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DeepSouth 07-15-2014 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10747994)
Glass spoke today;

Said if we have a good second half, we'll be in a good place to make the playoffs.

Gave Ned and Dayton a vote of confidence.

When asked about making a trade at the deadline, he said we're a small market team, and that limits us some. Sounds like he'd be willing to take on more payroll if there was a good deal out there.

probably more, but those were the highlights I heard on 610 just now.

I just read the entire transcript. I like his answers. His "I'm obsessed with winning" and "Dan, Dayton, and Ned probably wish I'd find something else to do" comments make me think he really does want to win. And, he doesn't expect the Royals to make money, just break even over a period of several years.

C3HIEF3S 07-15-2014 01:55 PM

I look at David Glass and just think of winning.

Sure-Oz 07-15-2014 02:10 PM

Dan Glass knows what about baseball? Same shit

siberian khatru 07-15-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10748049)
Speaking of stories, remember Mickey Cobb - Hobbled Royals Trainer from the 77-90? Good dude, and still lives in KC

Sure do.

ChiTown 07-15-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 10748098)
Sure do.

Mickey wrote a book a couple of years ago entitled: A Step and a Half. Nice, easy read about his life, struggles and triumph.

BlackHelicopters 07-15-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 10748052)
I just read the entire transcript. I like his answers. His "I'm obsessed with winning" and "Dan, Dayton, and Ned probably wish I'd find something else to do" comments make me think he really does want to win. And, he doesn't expect the Royals to make money, just break even over a period of several years.

Link to transcript?

nychief 07-15-2014 03:15 PM

He might make money if attendance wasn't so shitty.

blake5676 07-15-2014 03:27 PM

I honestly haven't been keeping up on the rumors, and I know this is totally "fed ex guy level", but I read on facebook just now that Billy to Seattle is basically done. The guy who wrote about it is apparently friends with Greg Genske? who is fatboy's agent I guess.

I wouldn't put a ton of stock into it, but anyone see names floating around in the rumor mill on how this would actually play out?? I can't imagine Billy has any value in bringing back a good prospect...certainly not any of their young arms.


Edit: Sorry...just read through the last few pages and didn't see it discussed today. So now it appears I'm just THAT GUY giving substance to an internet rumor that has a stong possibility of being garbage.

teedubya 07-15-2014 03:44 PM

I just heard that Billy to Seattle is a done deal from a dude on the internet named blake5676.

ChiTown 07-15-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 10748198)
I just heard that Billy to Seattle is a done deal from a dude on the internet named blake5676.

:thumb: - putting it on my twitter account now!

TLO 07-15-2014 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blake5676 (Post 10748163)
I honestly haven't been keeping up on the rumors, and I know this is totally "fed ex guy level", but I read on facebook just now that Billy to Seattle is basically done. The guy who wrote about it is apparently friends with Greg Genske? who is fatboy's agent I guess.

I wouldn't put a ton of stock into it, but anyone see names floating around in the rumor mill on how this would actually play out?? I can't imagine Billy has any value in bringing back a good prospect...certainly not any of their young arms.


Edit: Sorry...just read through the last few pages and didn't see it discussed today. So now it appears I'm just THAT GUY giving substance to an internet rumor that has a stong possibility of being garbage.

Ok gang....

ChiTown 07-15-2014 03:51 PM

So, let's just say that Butler to SEA is a real possibility. SEA would have to trade us prospects, which we would then turn around and trade for a MLB RF'r? If not, I don't get what we would be trying to achieve, because SEA doesn't have any MLB ready bats to trade to the Royals.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10747994)
Glass spoke today;

Said if we have a good second half, we'll be in a good place to make the playoffs.

Gave Ned and Dayton a vote of confidence.

When asked about making a trade at the deadline, he said we're a small market team, and that limits us some. Sounds like he'd be willing to take on more payroll if there was a good deal out there.

probably more, but those were the highlights I heard on 610 just now.

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Originally Posted by blake5676 (Post 10748163)
I honestly haven't been keeping up on the rumors, and I know this is totally "fed ex guy level", but I read on facebook just now that Billy to Seattle is basically done. The guy who wrote about it is apparently friends with Greg Genske? who is fatboy's agent I guess.

I wouldn't put a ton of stock into it, but anyone see names floating around in the rumor mill on how this would actually play out?? I can't imagine Billy has any value in bringing back a good prospect...certainly not any of their young arms.

No clue what it would bring back at this point, but it would be a very weird stuation.

Wildcard competitor trades a player to the team it is chasing in the wildcard? Weird indeed.

Just based on that, I'd imagine the price might be even a little higher than it normally would be. I suspect the Royals would get prospects back - probably something a little farther away from MLB.

And the Royals would absolutely have to do it as step 1 of a two-step plan that involves bringing in another bat. Butler has been a big disappointment this year, but he still has more upside from a planning perspective than just deciding to go with Ibanez/Dyson in some form of platoon.

SAUTO 07-15-2014 04:20 PM

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stonedstooge 07-15-2014 04:49 PM

Belly for King Felix?

Why Not? 07-15-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge (Post 10748307)
Belly for King Felix?

Meh. Only if they throw in Cano and pay most of his salary.

