luxury of laughing at any point in the encounter. Feel free to call him "Dirty South," the pride of McDowell County or Craig Kimbrel's American League bookend. The Royals keep calling him in the ninth, and the result is almost always the same: good morning, good afternoon and good night.

ChiefsCountry 07-22-2013 11:03 AM

He is still no Jim Johnson.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 11:11 AM

LMAO

Mama Hip Rockets 07-22-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9826988)
This is on the front page of ESPN today.

Cool. Thanks for sharing.

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 11:22 AM

My hope for the week (I think):

1) Lose 3/4 to the O's (one win coming behind a STRONG start from Ervin Santana)
2) Begin shopping Ervin Santana
3) Work on a deal with Texas. I just talked about this on the scout board, but Santana's trade value is likely right around Matt Garza's. If they could get Mike Olt and Neil Ramirez from the Rangers for Santana, I think that's a move worth exploring.

Olt is struggling this year but is only 18 months removed from being a higher-regarded prospect than Jurickson Profar. He's a RH power bat who could be transitioned to RF as soon as they acquired. Potentially, he could start in RF for KC in 2014.

Ramirez has great stuff but hasn't put it all together yet. Near-MLB rotation depth.

High-risk, high-reward type deal. If it went RIGHT and Olt contends for AL RotY in 2014 (think Mark Trumbo - similar hitters) while Ramirez offers rotation help and upside, you're in pretty good shape on that deal.

Reaper16 07-22-2013 11:27 AM

The Royals traded for Gorkys Hernandez (assigned to Omaha), for some reason.

DeezNutz 07-22-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9827050)
The Royals traded for Gorkys Hernandez (assigned to Omaha), for some reason.

I honestly read Gorky as Corky, and I was like, ****, isn't he already on the roster?

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9827050)
The Royals traded for Gorkys Hernandez (assigned to Omaha), for some reason.

Former top 100 prospect. OF with speed (and little pop).

Just throwing a dart, I'd guess. This is probably why Alex McClure (son of former pitching coach and all-glove SS) is headed to the Miami system.

Three7s 07-22-2013 11:38 AM

Dirty south eh? Not bad.

Reaper16 07-22-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9827069)
Former top 100 prospect. OF with speed (and little pop).

Just throwing a dart, I'd guess. This is probably why Alex McClure (son of former pitching coach and all-glove SS) is headed to the Miami system.

Yeah, that's all it can be.

I remembered him being in the Futures Game a whopping three times. Only other person I could remember being on there 3 times was the esteemed Justin Huber. Which got me thinking: what is the track record for prospects who played in 3 different Futures Games (there's never been someone who played in 4)?

Merkin Valdez
Seung-Jun Song
Carlos Carrasco
Edwin Encarnacion
Shin-Soo Choo
Justin Huber
Gorkys Hernandez

Small list. Encarnacion and Shin-Soo Choo have the only notable careers.

Dartgod 07-22-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 9827094)
Yeah, that's all it can be.

I remembered him being in the Futures Game a whopping three times. Only other person I could remember being on there 3 times was the esteemed Justin Huber. Which got me thinking: what is the track record for prospects who played in 3 different Futures Games (there's never been someone who played in 4)?

Merkin Valdez
Seung-Jun Song
Carlos Carrasco
Edwin Encarnacion
Shin-Soo Choo
Justin Huber
Gorkys Hernandez

Small list. Encarnacion and Shin-Soo Choo have the only notable careers.

Merkin? How unfortunate.

WhawhaWhat 07-22-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 9826922)
My favorite comment on Deadspin: "It was originally four Royals, but the technology doesn't yet exist to sufficiently slow down Billy Butler's eating."

ROFL

Prison Bitch 07-22-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9826673)
One positive thing I will say: you can tell Brett has been working with Hos and Moose. If he can have a similar impact on Salvy/Esky/Butler/Gordon, the lineup will be extremely potent.

Esky? You can't make chicken salad outta chicken sh&t.

