You do realize that W/L record on the pitcher doesn't equal W/L in games they pitch.

Holy shit.

Not only does this dude not understand W/L, but he takes a picture of his damn computer screen.

So bad.

He also has roughly the same number of strikeouts as hits.

Oh, I get it, but he's 4-6... That's 4 wins credited to him over his last 10 starts. So you can dig as deep into as you'd like, play the part of a baseball nerd, but he's not been served well by the hitting on this team and he's 4-6 right now.

So when he pitches next, we'll see what they say he is 4-6 or some other glass-half-full stat.

You are ****ing reeruned.

:doh!:

Of any recordable statistic in baseball, pitcher W/L is probably the most useless for judging player ability. That the Royals have won 8 of the last 9 games he's started is much more quantifiable.

And of those 8 wins, he's credited with 2. Like I said, I get it, I'm not lost on the concept. He's good, he's a veteran, he's been boned by the pen, he's been boned by the offense, he's God's gift to pitching, bla bla bla.... We'd all like to have five of him on the team. But we don't.

Maybe we can all sit together at the K during the wins he'll get during the playoffs this year.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend (you aren't part of the Glass family)...

Dude. No one can seriously be this stupid.

You are giving yourself an aneurysm over the most useless stat in baseball - and you dont even understand it in the first place.

To your question:

Jarrod Dyson is having a nice season and provides the great D and baserunning you'd expect from him, when in the game. Cain is on pace for 4.4 bWAR or 3.5 fWAR, both impressive totals that establish him as a well-above average CF. It's unlikely Dyson could reach those totals in a full season, because some of his flaws would get exposed if playing every day (like his inability to hit lefthanded pitching).

No one evaluates trades the way you're trying to, because it becomes a convoluted exercise that tells you nothing about the trade itself. You can't track every breadcrumb that eventualizes from a trade. How would you track the value KC gets out of Odorizzi?

There's really nothing to support your assertion it was a salary dump. And there's really nothing to support continuing to blast on the trade. The Royals got two valuable, cheap, controlled, above-average everyday players back for Greinke, and another piece was used as collateral elsewhere.

Like I said, Moore has made plenty of mistakes. Hammering on the Greinke deal is just dumb, really. There's nothing wrong with the return received there.

Wins tell you about as much about how good a pitcher actually is as his eye color. It was a little bit different when starters often pitched complete games, but in today's baseball setting, wins are next to worthless.

See: Roger Clemens 2004 season, in which every stat except wins made it clear he was the best pitcher in baseball, but he only won 11 or 12 games (for a team that was a contending team, no less).

Exactly. The win totals for a lot of good pitchers has started to decrease over the years because they pull starters so much earlier. The last 25+ game winner was Bob Welch 23 years ago. Cy Young voters have also changed their opinions on pure wins and losses.

Glass loves you... You're the stat he counts on...

Seriously, you guys making lemonade out of lemons, thinking people don't understand how you're making it, is just funny...

So I hope you feel like you have some kind of corner on the market for all things obvious, but alas, you do not.

Well, I'll give you this, some of you have found the silver lining in the storm cloud. And what's funny, he and his wins will be gone long before he gets the support he needs to help this team make a playoff run.

Trading for Shields, given what the Royals sacrificed, was epically stupid. However, one can hold this correct opinion without mitigating the impressive talent of Shields himself.

That's why they reference it as they announce the who the pitchers are... "It's 4-6 Tommy John who has green eyes going up against the 9-2 Tony Johnson who has blue eyes." Yeah, that's what they say...

Yeah, it actually does mean something... It may not tell the whole story, but it's not irrelevant either. And as starters do get pulled earlier it might grow less meaningful.

But one thing's for sure, I'm Shield's 2nd biggest fan now, he totally made this team awesome and a contender. He sure did provide the leadership we needed for the youngs kids to step up and realize their full potential..

:thumb:

He is good, I'll give you that, he's just not playing for an owner that'll surround him with players who will ever pull their load, cumulatively, enough to make a run for anything meaningful.

Won games? I think those are the stats everybody should count on also.

LMAO

This just keeps getting worse.

Here, I'll help you: "I was wrong. I posted something really stupid via screenshot because the point was lost on me. Sorry, I'll quit making myself look more pathetic and try to learn something from my mistake."

There. Better?

I think not... Perhaps I'll say something after his next start when the announce him as "The Royals winning 8 of his last 9 starts" instead and not mentioning the 4-6 stat. Oh, that's tomorrow (unless it rains here), and they might mention what you see below. So far, short of the live broadcast that has yet to air, he's being introduced as being 4-6 and going up against Fister who's 7-5. Interestingly they do show the ERA, but alas, nothing about how many wins they've had in their last nine starts, nothing about any family member who won a pie contest, nothing about having won yard of the month any number of months over the last nine months, and nothing about what their eye colors are. Nope, it's 7-5 Fister against 4-6 Shields and their ERAs (which Shields' is better!)...