WhawhaWhat 07-16-2014 06:35 AM

John Buck was released yesterday by the Mariners. He should be on a plane to KC as soon as possible and Brett Hayes should be moving to the Legends area for his new job with the T-Bones.

RockChalk 07-16-2014 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10749089)
John Buck was released yesterday by the Mariners. He should be on a plane to KC as soon as possible and Brett Hayes should be moving to the Legends area for his new job with the T-Bones.

Dude, he has 5 hits, with 1 HR and 1 2B. Quality backup stuff right there.

Just because...Ibanez has one less hit with about the same amount of AB's as Hayes. Quality starting OF stuff right there.

TLO 07-16-2014 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10745188)
I think we should fire up "Part II" of this thread coming out of the break.

Bumping my idea incase Duncan hasn't seen it.

ChiefsCountry 07-16-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10749200)
Bumping my idea incase Duncan hasn't seen it.

Part II shows up when this thread starts getting AIDs. We aren't there yet.

ChiefsCountry 07-16-2014 09:36 AM

Pretty solid interview with David Glass
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb...cle733190.html

RockChalk 07-16-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10749223)
Part II shows up when this thread starts getting AIDs. We aren't there yet.

I'd argue otherwise since PB has his usual dumb takes and pointless arguments, but we know that Part II won't prevent us from those.

duncan_idaho 07-16-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10749223)
Part II shows up when this thread starts getting AIDs. We aren't there yet.

This.

Or when the server starts crapping out because of the size of the thread.

siberian khatru 07-16-2014 10:17 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> acquire right-handed reliever Jason Frasor from the Rangers for fellow righty Spencer Patton, who was at Omaha.</p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/statuses/489443117876011009">July 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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siberian khatru 07-16-2014 10:19 AM

I honestly did not know that Jason Frasor was 1) 36 years old, and 2) has been pitching since 2004. I remember him with the Blue Jays, but I didn't realize that went back so many years.

duncan_idaho 07-16-2014 10:30 AM

It's an OK minor move that strengthens the bullpen a little bit. PAtton started the year really strong but has been beat up a little bit of late. Not sure he has major league stuff.

Hopefully is paired with a few moves that affect the everyday roster or lineup...

Archie F. Swin 07-16-2014 10:32 AM

How many batters did Holland face last night?

RockChalk 07-16-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10749310)
How many batters did Holland face last night?

3

WhawhaWhat 07-16-2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 10749377)
3

Still took him 9 pitches though.

RockChalk 07-16-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10749383)
Still took him 9 pitches though.

Well he's no Jim Johnson, that's for sure

Mama Hip Rockets 07-16-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 10749279)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash">#Royals</a> acquire right-handed reliever Jason Frasor from the Rangers for fellow righty Spencer Patton, who was at Omaha.</p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/statuses/489443117876011009">July 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I like this move. 3.65 career ERA and 8.6 K/9. I'll certainly take that over what Mariot/Coleman have offered up this year.

Why Not? 07-16-2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 10749429)
I like this move. 3.65 career ERA and 8.6 K/9. I'll certainly take that over what Mariot/Coleman have offered up this year.

If he can't play RF, then meh. But def better then Mariot

Mama Hip Rockets 07-16-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 10749435)
If he can't play RF, then meh. But def better then Mariot

Yeah, obviously not the top priority on the team right now, but it's a good move.

Sure-Oz 07-16-2014 12:13 PM

May be a solid move since they can't count of Coleman or Collins right now

Sure-Oz 07-16-2014 12:13 PM

Passan doesn't believe there is hitter in the market for the Royals. He thinks Byrd would cost the Royals bonofacio. No

duncan_idaho 07-16-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10749452)
Passan doesn't believe there is hitter in the market for the Royals. He thinks Byrd would cost the Royals bonofacio. No

Considering that Bonifacio is still at least two years away from the major leagues, struggling mightily at AA, and has never projected as a superstar, I don't think he's untouchable.

I'd really have no problem with moving him as part of a package for Byrd.

KevB 07-16-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10749449)
May be a solid move since they can't count of Coleman or Collins right now

Agreed, although Frasor has given up runs in four of his last 5 outings (all 1 inning or less).

DJJasonp 07-16-2014 01:54 PM

Any chance the rockies would part with Morneau? They are way below 500.....morneau is signed through 2015 (which would be appealing to KC).

Butler and prospects for Morneau?

:)

Sure-Oz 07-16-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10749485)
Considering that Bonifacio is still at least two years away from the major leagues, struggling mightily at AA, and has never projected as a superstar, I don't think he's untouchable.

I'd really have no problem with moving him as part of a package for Byrd.

Think Byrd waives the no trade. Didn't realize bono was struggling

Sure-Oz 07-17-2014 10:44 AM

@TNT_Mariners: Hearing what @JimBowdenESPNxm previously reported: Marlon Byrd wants $8m option for 2016 guaranteed to waive no-trade clause to #Mariners.

Sure-Oz 07-17-2014 10:45 AM

@TNT_Mariners: Not a rumor, Mike. Have talked. Both interested @michaelengel hearing anything further about the Crasnick "Seattle looking at Butler" rumor?

duncan_idaho 07-17-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10750930)
@TNT_Mariners: Hearing what @JimBowdenESPNxm previously reported: Marlon Byrd wants $8m option for 2016 guaranteed to waive no-trade clause to #Mariners.