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9827038)
My hope for the week (I think):

1) Lose 3/4 to the O's (one win coming behind a STRONG start from Ervin Santana)
2) Begin shopping Ervin Santana
3) Work on a deal with Texas. I just talked about this on the scout board, but Santana's trade value is likely right around Matt Garza's. If they could get Mike Olt and Neil Ramirez from the Rangers for Santana, I think that's a move worth exploring.

Olt is struggling this year but is only 18 months removed from being a higher-regarded prospect than Jurickson Profar. He's a RH power bat who could be transitioned to RF as soon as they acquired. Potentially, he could start in RF for KC in 2014.

Ramirez has great stuff but hasn't put it all together yet. Near-MLB rotation depth.

High-risk, high-reward type deal. If it went RIGHT and Olt contends for AL RotY in 2014 (think Mark Trumbo - similar hitters) while Ramirez offers rotation help and upside, you're in pretty good shape on that deal.

If we could swing a deal for Olt or Profar out of Santana and put together a deal for Castellanos centered around Holland, we easily have one of the highest potential line-ups in MLB.

GloryDayz 07-22-2013 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9827232)
Esky? You can't make chicken salad outta chicken sh&t.

This.... :thumb:

BlackHelicopters 07-22-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9827232)
Esky? You can't make chicken salad outta chicken sh&t.

Esky's time has to be nearing an end. Sadly, right now, he is the best option.

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9827240)
If we could swing a deal for Olt or Profar out of Santana and put together a deal for Castellanos centered around Holland, we easily have one of the highest potential line-ups in MLB.

First: Major kudos for correct use of "Centered." You made this old grammar nazi/copy editor happy.

Second: I'd be happy with the first one. I don't think they would do Profar for a short-term pitching boost, but they'd do Olt.

Honestly, I love Profar and would love to get hands on him. But if I can do Santana and nothing else for Olt and maybe another piece or two, I wouldn't be upset with that.

Not sure what Detroit would offer for Holland, but you'd think they would have to overpay. Castellanos is about their only major piece in the minors, so you'd think he would have to be involved.

With Holland, their odds of winning the WS this year and next increase dramatically, I think.

GloryDayz 07-22-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9827290)
Esky's time has to be nearing an end. Sadly, right now, he is the best option.

'Nuff said...

WhawhaWhat 07-22-2013 03:01 PM

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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Garza has been scratched from start tonite, and deal with #rangers is close, as @Ken_Rosenthal reported
Can't wait to see what the Royals could have had.

WhawhaWhat 07-22-2013 03:02 PM

:banghead:

Nightfyre 07-22-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9827475)
Can't wait to see what the Royals could have had.

Remember when we could have traded Soria for Derek Holland? Yea...

tk13 07-22-2013 03:18 PM

Sounds like Mike Olt, CJ Edwards, and a player to be named.

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9827523)
Sounds like Mike Olt, CJ Edwards, and a player to be named.

Great deal for the Cubs and fantasy owners who have Mike Olt on their team.

Will be tough to look back on for KC.

BlackHelicopters 07-22-2013 03:30 PM

Incompetent GMDM.

BlackHelicopters 07-22-2013 03:32 PM

:banghead::banghead:

BlackHelicopters 07-22-2013 03:33 PM

28 years

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9827499)
Remember when we could have traded Soria for Derek Holland? Yea...

I don't remember ever seeing that offer. I remember a lot of people thinking the Yankees would offer Jesus Montero with no evidence to back it up.

AustinChief 07-22-2013 03:34 PM

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The Texas Rangers have traded for Cubs pitcher Matt Garza in exchange for Justin Grimm, Mike Olt, C.J. Edwards and a player to be named later
According to Dallas Morning News the deal is done. Would have been a sweet deal for the Royals but the plus side is that it sets a pretty high value now for anyone wanting Santana.

ChiefsCountry 07-22-2013 03:35 PM

So what are the White Sox wanting for Peavy?

duncan_idaho 07-22-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9827561)
According to Dallas Morning News the deal is done. Would have been a sweet deal for the Royals but the plus side is that it sets a pretty high value now for anyone wanting Santana.

Yes.

If I'm Dayton Moore, I would have done that for Olt and Edwards. But cest la vie.