I'm happy we've won those games, and that's the common ground we stand on. And that's a good thing...


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I'm glad we have Shields on this team. It's been a long time since KC actually have a decent starting pitcher that's worth a shit, outside of Grienke's unbelievable Cy Young year. Santana as well. I guess some of us have short term memory of shitty pitchers before Shields and Santana was here....

Wins and losses for starting pitchers is a useless stat.

Glory "Clown Shoes" Dayz

I'm glad we have him too, just sorry he probably won't ever have a supporting cast that'll do anything but waste his talent.

LOL, from the guy who's afraid of Bruno Mars... Nice...

This I could buy considering that Getz and Moose have been black holes on the offensive side. The big question is though, is Moose fixed? It's only two games, I know, but his production have been fairly decent. I'm not holding my breath that he has turned the corner, but it's a encouraging sign that he took two walks yesterday and had a productive day today.

Moose has light tower power. That ball was low and away and he parked it.

You probably thought it was great when the Royals signed 19-game winner Storm Davis, am I right?

TV broadcasts also reverently reference bullshit things like giving up outs early in games to advance runners or hitting with RISP like it is truly a scientific process and a variety of other things that speak to old-school fans or Lowest Common Denominator fans. Doesn't make those things any LESS bullshit.

I remember not hating that signing, but shit... talk about an omen of things to come.

I'm just happy we are talking meaningful baseball in July. Last time that happened I was 10 years old.

Do you really think this team has a shot?

I think glory dayz should take less of them
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LOL, it was straight water, tea and Gatorade yesterday, but that might change today...

You literally know nothing about how modern baseball works. Yes, Jeremy Guthrie is clearly a superior pitcher because he's 9-7 rather than 4-6. Pitcher W/L is entirely dependent on receiving run support, of which the Royals are absolutely terrible at providing. Add to this the fact that this year, the Royals are a "come from behind" team and can only hit when they get into the opponent's bullpen, in which the games he's gone 6+ IP mean nothing to the stat when he's only giving up 1 run over 6-7 innings.

Glory Dayz is > < this close to the ignore list.

Glory Dayz calls a "Fastball" a "speedball"

Again, I get it, I'm just not in the mood these days to listen or read about any thin silver linings in Royals baseball. Let his agent bring-up that shit. I want to focus on the the only stat that really matters, team wins and losses.

I think silver linings are what consistently allow this organization, and the Chiefs too, to dupe good people in cities like KC to be happy with losing teams. That's why I no longer care about nice guys, players showing up at shelters, if the team goes to church, if players are juicing and staying one step ahead of the technology to catch them. I don't care who's on the roster and if the kiss babies at public events at the mall.

I want a winner, a contender, and teams that other teams fear when they come to town. We're not far from it, but then again, we're always not far from it.

You're killing me Smalls! :thumb:

Well, not 8 out of the 9 last times....

Why you....you.....you.....you......

Magnificent.

I think glory's problem is he has been too sober.

I found images of Glass' grandkids as they realize that with the current mindset, they prolly have 20 more years of smooth sailing ahead as grand dad will continue to take advantage of the sheep...

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Good point...

Whomever worked in "absentee" into David Glass' wikipedia entry... good on ya.

"David Dayne Glass (born September 2, 1935)[1] is the former President and Chief Executive Officer of Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.. He is currently the absentee Owner and Chief Executive Officer of the Kansas City Royals."

:thumb:

Had the throw-in the phrase KC-hating, waste treatment plant pond-scum sucking scum-bag, piece of shit, asshole, and Satan's seed (from an anal pregnancy)....that would have been more accurate and very much appreciated!

How's that?

Sandlot references will definitely help get you out of the doghouse.

Far more accurate. Like!

And what makes you think I want out? It's a bar for God's sake!

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No one except crotchety old timers think pitching wins provide any real or consistent measure of ability of any pitcher. The only reason broadcasters even include the wins "metric" in their initial overview of a pitcher is because it's TRADITIONAL. No other reason.

Let me put it this way. If James Shields pitches nine innings of one run two hit ball with no walks, and the Royals lose because their offense can't generate anything for one reason or another, Shields has nothing to do with that and. It's unreasonable to assume that a pitcher's base expectation is to throw a complete game shutout every start, because that's impossible. If a pitcher goes 0-16 with 1.50 ERA and averages 8 innings and 9 K's a start, clearly that means he's a bad pitcher, right? Dumbass.

I was going to ask if we’re going to go with 4-7 or 8-out-of-the-last-10 now and follow it up with a LOL gif.

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I decided that might not be the best thing to do…

OK, I'm sorry 'bout that...