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10749954)
Think Byrd waives the no trade. Didn't realize bono was struggling

You've answered your own question there.

I think Byrd would waive it, which adds some risk but also would mitigate some of the pain from sending Bonifacio to Philadelphia (2.5 seasons is easier to stomach than 1.5).

I'm wondering what the Mariners are willing to give up for Butler. No clue, really. We've seen speculation about PB's favorite, Nick Franklin, before. But not sure if the Mariners place more stock in his struggles at MLB level or his AAA performance (former, they're probably willing to move him for Butler; latter, no way).

Discuss Thrower 07-17-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10750960)
You've answered your own question there.

I think Byrd would waive it, which adds some risk but also would mitigate some of the pain from sending Bonifacio to Philadelphia (2.5 seasons is easier to stomach than 1.5).

I'm wondering what the Mariners are willing to give up for Butler. No clue, really.

Three cases of bats, balls and BBQ sauce.

DeepSouth 07-17-2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10750960)
You've answered your own question there.

I think Byrd would waive it, which adds some risk but also would mitigate some of the pain from sending Bonifacio to Philadelphia (2.5 seasons is easier to stomach than 1.5).

I'm wondering what the Mariners are willing to give up for Butler. No clue, really. We've seen speculation about PB's favorite, Nick Franklin, before. But not sure if the Mariners place more stock in his struggles at MLB level or his AAA performance (former, they're probably willing to move him for Butler; latter, no way).

I read an article where the Dodgers are going to have five OF's when one of them comes off the DL. Matt Kemp wants out because he's already fighting for playing time with four OF's. It mentioned the Dodgers would have to eat some of his salary to get a trade partner. Kemp in RF for prospects if they would be willing to eat some salary? Here's the link;
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/a...ery-day-071614

Prison Bitch 07-17-2014 12:09 PM

Obv I wanted to grab Franklin last year and I'm glad to read Dutton claiming that's the guy we like. Getting a 23yr old AAAA player is a good move even if Franklin never becomes a true major leaguer (Giovatella like). And for what? 3 months of Fat Ass? Would be a steal.



That said his value is only at 2B and we signed Infante. With Colon now ready for spot duty there's no logical spot for Franklin. You can't put him at 3B unless you think his power in Sea last year (12 in 369 AB which would make him our team leader this year sadly) is legit. He hit 0 in 47 AB this year.

ChiefsCountry 07-17-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 10751102)
I read an article where the Dodgers are going to have five OF's when one of them comes off the DL. Matt Kemp wants out because he's already fighting for playing time with four OF's. It mentioned the Dodgers would have to eat some of his salary to get a trade partner. Kemp in RF for prospects if they would be willing to eat some salary? Here's the link;
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/a...ery-day-071614

I would do a trade for Kemp if the Dodgers eat the majority of the salary. He can be somebody you can platoon over the years at DH as well.

TLO 07-17-2014 07:42 PM

If you have DirecTV, the Storm Chasers are playing on channel 221.

TLO 07-17-2014 07:45 PM

Some guy named Mortenson for us is sucking ass.

WhawhaWhat 07-17-2014 07:50 PM

Jason Adam was promoted to AAA.

TLO 07-17-2014 07:53 PM

Welp... that's enough minor league baseball for me. LMAO

kcxiv 07-17-2014 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 10751102)
I read an article where the Dodgers are going to have five OF's when one of them comes off the DL. Matt Kemp wants out because he's already fighting for playing time with four OF's. It mentioned the Dodgers would have to eat some of his salary to get a trade partner. Kemp in RF for prospects if they would be willing to eat some salary? Here's the link;
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/a...ery-day-071614

They wont trade kemp unless they get something in return. Its Ethier and Crawford that will be released or traded. Dodgers are going to call up Joc Pederson very soon. Ethier's playing time has dimished alot lately. Kemp has played in just about every game but 1 in the last month or so.

DeepSouth 07-18-2014 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10752290)
They wont trade kemp unless they get something in return. Its Ethier and Crawford that will be released or traded. Dodgers are going to call up Joc Pederson very soon. Ethier's playing time has dimished alot lately. Kemp has played in just about every game but 1 in the last month or so.

After I did the math on his salary, I realized how ridiculous the trade sounded. Kemp is due $107mm over 5.5 years. The Dodgers would have to eat about 1/3 of his salary for the Royals to afford it. And then, the Royals would be paying him between, 12 to 13 million per year. That's a lot but considering what Butler's option is for next year it'd be a steal. But, the Dodgers aren't going to eat 1/3 of his salary.

Sure-Oz 07-18-2014 06:34 AM

Kemp hasn't been healthy and awesome in a few years. Also his #'s are decent but not worth 12 mill

Prison Bitch 07-18-2014 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10752290)
Its Ethier and Crawford that will be released or traded. Dodgers are going to call up Joc Pederson very soon. Ethier's playing time has dimished alot lately.

Perfect then. We'll just wait, go dumpster diving, and pick up someone who's free while the Dodgers pay 100% of the salary.

duncan_idaho 07-18-2014 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10752290)
They wont trade kemp unless they get something in return. Its Ethier and Crawford that will be released or traded. Dodgers are going to call up Joc Pederson very soon. Ethier's playing time has dimished alot lately. Kemp has played in just about every game but 1 in the last month or so.