Hopefully, they still move Santana. Should be able to extra a similar or slightly better package for Ervin.

Three7s 07-22-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9827565)
Yes.

If I'm Dayton Moore, I would have done that for Olt and Edwards. But cest la vie.

Hopefully, they still move Santana. Should be able to extra a similar or slightly better package for Ervin.

IF he moves him, which he won't.

Sure-Oz 07-22-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9827561)
According to Dallas Morning News the deal is done. Would have been a sweet deal for the Royals but the plus side is that it sets a pretty high value now for anyone wanting Santana.

GMDM HAS to listen....and make the move. It's like the Royals need to lose now...they aren't winning this division

This has made Santana even more valuable at this point as it comes down to the deadline. Wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers, Cards and some other contenders jump on to try and ask for him.

Brianfo 07-22-2013 08:29 PM

Blow it up. Santana should garner some attention and put Billay fatass on the mkt too. He has been the largest disappointment this year. He got a pretty big payday for a fat unathletic DH. Epic fail by the front office. Give one of your biggest contracts to a fatass DH that can't play the field. This team is just never gonna win.

Brianfo 07-22-2013 08:42 PM

.274 .372 .401
18doubles 8 hr

Here's your #3 hitter Royals fans. Come to the park and watch him hit into a double play or pop up to the second baseman and then yell at the home plate ump.

DJJasonp 07-22-2013 08:42 PM

Well.....thanks Dayton.....you bridged the gap from College Basketball to Training Camp!

Now it's time to SELL, SELL, SELL.

What do they say about not learning from history? (You're doomed to repeat it)

Butler is another Sweeney, waiting to happen. Trade him now, before it happens to us yet again.

And as much as I love having a good pitching staff.......I cant imagine Santana having this good of season again next year.

Brianfo 07-22-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 9828278)
Well.....thanks Dayton.....you bridged the gap from College Basketball to Training Camp!

Now it's time to SELL, SELL, SELL.

What do they say about not learning from history? (You're doomed to repeat it)

Butler is another Sweeney, waiting to happen. Trade him now, before it happens to us yet again.

And as much as I love having a good pitching staff.......I cant imagine Santana having this good of season again next year.

Define good pitching staff. Shields and Santana have been good, but Guthrie is flirting with ave at a huge contract. Wade Davies sucks and Chen/Dozer are just flip the coin. Blow this thing up and start at the top. Realize we can't fire the owner, but start from there.

Brianfo 07-22-2013 09:00 PM

Sorry to vent. I have taken my kids to 4 games this year and we have seen them win every game. Made some amazing memories. It's not cheap to go to a game. Oh well. Guess we made some memories. End of rant. Trade Billy Butler. Fat, unathletic. Any takers.

WhawhaWhat 07-22-2013 09:02 PM

Quote:

Sporting News ‏@sportingnews
Pittsburgh closer Jason Grilli exited the Pirates' game early on Monday night with an apparent arm injury
Hello Pittsburgh, need a closer?

GloryDayz 07-22-2013 09:21 PM

I'm still trying to think of something positive to say that's a step to this team being competitive as a team, and not a breading grounds for some other team that's already there.

Perhaps I should sleep on it!

Sure-Oz 07-22-2013 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9828317)
Hello Pittsburgh, need a closer?

Their setup man has a 0.97 era in 46 ip, they have depth

Shogun 07-22-2013 09:26 PM

I dont know how to tell when a Royal baby is going to be born, but I now now how a Royal Abortion is performed. Baltimore comes into town.

Bambi 07-22-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9828317)
Hello Pittsburgh, need a closer?

Getting excited about the possibility of acquiring prospects from the ****ing Pittsburgh Pirates.

What a disaster.

WhawhaWhat 07-22-2013 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 9828381)
Getting excited about the possibility of acquiring prospects from the ****ing Pittsburgh Pirates.

What a disaster.

They have some good talent in the minors.

Chiefspants 07-22-2013 09:59 PM

The problem is that Dayton isn't committing to being a buyer or a seller.

If you're a buyer, add a freaking bat that will give this team at least some hope of contention.

If you're a seller, sell Santana to the highest bidder and reload for the future.