Rich Eisen said the game Friday night was the funnest he had had at a baseball game in years
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"I made a really stupid error that I refuse to admit to, and now I'm posting a ton of gifs to draw attention away from it."

Its not meaningful. Im telling you now, the Royals have no shotbat the playoffs unless the Indians and Tigers plane runs into the side of a mountain.

Per Jon Morosi twitter-Sources: #Rangers have checked in with #Royals about Ervin Santana. He is a Garza alternative. Problem is, KC not ready to sell. @FoxSports1

"C'mon, Dayton, we'll give you Profar!"

"Nope, we're competing!"

Yea, Profar would bump Esky over to 2B and we would have one of the best keystone tandems pretty much ever.

And put Escobar on notice if he cannot hit. Easier to replace 2B than SS.

Not convinced that we have the answer to SS on the roster.

I think we could carry his bat if we had above-average production at RF (Lough is near that right now, but I don't think he's a long-term solution) and 3B, average production at 2B and more typical years from Butler and Gordon.

As you can see, though, we have a lot of work to do offensively.

There is no chance we are going to catch either DET or CLE. ****ing sell already and let's get it going.i

Esky has to be running out of time. His defense is average+. Playoffs? We are far from the playoffs. GMDM is delusional. 10 year plan.

Esky's biggest problem at the plate is his approach. fortunately, that is coachable.

Also, Profar is struggling just as badly as Esky at this point.

Yeah, I don't really agree. His biggest problems are: 1. Zone awareness, which isn't coachable at this point. 2. A long swing, which can be refined, if the player is receptive to coaching.

The problem is, Dayton has to be worried about saving his ass. Selling essentially means he's giving up on the season. Ain't gonna happen.

Or... in our case, very unfortunate.

If he keeps Santana (or any of our ML trade bait, for that matter), I'm somewhat confident that he may be on the hot seat, trying to sneak into the postseason this year to save himself for the future. If he starts selling, he's probably pretty confident that he's going to be back in 2014 and can play for the future. At least that's how I'm seeing it.

I certainly don't expect Glasshole to do anything, barring a ridiculous dropoff in the 2nd half of the season, but it's a nice thought. Just feel like we're kinda stuck. Dayton certainly isn't the one to turn KC into a contender, but I'm fairly sure Glasshole won't do anything as long as the team is in "striking distance" (aka within 10 games of Detroit, Cleveland, the Wild Card, or .500....).

Sadly, your probably right. 79-85 wins won't get us in the playoffs, but it might buy DM more time.......

Just kill me now.

He's 10x the player Escobar is. I cannot stand watching Alcides Berroa swing the bat.

Tampa 16-2 run now. Should've traded Myers for Andrew Friedman

Pretty much this. Sell. And noonoe is off limits save Gordon and Salvy.

Hos should be off-limits at this juncture, imo.

Dayton will not sell. His contract expires after next season...he's going to give it one last shot...I think Santana is re-signed going into next season...we'll try this again, this time hopefully without Getz or Franceour. When coaches start getting replaced (Brett coming in) and veterans start getting sent down for assignments (Franceour) the writing is on the wall IMO. I think we sign another pitcher via FA heading into next season to compliment Duffy returning at full strength next season...hopefully when it's time to trade Shields and Santana, then Ventura and Zimmer will be waiting to take over. Might be a pipe dream though.

Shields
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Duffy

Not sure what we'd be able to get out of Billy Butler. I'm all for selling him if it means another SP. Try and trade or sign Raul Ibanez as a DH as a stop gap and just hope he doesn't need a wheelchair next season. All the mother****er has done this season is sit his fat ****ing ass on the bench, been a liability on the base path and pops out a lot. Didn't Butler set a major league record a couple seasons ago for most double plays hit into? (horrible phrasing I know).

Butler is a good hitter, with "some" power....but he can't lift the ball out of the park like these other sluggers around the league can. And it's not because of the ballpark we play in...that's so much bullshit. This guy can't even top 30HR's. None of our guys can. 30HR's in this day in age isn't shit anymore folks. It's ****ing sickening. We haven't had a 30HR guy since Dye. Beltran did it the year we traded him but so what ..he didn't finish the season w/ us so what good does it to include him in that conversation?

We've sold our souls w/ these little dick 20-25HR guys like Sweeney, Guillen, and now Butler ...and probably Hosmer Gordon and Moose when it's all said and done. This team has no ****ing power. Just little league small ball baby shit. I'm sick n tired of it. You can't win without hitting the god damn long ball.

The ****? There isn't an untouchable piece on this Roster.

With his contract and ability I'd say Perez is untouchable.

Hos is cost controlled for the next three years and has hit .290 this year while showing good plate discipline and even starting to get back some pop. If we could get him extended, that would be even better.

I'm not really adding much, but I would like to point out that Francouer's with the Giants if you didn't know already.

Which mkds him tht much more desirable with the right team if we get something of value.