I imagine it would be ethier who's on the chopping block. He and Crawford have performed at similar levels with the bat, but Crawford offers more skills and is owed more money over a longer contract.

Probably easier to move Ehtier for some sort of return, and definitely easier to stomach cutting him if necessary.

WilliamTheIrish 07-18-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10747882)
Former Royals Equipment Manager Al Zych died in a car wreck Monday at the Lake of the Ozarks.

Are you kidding me? I missed that news. He was a great guy. One summer day, in 77 or 78, (and it was hot as F) several friends and I arrived at the stadium to line up for GA tickets ($ 1.50 at that time).

In those days of consistent sell outs or near sell outs, you had one or two guys station themselves at the gate and one or two station themselves at the GA ticket booth which was located in RF or LF depending on where you sat. The ticket sales for GA started 90 minutes before the game. Once they opened, you bought tix, rushed them to your friends, who then rushed for the front row of GA, saving your seat.
On this day, it was over 100* easily. We arrived at noon to stand in line for a series with the BOSOX (maybe) And we took turns going into the shade to cool down.
As I was walking in the shadows all down the RF line I pass the players entrance and sit down. No players were around as they usually didn't arrive until 4pm. As I'm sitting there a nice man walked up and asked if I needed a drink. I said "Sure". I thought he was going to give me glass of water. Instead, he takes me into the players entrance into the stadium and into the clubhouse. He opens a fridge and hands me a coke. Asks me if I want to look around. So he introduces himself as "Al". I knew immediately who he was. So for an hour or so I wander around the empty clubhouse looking at uniforms and wishing I could ask for a jersey. Was too frightened tho. Honestly, I was hoping he would ask me if I needed a job as a clubhouse attendant. But I was overwhelmed and mortified just to be there. It was a great experience. I had no camera, nothing. Those would have been such great photos.

Anyway, he walked me out and every once in a while Al would exit the RF bullpen before a game and we would exchange waves. To give me, a young kid some of his time on a hot day was just a very nice thing to do.

I made a lot of acquaintances at the stadium in those days. The beer men, the ground crew, the bullpen crew and pitchers. So many great memories.

RIP Al.

Sully 07-18-2014 10:35 AM

Awesome story, and most likely an even awesome-er memory. That's boyhood dream-type stuff there.
Wow

Dartgod 07-18-2014 10:41 AM

I remember the days of getting in line early for right field GA. I never go there early enough for front row, but there were always the same cast of characters seated there. i remember a couple we called can head (he had a baseball cap with a Budweiser can sticking out of it) and Santa Claus. They always had a bunch of chants they used every game.

Good times...

Toadkiller 07-18-2014 10:58 AM

Loved seeing santa in GA. God that brings back a lot of memories.

ChiTown 07-18-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 10752870)
I remember the days of getting in line early for right field GA. I never go there early enough for front row, but there were always the same cast of characters seated there. i remember a couple we called can head (he had a baseball cap with a Budweiser can sticking out of it) and Santa Claus. They always had a bunch of chants they used every game.

Good times...

:clap:

Those were good times. I remember my older brothers taking me to games in RF GA. I think tickets were $2 (??) back in the 70's, but don't completely recall.

teedubya 07-18-2014 11:48 AM

A new baseball documentary is on Netflix, and it's AMAZING.

The Battered Bastards of Baseball, it's about Bing Russell, Kurt's dad, and his owning of the independent baseball team, the Portland Mavericks.

It's great to see how they gave it to organized baseball. I'd never heard of it before, but it was a fun watch. I left it being pissed off at the greed of baseball, though.

It's the real life Bad News Bears... ****ing great. I highly recommend spending 71 minutes watching it.

cabletech94 07-18-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 10752870)
I remember the days of getting in line early for right field GA. I never go there early enough for front row, but there were always the same cast of characters seated there. i remember a couple we called can head (he had a baseball cap with a Budweiser can sticking out of it) and Santa Claus. They always had a bunch of chants they used every game.

Good times...

you guys bringing up mr. santa claus!!! wow, what a great guy!!! i only sat near him a time or 2. what a great memory!!! and a good guy too!!!

Dartgod 07-18-2014 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cabletech94 (Post 10753009)
you guys bringing up mr. santa claus!!! wow, what a great guy!!! i only sat near him a time or 2. what a great memory!!! and a good guy too!!!

We usually sat 3 or 4 rows behind all the regulars in RF. They heckled the opposing right fielders endlessly. And if they ever got them to turn around and look...

Anyong Bluth 07-18-2014 01:19 PM

Again, more info on why we'd be probably lucky to get a few pouches of Big League Chew for trading Butler. Not that addition by subtraction couldn't end up being the best case scenario for getting his shitty bat out of the lineup as well as screwing up our use of speed on base for a slap single scoring offense...