But, so far Dayton has shown he's committed to doing it halfway while simply hoping for the best. "Remember, kids, this is the team that went 17-10!"

Chiefspants 07-22-2013 10:16 PM

Rofl, Wade Davis is currently trending on twitter.

Chiefspants 07-22-2013 10:17 PM

Turpolk Bawbi ‏@ceej_money_ 13m
"Miguel Cabrera career on-base % is 398. Opponents against Wade Davis: 393. Davis turns opponents lineups into 9 Miguel Cabreras

Demonpenz 07-22-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9827290)
Esky's time has to be nearing an end. Sadly, right now, he is the best option.

I mean...you can't believe this...not in KC...it takes Larry Johnson spitting Don John all over some slore in martini corner...it takes Francour hitting .200 but finally lashing out over how slow billy butler is.....it takes Angel Berrora refusing to learn english.... Esky has 2 more years.

teedubya 07-22-2013 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9828463)
Turpolk Bawbi ‏@ceej_money_ 13m
"Miguel Cabrera career on-base % is 398. Opponents against Wade Davis: 393. Davis turns opponents lineups into 9 Miguel Cabreras

ROFL

BlackHelicopters 07-23-2013 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9828477)
I mean...you can't believe this...not in KC...it takes Larry Johnson spitting Don John all over some slore in martini corner...it takes Francour hitting .200 but finally lashing out over how slow billy butler is.....it takes Angel Berrora refusing to learn english.... Esky has 2 more years.

This , SADLY, is probably true.

GloryDayz 07-23-2013 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9828437)
The problem is that Dayton isn't committing to being a buyer or a seller.

If you're a buyer, add a freaking bat that will give this team at least some hope of contention.

If you're a seller, sell Santana to the highest bidder and reload for the future.

But, so far Dayton has shown he's committed to doing it halfway while simply hoping for the best. "Remember, kids, this is the team that went 17-10!"

As with senior leadership in any industry, once all hope is lost, and you're not the owner, you manage both angry and with reckless abandon for the chance that you'll catch lightening in a bottle. This is usually where ownership takes the keys from the driver as to not let them mangle the car any more than it already is, but in the case of the Royals the higher up you go in the leadership ranks the less good they are at managing their part of the pie. As bad as our players are, and except for a few players, Royals players are bad compared to equivalent positions on other teams (!!!), our non-player "leadership" is FAR FAR FAR worse...

Prison Bitch 07-23-2013 08:02 AM

Is Escobar one of the biggest turds in recent Royals history? He just goes up hacking, no gameplan at the plate. In the field he's quit, his concentration has completely left him as he makes poor plays now.


We'll get 20 WAR out of Cain & Escobar? So what. We'd have gotten 20 WAR playing Jarrod Dyson & Mike Aviles. If you trade for guys who give you only what you can get on your own, that's a bad trade.

Prison Bitch 07-23-2013 08:07 AM

Is Escobar one of the biggest turds in recent Royals history? He just goes up hacking, no gameplan at the plate. In the field he's quit, his concentration has completely left him as he makes poor plays now.


We'll get 20 WAR out of Cain & Escobar? So what. We'd have gotten 20 WAR playing Jarrod Dyson & Mike Aviles. If you trade for guys who give you only what you can get on your own, that's a bad trade.

HemiEd 07-23-2013 08:37 AM

Is it time to put Hochevar back in the starting line up and sit Davis?

Prison Bitch 07-23-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 9828790)
Is it time to put Hochevar back in the starting line up and sit Davis?

Deck chairs on the Titanic

BigCatDaddy 07-23-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 9828790)
Is it time to put Hochevar back in the starting line up and sit Davis?

No. Will Smith should get the next shot IMO. They need to try to figure something out for next year and Hoch won't be a Royal next year.

P-90Rex 07-23-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9828797)
No. Will Smith should get the next shot IMO. They need to try to figure something out for next year and Hoch won't be a Royal next year.

If he's ready it's gotta be Duffy, right? I'm not against Smith, but he'd be my second choice. Hoch third option. Davis...not an option at all. Neither is Mendoza.


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