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“More than 360 plate appearances into his season, Butler has hit three home runs. Three. Eugenio Suarez hit three homers in his first eight games in the big leagues. Butler has hit three all year. Two years ago, he slugged .510. This year, he’s slugging .353. In the 42-season history of DHing, there hasn’t been a single “regular” DH (i.e., a guy who DHed in 75 percent of his games) who was given 500 plate appearances without hitting at least five home runs and slugging at least .350. But that’s where Butler is heading — toward a season in which he reaches neither of those pedestrian plateaus.”
Jayson Stark, MLB writer, on why he named the Royals DH as the AL’s Least Valuable Player at the All-Star break, ESPN.com


Three7s 07-18-2014 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 10753092)
Again, more info on why we'd be probably lucky to get a few pouches of Big League Chew for trading Butler. Not that addition by subtraction couldn't end up being the best case scenario for getting his shitty bat out of the lineup as well as screwing up our use of speed on base for a slap single scoring offense...

Agreed 100%. If I were Yost, I'd take a copy of the article and put it right in his locker.

Anyong Bluth 07-18-2014 01:38 PM

Really good article on Gordo. Maybe if Hosmer emulated Alex a bit more he'd stop getting the Erica moniker, just like Alice got heckled for but put in the hard time to transform himself at the professional level...

Enjoy!

http://dataomaha.com/documents/alex-...-of-left-field

P.S. - if this is Q, don't care & fuk-Q


* Also notice that the 2nd best LF has 34 to Alex's 66- just shy of doubling Soriano's runs saved.
INCREDIBLE!

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MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL
Alex Gordon: A path to stardom out of left field


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Former Husker star Alex Gordon had to start over defensively, after years at third base, and he's since won three Gold Gloves as Kansas City's left fielder.


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Former Husker star Alex Gordon had to start over defensively, after years at third base, and he's since won three Gold Gloves as Kansas City's left fielder.


Humility, sweat transformed 'bust' to All-Star


By Dirk Chatelain / World-Herald staff writer


Since 2011, Alex Gordon leads the major leagues in outfield assists by a wide margin

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Gordon's 77 runs saved leads the majors.

RUN AT YOUR OWN RISK


Since 2011, Alex Gordon leads the major leagues in outfield assists by a wide margin.

60: Alex Gordon, LF, Royals
44: Gerardo Parra, RF, Diamondbacks
40: Jose Bautista, RF, Blue Jays
40: Jeff Francoeur, RF, Padres
39: Torii Hunter, RF, Tigers
37: Adam Jones, CF, Orioles
35: Jay Bruce, RF, Reds
34: Alfonso Soriano, LF, Yankees

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Alex Gordon had traded his Kansas City home for a room at Omaha's Residence Inn. He'd traded the cushy clubhouse of Kauffman Stadium for the cramped confines of Rosenblatt Stadium. He'd traded his status as baseball's next great third baseman for the label of "bust."
Now he was giving away something that predated all those luxuries — his position.
Gordon pulled into the Rosenblatt parking lot seven hours before first pitch; only the manager had arrived earlier. He grabbed his glove, walked past third base and headed for foreign territory — the outfield grass.
It was May 2010, and Gordon's place in the Royals' organization was on thin ice. At 26, he was supposed to be making All-Star teams alongside Ryan Braun and Troy Tulowitzki, players drafted behind him in 2005. Instead, he was at Rosenblatt, where a week after the Royals chose him No. 2 overall in '05, he led Nebraska to the College World Series.
In T-shirt, shorts and tennis shoes, Gordon began stretching, waiting for his next crash course on outfield play. Waiting for his instructor to arrive and test him with another question.
Runner on first, ball hit down the line. Where do you throw?
The hardest part, Gordon says, wasn't learning the rules or hitting cut-off men or catching towering pop-ups. It was the line drive. The millisecond after the ball hits the bat, when the eyes are guessing. When the brain hasn't told the feet what to do.
"It's like that — snap," Gordon says. "If you take a step in, the ball's over your head. That first reaction is definitely the hardest part."
Four summers later, we know Gordon's trajectory. We know where he landed. He's a two-time All-Star, a three-time Gold Glove outfielder. He's arguably the best defender in the major leagues and he's doing it at a position he didn't play in high school, in college or during his first five years of professional baseball.
"He's the best left fielder in baseball," teammate Bruce Chen says.
Back in 2010 — at the crack of the bat — nobody knew how this would all turn out. Not Royals General Manager Dayton Moore, who called No. 4 into the manager's office at perhaps the lowest point in Gordon's career. Not Chen, who worried Gordon's left-field experiment would cost his team games. Not even Gordon himself, who in the absence of clarity controlled the only thing he could.
His first step.
* * *

Google "Alex Gordon catch" and you'll find a string of highlights that can burn an hour of your day.
There's his crash into the wall in Detroit, robbing Victor Martinez of extra bases. There's his crash into the wall in Kansas City, stealing an out against Tampa Bay's Matt Joyce. There's his diving catch against Austin Jackson, where he plants his face in the turf — ouch. There's Gordon's favorite — his home run theft of Minnesota's Danny Valencia.
"I've always wanted to rob a ball," Gordon says.
The best parts of Gordon's reel aren't his responses, though — he casually blows a bubble as he returns to his position. No, it's seeing the look of bewilderment on the opposing hitters' faces when Gordon seizes a double, or fires a rope to second base to nail a runner.
Like, "Really? He did that?"
The hardest part of becoming an outfielder, Alex Gordon said, wasn't learning the rules or hitting cut-off men or catching towering pop-ups. It was reacting to line drives.
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
The hardest part of becoming an outfielder, Alex Gordon said, wasn't learning the rules or hitting cut-off men or catching towering pop-ups. It was reacting to line drives. "It's like that — snap," Gordon said. "If you take a step in, the ball's over your head. That first reaction is definitely the hardest part."
This is Gordon's identity. A decade after emerging as college baseball's most lethal bat, he's revered throughout baseball for his glove and his arm.
Gordon's traditional offensive numbers — .268 average, nine home runs, 44 RBIs — aren't notable, but his advanced statistics say he's a bona fide superstar. Why? Because the sabermetrics quantify Gordon's defense.
FanGraphs, a popular site on the cutting edge of advanced stats, says Gordon ranks third this season in wins above replacement, 4.5. The two men ahead of him: Mike Trout and Tulowitzki.
Since 2011, Gordon is tied for fifth in baseball at 20.1 wins above replacement, according to FanGraphs. The only players in front of him: Trout (26.4), Miguel Cabrera (24.6), Andrew McCutchen (24.2), Robinson Cano (22.1).
Since 2011:
» Gordon has saved 77 defensive runs. That leads the majors.
» His 65.3 ultimate zone rating — measuring range — is second only to Atlanta's Jason Heyward.
» His 339 plays made out of his zone is second only to Austin Jackson.
Gordon's defensive score this year, 19.7, leads the league by a wide margin (Heyward is second at 16.4.)
Prefer more traditional defensive measurements? Gordon's .994 fielding percentage since '11 — he's committed only seven errors — ranks eighth among all outfielders.
In the past 3½ years, Arizona's Gerardo Parra has 44 outfield assists, leading all major leaguers except Gordon. His total?
Sixty.
* * *

The well-documented early years weren't so impressive.
In 2009, Gordon tore his hip sliding into second base. Then he broke his thumb in 2010 spring training. With another power-hitting, left-handed No. 2 overall pick (Mike Moustakas) rising through the farm system behind him, Gordon faced pressure to get better — fast.
On April 29, 2010, Kansas City opened a four-game series at Tampa Bay, losing 11-1. Gordon made his ninth start of the season at third base. His eighth-inning error was his fourth in just 17 fielding attempts on the season — a Little League-caliber rate.
He didn't start the next day, or the next, or the next. Gordon had a feeling something was going to happen. On May 2, Dayton Moore called Gordon into the manager's office in Tampa. The Royals were 10-15; the prospect once compared to George Brett was hitting .194.
We're going to send you down to Omaha, Moore said. (That part, Gordon expected. The next part, he didn't.) And we're going to try you in left field.
"It was not a good moment in my career, to be honest with you," Gordon said.
Said Moore: "I didn't know how he would respond."
He didn't say much. That night, as the Royals flew to Chicago for another series, Gordon flew home to Kansas City. After a long talk with his wife, they made a humbling drive up I-29.
"More evidence they've given up on him," ESPN's Rob Neyer tweeted on May 3, summarizing the popular belief around baseball.
Moore hadn't drafted Gordon. What incentive did he have to give him opportunity after opportunity, especially with a younger version of Gordon — Moustakas — en route to 36 minor league home runs that same season?
Gordon was frustrated, but he hadn't given up. Before his SUV reached Omaha that Monday, he committed.
"I knew this game wasn't easy and sometimes there's obstacles you gotta face," he said Friday from the Royals' clubhouse. "That's how I took it. Something I needed to work on and get back here."
* * *

At 59, Rusty Kuntz has visited enough ballparks and seen enough players to author a baseball encyclopedia.
As a journeyman outfielder, he won a World Series ring with Detroit in 1984. In Seattle, he coached a young outfielder named Ken Griffey Jr. In Florida, he tutored a struggling slugger named Gary Sheffield. In Pittsburgh, he mentored future All-Star Nate McLouth.
But Kuntz had never seen a story quite like Alex Gordon's.
In the summer of 2010, Kuntz was a roving field instructor for the Kansas City Royals. Gordon got demoted to Omaha and Kuntz followed him. Gordon became his project.
When Kuntz arrived at Rosenblatt at noon every day, Gordon's car was already in the parking lot. Coach walked through the gate and player said, "OK, when we gonna get started? Let's go."
Kuntz grabbed his fungo bat and started hitting balls from the infield dirt to Gordon in left field. He started peppering Gordon with lessons.
How do you stay behind a fly ball so you're coming in? Answer: "You look at the top of the ball."
On a line drive, how do you know if it's in front of me or behind me? "The bill of the hat," Kuntz said. "If it stays under the bill, you know it's at you or in. If your head goes up, then you know you have to go back."
How do you keep your body from bouncing? "Open your mouth. That relaxes your jaw, which relaxes your shoulders, which relaxes your body."
Kuntz's sheet detailed about 75 outfielding rules. Snap, snap, snap.
"I would explain something once and it was done; move on," Kuntz says. "I'm Rolodexing through the pages of the outfield play, and he was just picking up stuff left and right."
Together they spent 60 to 90 minutes a day before Class AAA teammates arrived. Then Gordon went through his regular pregame routine, played a game that night. Next day at noon, he and Kuntz were back at it.
"Anytime you feel yourself going back, always throw the ball to second.
"Anytime you feel yourself going away from third or home, always throw it to second.
"Anytime you're going toward the line, go to third or home.
"Anything hit soft in front of you, go to second. Anytime it's a 3-2 count, runners going, go to second."
Gordon wasn't perfect. It seemed like every time he screwed up, Omaha's Philip Humber was on the mound. "I just felt so bad," Gordon said. But day by day he progressed. Kuntz was blown away.
It's one thing to move a player from third base to shortstop, or from center field to left. But going from dirt to grass is entirely different. And Gordon wasn't attempting it in A-ball. This was the doorstep of the major leagues.
Gordon got the call-up July 23. His first game: at Yankee Stadium against the best team in baseball. He started in right field and went 0 for 4 with a strikeout. But that wasn't the worst part. The first Yankee batter of the game, Brett Gardner, doubled to deep right field.
"I got it and kinda bobbled it a little bit and he went to third," Gordon said. "I got an error. I was like, holy (crap), are you kidding me?"
Bruce Chen doubted the position switch — and questioned bringing Gordon back so soon.
"When you're a pitcher, you don't want to get a project in the big leagues. ... I don't want him to play the outfield and misplay a couple balls and cost us the game. They're my runs. That's in your head. You're like, that's not really gonna work."
It did. Following his bobble at Yankee Stadium, Gordon made only two errors the rest of the season.
Then he got good.
* * *

Around Kauffman Stadium, Gordon's pregame regimen is renowned. During batting practice, the Royals are instructed to "power shag" balls. When a teammate hits a ball, you play it live.
Gordon has raised the standard, staying in the outfield for two hitting groups instead of one. It's 30 minutes of nonstop fielding work. It got so intense that manager Ned Yost called Gordon into his office and ordered him not to power shag for two consecutive groups.
"162 days, Gordy, you're gonna run out of gas."
It got so intense that the Royals recorded Gordon power shagging spring training, so they could use it as an instructional tool for minor leaguers. "When we talk about power shagging, boys, this is what it looks like," Kuntz says. "You wanna wear the gold? This is how you attain the gold, right here."
Said Royals pitcher Danny Duffy: "He's the hardest worker I've ever met in my life. There's not a close second."
In 2011, Gordon led the majors with 20 outfield assists. His arm accuracy seemed to stun base runners who underestimated him. In late October, less than 18 months after his meeting with Moore and then-manager Trey Hillman in Tampa, Gordon got a call from his agent: He'd won a Gold Glove.
"I just had a smile the whole day," he said.
Gordon earned another Gold Glove in 2012, then another last year.
Now he's learned all the tricks. How to jump sideways at the warning track so you can see the wall and the ball. How to one-hop a throw to maximize accuracy and help the infielder receive the ball.
"You can put another guy who's faster with a better arm out there," Chen said. "I don't think he's going to make the plays and throws that Alex does. He just knows the field."
The more Gordon learned, the more his infield skills translated to outfield. His precise footwork and quick release gave base runners fits.
“You can put another guy who's faster with a better arm out there. I don't think he's going to make the plays and throws that Alex does. He just knows the field.”
— Royals pitcher Bruce Chen

When Gordon chases a ball rolling down the line, grabs it backhanded and fires to second to nail a runner — ask Albert Pujols — he looks like a third baseman again.
Gordon says the greatest advantage is on balls hit in front of him. He's more comfortable charging than the typical left fielder.
"He's on the ball so fast that the third-base coach (throws up the stop sign)," Kuntz says. "Before the runner even gets to third, Gordy's already got the ball. He gets frustrated sometimes because the outfield assists aren't that abundant anymore, but it's due to the respect. He's got the reputation.
"Everybody in baseball just rants and raves. He just blows it off like, 'Ehh, that's what I'm supposed to do.' But everybody in my circle, they're just like, 'Wow, what's it like to have that right there?' "
According to the advanced metrics, the Royals are by far the best defensive team in the American League. Gordon sets the tone.
Take a guy like Lorenzo Cain, Kuntz says. He sees Gordon's work ethic and realizes what it takes. "He says, 'I'm a smart guy, I can watch that. I can do that.' "
Kuntz doesn't remember the last time he even looked at left field — he knows Gordon has it covered.
"To tell you the truth, he's been around for four years now and there will be times when I go up — because I'm getting old and I can't remember (crap) — I go, 'JD Martinez, what did we do with him last time?' "
Gordon answers: The corners were on the line; the center fielder was straight up covering the gaps.
"That's right!" Kuntz says. "So he knows not only what he's supposed to be doing, but also what the other guys are supposed to be doing.
"Or he'll run in and he'll have that look on his face and I'll go, 'What's up?' He'll go, 'Why are we playing him over there again? He's not trying to go that way.'"
Kuntz's reply: "At least I'm smart enough as a coach to listen."
* * *

Tuesday night in Minneapolis, Gordon will hear his name announced to an audience of more than 10 million TV viewers. He won't play in the All-Star game because of an injured wrist. Too bad, because every Midsummer Classic needs a web gem.
The casual baseball fan may not recognize Gordon or his talent. That's the plight of playing in a small market. But his peers selected him as an All-Star for a reason.
He's 30 years old and he isn't baseball's next great third baseman. Nor is he a bust. Gordon is something different, something new. Harder to label, but easier to appreciate.
Could anybody have seen this coming when he drove up I-29 four summers ago and moved into a Residence Inn? No.
But Gordon kept showing up early at Rosenblatt. He kept taking the empty field. And when he could've stopped at third base, he kept walking.
Contact the writer:
402-649-1461, dirk.chatelain@owh.com, twitter.com/dirkchatelain

WhawhaWhat 07-18-2014 01:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A New England Lineup: Cain 8, Infante 4, Hosmer 3, Perez 2, Gordon 7, Butler DH, Moustakas 5, Escobar 6, Aoki 9, Shields 1. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/royals?src=hash">#royals</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/490219023162806272">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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blake5676 07-18-2014 01:43 PM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A New England Lineup: Cain 8, Infante 4, Hosmer 3, Perez 2, Gordon 7, Butler DH, Moustakas 5, Escobar 6, Aoki 9, Shields 1. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/royals?src=hash">#royals</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/490219023162806272">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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So glad to have some baseball back! Was a rough 4 nights with no boys in blue, even if they do irritate the shit out of me the majority of the time.

Anyong Bluth 07-18-2014 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blake5676 (Post 10753151)
So glad to have some baseball back! Was a rough 4 nights with no boys in blue, even if they do irritate the shit out of me the majority of the time.

Exactly how I felt, and last night I was ticked thinking we had a game because I got a Google Now alert for some reason a day early.

WilliamTheIrish 07-18-2014 05:01 PM

Santa was pretty good. But the REAL RFGA icon was a guy named "The Top Cat". Older black man, whose real name I don't think I ever knew.

In those days right before the first pitch the RFGA would chant the names of the outfield (AC,AC,,AC then AO, AO, AO and WILLIE, WIIIIILLLLIE) until they acknowledged the crowd.

The Top Cat was always getting freebies from the players. One night he got AO's cap and spikes. I talked to Willie Wilson about TTC when I went to spring training a few seasons back. He laughed and we traded stories and then he told me the Top Cat had passed away.

RFGA had the best beer men also. Clem and Darcy. Both guys worked day jobs at Standard Oil back then and hustled "COLD BEER" (PBR in glass bottles) for 2$ at night and on weekends. They would let us in the beer locker on really hot days before the game.

Its kind of scary to talk about these guys because I was teen when I met them. Them leaving the earth kind of makes me think of my own mortality.

Sure-Oz 07-19-2014 10:50 AM

@Ken_Rosenthal: #Pirates, #Royals among teams that scouted #Padres’ Kennedy last night. Pirates looking for SP and RP. Royals keeping all options open.

Sure-Oz 07-19-2014 10:51 AM

More pitching!!! Cause that helps the albatross in RF and 3B

duncan_idaho 07-19-2014 11:06 AM

I wanted them to get in on Kennedy in the offseason, as I'm sure a few people remember.

He's having a pretty good year in San Diego and would be a solid addition for KC.

I think it makes sense for KC to look at another pitcher, if that's where the market is. Yes, the hitting needs help, desperately. But it's looking more and more like the bats that are available are not going to be major upgrades, and the pitching staff isn't bulletproof. With Zimmer now out of the plans for this year, you've got two young and very inexperienced SPs in Duffy and Ventura who might not be available for all of September. Guthrie has struggled a bit of late, and Vargas is currently hurt. More rotation depth wouldn't be a bad thing.

Kennedy is also controlled for one more year, so you're looking at someone who can potentially help fill Shields rotation spot next year, too.

ChiefsCountry 07-19-2014 11:18 AM

I hate to quote him, because he is a pompous ass but I was listening to Kevin Slaten in St. Louis and he said if you have pitching and defense you are always in it. I know we need a big bat but if you pitch well and defend well, we will be in it.

Why Not? 07-19-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10754718)
I hate to quote him, because he is a pompous ass but I was listening to Kevin Slaten in St. Louis and he said if you have pitching and defense you are always in it. I know we need a big bat but if you pitch well and defend well, we will be in it.

Meh. We pitch well and defend great and we're in it all right...in the .500 race

tk13 07-19-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10754718)
I hate to quote him, because he is a pompous ass but I was listening to Kevin Slaten in St. Louis and he said if you have pitching and defense you are always in it. I know we need a big bat but if you pitch well and defend well, we will be in it.

There's no doubt about that. Just look at the last two years of Royals baseball, and compare it to those years we had Damon/Dye/Beltran/Sweeney and couldn't even post a winning record.

WhawhaWhat 07-19-2014 02:15 PM

Cain gets the day off today.

LoneWolf 07-19-2014 02:20 PM

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Cain gets the day off today.

Well, he has played 1 game in the last 6 days. He's probably tired. :rolleyes:

TLO 07-19-2014 02:21 PM

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Cain gets the day off today.

Does that mean Ibanez is starting? :mad:

WhawhaWhat 07-19-2014 02:22 PM

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Does that mean Ibanez is starting? :mad:

Gordon, Dyson, Aoki.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>After The Damage Lineup: Dyson 8, Infante 4, Hosmer 3, Perez 2, Gordon 7, Butler DH, Moustakas 5, Aoki 9, Escobar 6, Duffy 1. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/royals?src=hash">#royals</a></p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/490578161282060289">July 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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